4-2-2-2 "Il Devasto"

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Jimmy_x_ said:
@ Darzon. does your version of devasto score as many goals as Satorox's versions?

@Anyone. Is crags version of sidangers version better?
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I took sidangers version. Put my defensive line on 10 notches. And now im sitting 1st in Premier League with Wigan.
Have played 7 games so far and rodallega is my top scorer. Must say its a beast. My best win are over Villa, 4-1 at DW stadium.
And a 1-2 win away against Tottenham.
My transfers in are:
Masilela, Carcela(sick!!), Gabriel Silva, Stevie May and Steven Whittaker.

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pilmalm said:
I have James McCarthy on the rigth MC and in my opinion hes underperforming as the more playmakin MC.
What PPM have you used on your MCR.
Very grateful for your time(H)

cheers
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Mine has 'plays killer balls often' and 'dictates tempo'

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pilmalm said:
I took sidangers version. Put my defensive line on 10 notches. And now im sitting 1st in Premier League with Wigan.
Have played 7 games so far and rodallega is my top scorer. Must say its a beast. My best win are over Villa, 4-1 at DW stadium.
And a 1-2 win away against Tottenham.
My transfers in are:
Masilela, Carcela(sick!!), Gabriel Silva, Stevie May and Steven Whittaker.

EDIT:
First season
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My version is only Satorax's 11.3 version with corners attacking changed and the MC roles switched. I think changing the defensive line if you don't have top and quick defenders might be a good option.
 
Well, i am 3/4 the way through season 4. I have already won League Cup (easy), through the the Quarters of FA Cup, Quarters of Euro Cup and sitting pretty in third of Prem, gonna chase Man City and Chelsea to second I hope, at least. Last season I finished 5th, won League Cup, out of semi of Euro on Goal Difference.

My tactic isn't quite as attacking as the originals but by 'eck it works, you have to sacrifice some of the attacking nature of the original in big leagues or you will just get cut apart. This holds it's own against the bigger teams, and rips apart the smaller sides...

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Check out my striker's performance in the season after the one I posted.

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Then he breaks his leg and is out for 5 to 6 months. Was really looking forward to how many goals he could get in the league.
 
Dazron said:
Well, i am 3/4 the way through season 4. I have already won League Cup (easy), through the the Quarters of FA Cup, Quarters of Euro Cup and sitting pretty in third of Prem, gonna chase Man City and Chelsea to second I hope, at least. Last season I finished 5th, won League Cup, out of semi of Euro on Goal Difference.

My tactic isn't quite as attacking as the originals but by 'eck it works, you have to sacrifice some of the attacking nature of the original in big leagues or you will just get cut apart. This holds it's own against the bigger teams, and rips apart the smaller sides...
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Could you post a link for yours please Dazron, have another manager in my save and have just taken over Aston Villa but they don't have the players for the original yet.
 
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Here is my Tactic - this is the more attacking one out of the two I switch between - sometimes I tick use playmaker and pick my MCR (Delph) depending if i'm getting enough possession / not winning the midfield.
 
NP I hope you can get it working for you...

I might add that I don't regard any of these tactics as 'plug and play' - mine is tailored to my starting 11, especially in regard to their footedness. I usually work out roughly speaking which wing a winger / forward plays best in ( usually in friendlies ) and then tailor the movement required to them - either moving into channels and / or cutting inside. This is also the case with your forwards. I strongly advise working out your front 4's footedness and work out how to achieve cohesive movement that works - this takes watching the games and tweaking!

In general, for roles I look to get:

STR: Strong, Fast young powerful poacher ( Example: Sanogo / Babacar ) - right footed, moving into channels. Lots of people just go for raw speed in a poacher but I think Balance and Strength is equally as important.

STL: Mecurial, Creative, flair 'false 9' - pulling the strings, coming deep, pulling defenders out of position, lots of his mazy runs just end in a through ball, but if one goes well, he goes it alone and scores a wonder goal. (Example Love / Messi / Rooney). I like a bit of both footed here, Reasonable at least in Left Foot. Dribbling is a key overlooked stat, and decisions / creativity / agility. I put this player's wide movement on 'Normal' as I want them to do what-ever they want to!

AMR / AML: Fast, Flair, Strong, bit of aggression is good as they have to want to chase back. I like my wingers to move into channels ideally so I like the foot of the wing they're on to be their preferred one. The AML is the one I tailor to my STL, because if the STL can't use his left peg I make him cut inside, and sometimes I have the AML cut inside, so in that instance I might make him hug the touchline...

Can you see what I mean about tailoring the tactic to your players, especially in regard to their footedness / movement.

You really can't overlook footedness, do it at your peril!

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Also I have found that some players don't really pull of the false 9 thing in the STL position, they just 'poach' - I have been known to train them into AMC and stick them there, it does work. Again, depends on the players you have / buy.
 
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cragswfc said:
do you go for ppm for your strikers???
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He has 'places shots' and 'likes to beat offside trap'. I'm considering giving him the dribble through centre and run with ball often ones as well.

My support striker on the left is a converted winger who has 'looks for pass rather than attempting to score'.

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sidanger said:
He has 'places shots' and 'likes to beat offside trap'. I'm considering giving him the dribble through centre and run with ball often ones as well.
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yeah thats what i go for never thought about through middle tho. my new striker a pain wont do them :(
 
Dazron said:
NP I hope you can get it working for you...

I might add that I don't regard any of these tactics as 'plug and play' - mine is tailored to my starting 11, especially in regard to their footedness. I usually work out roughly speaking which wing a winger / forward plays best in ( usually in friendlies ) and then tailor the movement required to them - either moving into channels and / or cutting inside. This is also the case with your forwards. I strongly advise working out your front 4's footedness and work out how to achieve cohesive movement that works - this takes watching the games and tweaking!

In general, for roles I look to get:

STR: Strong, Fast young powerful poacher ( Example: Sanogo / Babacar ) - right footed, moving into channels. Lots of people just go for raw speed in a poacher but I think Balance and Strength is equally as important.

STL: Mecurial, Creative, flair 'false 9' - pulling the strings, coming deep, pulling defenders out of position, lots of his mazy runs just end in a through ball, but if one goes well, he goes it alone and scores a wonder goal. (Example Love / Messi / Rooney). I like a bit of both footed here, Reasonable at least in Left Foot. Dribbling is a key overlooked stat, and decisions / creativity / agility. I put this player's wide movement on 'Normal' as I want them to do what-ever they want to!

AMR / AML: Fast, Flair, Strong, bit of aggression is good as they have to want to chase back. I like my wingers to move into channels ideally so I like the foot of the wing they're on to be their preferred one. The AML is the one I tailor to my STL, because if the STL can't use his left peg I make him cut inside, and sometimes I have the AML cut inside, so in that instance I might make him hug the touchline...

Can you see what I mean about tailoring the tactic to your players, especially in regard to their footedness / movement.

You really can't overlook footedness, do it at your peril!

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Also I have found that some players don't really pull of the false 9 thing in the STL position, they just 'poach' - I have been known to train them into AMC and stick them there, it does work. Again, depends on the players you have / buy.
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The tactic on the link you posted it seems that the left sided striker is the poacher, was this one you made for a left footed poacher you had? If so should I just switch the roles?
 
yes you're right I swapped roles for Vagner Love

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Switch roles for the other way around sir just swap players
 
I read the post by the OP and also read the 2 last pages of this thread and I have to say I am slightly confused. So if some kind soul could take 2 min and answer my questions regarding the tactic I'd sincerely appreciate it.

- Are the wingers inside forwards whom cut inside and play through balls etc to the strikers or are they traditional wingers who cross from the by line?
- Are the two forwards poacher type of guys (Small, good pace and acceleration, dribbling, off the ball, finishing - Think vaclav kadlec, david villa, defoe - Or are they big target men who score most of their goal by headers from crosses by the wingers?
- Seemingly there are several versions of this tactic or at least modified versions - Is the original one in the OP good to go with or are there better ones out there? (if so, please link)
- In the OP post he explains what stats each position should have but I don't really understand what he's saying and I don't understand the abbreviation he uses for the positions - FR and FS I know are the forwards but which one of them is which? What is WSG? What type of midfielders are there? Both creative ones with passing, creativity, flair etc or a ball winning midfielder?

Really appreciate some answers as I look to swap tactic after my current season and I'd like to try this one out.
 
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they war wingers who play thorough balls they are not inside forwards so lennon bales type etc are really good. the right striker is a more goalscorer sso he must be quick the left if a false 9 type but some times plays on the shoulder like the right striker so the right striker David villa type. left st is Rooney. i use hard working mids like Fletcher on the right on the left a box to box/ deep-playmaker huddleston, cesc etc

now for the links every 1 differant so it would be hard to say which is the best

just not loosing in prem @ min :)
 
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Ghoruz said:
I read the post by the OP and also read the 2 last pages of this thread and I have to say I am slightly confused. So if some kind soul could take 2 min and answer my questions regarding the tactic I'd sincerely appreciate it.

- Are the wingers inside forwards whom cut inside and play through balls etc to the strikers or are they traditional wingers who cross from the by line?
- Are the two forwards poacher type of guys (Small, good pace and acceleration, dribbling, off the ball, finishing - Think vaclav kadlec, david villa, defoe - Or are they big target men who score most of their goal by headers from crosses by the wingers?
- Seemingly there are several versions of this tactic or at least modified versions - Is the original one in the OP good to go with or are there better ones out there? (if so, please link)
- In the OP post he explains what stats each position should have but I don't really understand what he's saying and I don't understand the abbreviation he uses for the positions - FR and FS I know are the forwards but which one of them is which? What is WSG? What type of midfielders are there? Both creative ones with passing, creativity, flair etc or a ball winning midfielder?

Really appreciate some answers as I look to swap tactic after my current season and I'd like to try this one out.
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When I use it i have traditional wingers although both my first choice wingers are comforable on either foot.

The right sided striker in the original tactic is the poacher, the left sided striker is more of a deep lying forward who will often provide assists for the striker. I always look for passing, creativity and decisions for the left striker role, I've found that crossing is nice if you have a left footer there as he often pulls wide and crosses to the poacher.

I use the original 11.3 tactic in the OP but with the corners tweaked and the midfielders roles switched (this is just because I wanted my right footed, most attacking midfielder on the right). All the different tactics posted seem to work well with different teams/players, guess it depends what roles your players are suited too.

In the original tactic the left sided MC is more defensive and the ride sided MC more attacking and a player maker of sorts so I look for passing, creativity and decisions for the RMC and tackling, workrate, teamwork for the LMC. I also think that pace is must at the back, I always look for at least 15 for both pace and acceleration for both CBs.

I also use the following PPMs for some positions.
Poacher (right side striker) beat offside trap and place shots
Deeper lying forward (left side striker) look for pass instead of shot and try killer passes
Wingers look for pass instead of shot, get foward when possible, run with ball, try killer passes (depending on passing/creativity/decisions)
RMC try killer passes, dictate tempo
 
sidanger said:
When I use it i have traditional wingers although both my first choice wingers are comforable on either foot.

The right sided striker in the original tactic is the poacher, the left sided striker is more of a deep lying forward who will often provide assists for the striker. I always look for passing, creativity and decisions for the left striker role, I've found that crossing is nice if you have a left footer there as he often pulls wide and crosses to the poacher.

I use the original 11.3 tactic in the OP but with the corners tweaked and the midfielders roles switched (this is just because I wanted my right footed, most attacking midfielder on the right). All the different tactics posted seem to work well with different teams/players, guess it depends what roles your players are suited too.

In the original tactic the left sided MC is more defensive and the ride sided MC more attacking and a player maker of sorts so I look for passing, creativity and decisions for the RMC and tackling, workrate, teamwork for the LMC. I also think that pace is must at the back, I always look for at least 15 for both pace and acceleration for both CBs.

I also use the following PPMs for some positions.
Poacher (right side striker) beat offside trap and place shots
Deeper lying forward (left side striker) look for pass instead of shot and try killer passes
Wingers look for pass instead of shot, get foward when possible, run with ball, try killer passes (depending on passing/creativity/decisions)
RMC try killer passes, dictate tempo
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Very much appreciated. Just a question though, how does it work out to have relatively small strikers with traditional wingers? Say your right striker, which is a poacher, is either Vaclav Kadlec or David Villa, they are both small and in most cases all poachers are small.

The left striker almost sounds like a messi / rooney type to me, which again are not especially tall, which mean both your forwards are small.

It just seems a bit weird to me using traditional wingers if you don't have a big tall forward or perhaps that is just me? How are they playing in this tactic, do they cross most of the time from the byline or? Do they assist a lot?

Anyway, thanks for your reply once again and would love some more info from you.
 
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