4-2-2-2 "Il Devasto"

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Ghoruz said:
Very much appreciated. Just a question though, how does it work out to have relatively small strikers with traditional wingers? Say your right striker, which is a poacher, is either Vaclav Kadlec or David Villa, they are both small and in most cases all poachers are small.

The left striker almost sounds like a messi / rooney type to me, which again are not especially tall, which mean both your forwards are small.

It just seems a bit weird to me using traditional wingers if you don't have a big tall forward or perhaps that is just me? How are they playing in this tactic, do they cross most of the time from the byline or? Do they assist a lot?

Anyway, thanks for your reply once again and would love some more info from you.
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They seem to assist quite a lot from either crosses or through balls, the left striker gets most assists in this formation I think. Crosses can still be effective even with a small striker as he can get inbetween the defenders and still head or the crosses can be low across the back of the defence which seems to happen quite a lot with this formation.

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mostostal111 said:
Hello Everybody
Which taktics is the best for patch 11.3
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Er... how can you really answer that?? I mean, come on. There are about 10 approaches that you can make work fantastically well off the top of my head. Any good, well thought out and well executed Tactic can be amazing in 11.3 right?? Plus, it all depends on the side and players, surely??

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@ Ghoruz In my opinion, the AMR and AML in the original Il Devasto (which was a classic tactic, so the role descriptions are arguable only from their setup) were really Advanced Playmakers. They were set to track back and really help dictate the high tempo / high defensive line, and they moved into channels, mostly putting in through balls, and sometimes shooting. They certainly weren't out and out wingers, and not the traditional inside forward either.

And the nature of the Tactic means the ball is played quickly on the floor - it's not massively a crossing system, even though it's got wide players. That said, I like my STR (the poacher) to not just be a speed merchant, I like him strong and with good balance, with passable aerial ability (players that fit this bill: Babacar / Sanogo).
 
i think that is safe to say that this is the best tactic for 11.3 patch! look at your results OMG!
 
Ronaldo

Is this normal? Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast on this tactic. Never experienced this before, he plays striker beside Higuain. I havent signed any new players only some youngstars. Ive been Real Madrid before and i played the 4-2-3-1. Then he scored about 20-25 goals but this is beyond sick. Dont you guys think?
- 18 Games in La Liga 45 Goals
- TOTAL: 22 Games and 55 Goals
And im only in january
 
New77Era said:
Is this normal? Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast on this tactic. Never experienced this before, he plays striker beside Higuain. I havent signed any new players only some youngstars. Ive been Real Madrid before and i played the 4-2-3-1. Then he scored about 20-25 goals but this is beyond sick. Dont you guys think?
- 18 Games in La Liga 45 Goals
- TOTAL: 22 Games and 55 Goals
And im only in january
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What version?
 
New77Era said:
Is this normal? Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast on this tactic. Never experienced this before, he plays striker beside Higuain. I havent signed any new players only some youngstars. Ive been Real Madrid before and i played the 4-2-3-1. Then he scored about 20-25 goals but this is beyond sick. Dont you guys think?
- 18 Games in La Liga 45 Goals
- TOTAL: 22 Games and 55 Goals
And im only in january
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With average teams this tactic is brilliant - with great teams, it's sick. End of.

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maurinhorebelo said:
which tactic is best? dazron, crags or sidanger's version?
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'best'? They're all good mate. They're all variations on a theme at the end of the day. Any of them will work for you - they all feature minor tweaks. Go grab any of them and fine tune them to your team. They've all been tweaked to not be so leaky defensively that's the main issue...
 
Dazron said:
Er... how can you really answer that?? I mean, come on. There are about 10 approaches that you can make work fantastically well off the top of my head. Any good, well thought out and well executed Tactic can be amazing in 11.3 right?? Plus, it all depends on the side and players, surely??

I mean, that tactic this site works best at the 11.3 patch

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@ Ghoruz In my opinion, the AMR and AML in the original Il Devasto (which was a classic tactic, so the role descriptions are arguable only from their setup) were really Advanced Playmakers. They were set to track back and really help dictate the high tempo / high defensive line, and they moved into channels, mostly putting in through balls, and sometimes shooting. They certainly weren't out and out wingers, and not the traditional inside forward either.

And the nature of the Tactic means the ball is played quickly on the floor - it's not massively a crossing system, even though it's got wide players. That said, I like my STR (the poacher) to not just be a speed merchant, I like him strong and with good balance, with passable aerial ability (players that fit this bill: Babacar / Sanogo).
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sidanger said:
11.3 with attacking corners tweaked and midfield roles switched.
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midfield roles switched. i do not understand. you mean you switch midfield roles as in?

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New77Era said:
Is this normal? Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast on this tactic. Never experienced this before, he plays striker beside Higuain. I havent signed any new players only some youngstars. Ive been Real Madrid before and i played the 4-2-3-1. Then he scored about 20-25 goals but this is beyond sick. Dont you guys think?
- 18 Games in La Liga 45 Goals
- TOTAL: 22 Games and 55 Goals
And im only in january
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which version of 11.3 tactic? dazron, crags or sidanger's version? which one?
 
New77Era said:
Is this normal? Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast on this tactic. Never experienced this before, he plays striker beside Higuain. I havent signed any new players only some youngstars. Ive been Real Madrid before and i played the 4-2-3-1. Then he scored about 20-25 goals but this is beyond sick. Dont you guys think?
- 18 Games in La Liga 45 Goals
- TOTAL: 22 Games and 55 Goals
And im only in january
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Version tactic ? Trainings you use ? SOrry my english --'
 
Decided to load up a new save with AIK, media prediction of 8th ( starting date:season 2011 feb) and use the CRAGSWFC version. I did make some tweaks to the tactic as i did not have a deep coming player to use in the FCleft spot. Therefor, I lowered his mentality with 30 % and made him hold on to the ball and let him have no runs from deep as I wanted to use him as pure linkman. I also pushed up the d-line when I played on the road.

All CCCs have been really, really, clear cut chances and with an extreme high convertion rate( malmö game being the exeption), the players having the ball on his correct foot, being in balance and not being under too much pressure

So far, it looks good yeah :D ( 3-0, 3-0, 3-0, 7-0, 7-0, 8-1) 6-0-0, 33-1
 
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