4-2-3-1 Wingers Paradise , Bringing back the lone striker(25+goals), 14.3.1
Dominant 4-2-3-1, a Winger's paradise, i have never had wingers score and assist so much.
(If anyone is interested I have a 4-2-4 that need testing, tactic and some results here)
Use new tactics from #263, and #268 for instructions to use them. (The WP!! tactic initially on 263 was the wrong tweak, please re-download. I have attached the tac file to this OP)
FAQ: Looks like this was needed since i have been asked the same questions repeatedly
1: Required foot for Wingers-- Use right foot for AMR and left for AML as they will mostly go wide rather than cutting inside but its alright to use the other if they have a decent weak foot (required foot for the positions), they will still score a lot but will have more assists if required foot is strong.
2: Which tactic to use when-- There are 3 tactics if you download the ones from the links above. (WP!!, WP!! counter and Alt.V3) Have all 3 tactics in your tactic slots and use accordingly. WP!! is the base tactic and should be used at all times both home and away, the others are for special situations.
Use WP!! counter when your severe underdogs away or want to grind out a result against a big team (When using a much weaker team home/away). If your team can match up with the opposition the base tactic should do fine away, you can also use counter at the end of the match to preserve your lead.
Use V3 on your own observation (opposition scouting), this is tactic to counter act the long ball counter attacking style of weaker teams or teams that play direct. This should only be used against much weaker teams when you expect them to sit back and wait for counter. Sometimes I start with base tactic and switch to V3 if base tactic is ineffective against these teams.
If You have decent strong team competing for European places or the title use all 3 tactics accordingly with the situations mentioned above.
If you have an underdog or newly promoted team i would suggest sticking to just the counter tactic and maybe use WP!! at home against weaker teams in the division or if you like the shape of counter tac, change mentality to control against the weaker teams, V3 is not needed as most teams will look to attack you.
3: Should I change Mentality-- If a single goal down wait till HT for team talk (aggrsv-Unhappy) and change mentality to overload to get the goal back. Or if its 0-0 at halftime in a match u should be winning easily, do the same. If at home change back to standard after taking the lead, if away change back after equalizing (when playing against strong teams, against weaker opposition i leave it at overload till i take the lead and sometimes leave it be if i keep dominating). IF losing by 2 or more (highly unlikely) change to overload immediately. This is for both base tactic and V3.
4: The use of OI's--2 of the 3 tactics have set OIs so dont let your assistant handle them. While the Counter tac has no OIs, There is a valid reason for this. Upon testing a lot of tactics, both mine and from this forum, i noticed that Using OIs are useful to nullify specific players in the Opposition but it comes with a price. OIs like Tight Marking or Closing down on specific players result in the team breaking its shape since for some reason it overrules other instructions.
The aim of WP! Counter is to absorb pressure and be stubborn at the back while taking its chances on the counter and maybe nick in a goal from set pieces. The players are not given the freedom to move from their positions to close down or mark specific players, thus no OIs. You should notice games with the counter tac against big teams, your team will not have a higher possession and at times not even the most shots or chances but you can still win as the team plays as a unit and never breaks its shape, somewhat like how the AI cheats us when we dominate against weak teams and lose
.
5: Training for the new tactics--Training remains the same as before (mentioned below) for the new tactics, no changes required. And as for Individual training, I usually just train them for the roles they will play in the tactic, but Most importantly make sure they are happy/content with their training schedule. Having an unhappy player will hinder his developement.
6: Any PPMs for players-- I do not really train PPMs if i see that the players are performing in their natural state (existing PPMs or not). There are still some PPMs that i prefer the attacking players have as these result in much more goals.
For ST: Likes to Lob Keeper
For Wingers: Places shot/Likes to lob keeper
For AMC: Places shots/ Comes deep to get ball/ Plays one-twos
RESULTS WITH THE NEW VERSION
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(This is an online game where my mate is fiorentina)
As you can See the results got better as the players developed as I have a very young team made up of mostly wonderkids.
Did not include earlier seasons as they were using the first version of this tactic. First season went decent (suffered due to injuries to key players), Second season finished 2nd where Juve had 93points and 13 conceded, won 3rd season.
The team-->View attachment 356598
Top Performers and Recommended Players:
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Inspiration for tactic: I have always loved the 4-2-3-1 from the days of FM08, and in FM13 i had what i would call the best tactic in my history of FM (7 UCL finals, 6 Victories, 7 league titles in 8 seasons with Arsenal), but in this FM i could no longer achieved such feats. So i was adamant to find a tactic to keep my beloved 4-2-3-1. Also from countless browsing on the site i have noticed that people seem to complain a lot about the lone striker and have even adopted striker-less formations, as big lover of the game and having played myself as a striker i could not just accept this. I always hated striker-less formations.So i wanted to bring the days of the loan striker. This is what i have come up with, i wont say its plug'n'play as i do not believe any tactic is nor that it will guarantee you success, but the quality of football and goals scored will make you love FM again.
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TACTIC HAS SET OI'S.. SO DON'T LET ASSISTANT HANDLE
Set-pieces: I use Danilo corner tactic as its a beautiful how the goals happen (advantageous if u have CMs with good long shots) but the defensive set-pieces were too leaky, so i changed them. (Use CAM for corners or LB/RB if they have high corner stat, example-baines)
Training: Pre-season Fitness-Very High and Tactics(50%)
Season- Team Cohesion-High and Def.Positioning(30%)
Once you achieve team cohesion of very strong understanding, change match training to balanced (average).
Train all players for their individual roles in the tactics, but make sure that they are happy/content with their training schedule. Adjust workload accordingly.
I think team talks is the most neglected part of a tactics ability. I go into very extensive detail for team talks, combining a team talk with individual team talks for defense/mid/strikers. Morale plays a big part in this game than anything else i have noticed, so extensive man management is required to achieve success.My talks depend on whether i am playing at home/away or coming of a winning streak or a big loss. Most of the times its either Assertive or Aggressive (I like to assert my dominance in the changing room
).
For Home:
Pre-Match: If coming of a winning streak- Carry on from last match (Assrt)
If clear favourites or evens- Expect a win (Assrt)
when underdogs- Nobody fancies us (Only if option available, Assrt)
And Individual talks (only prematch): for defence- Hav faith(passnt), Mid- have faith (assrt), Attc-Have faith(assrt)
HT: Winning by a goal or less -Not happy(Assrt)
If losing- Not happy (Aggrs)
Winning but 2 goals but player ratings average below 7 (Not happy- Assrt)
Winning by 2 goals or more and player ratings fairly high on average 7 and above -Very Happy(Pssnt)
Full Time: IF win by 2 or more regardless of player ratings- Very pleased (Passionate)
Win by 1 goal when favourites- bit of a let off(Assrt)
draw or loss- Unhappy (Aggrs)
Its pretty much the same Away, except i praise at half time and full time if leading by 1 goal and win. (passionate if big win and calm if 1-0)
Also if u lose as underdogs with (Nobody fancies us prematch)- give dont look back at result (assrt)
NOTE: Never give seek revenge.. it will show a great boost in morale, but trust me it never works. well atleast in 14.3.1 it doesnt.
Dominant 4-2-3-1, a Winger's paradise, i have never had wingers score and assist so much.
(If anyone is interested I have a 4-2-4 that need testing, tactic and some results here)
Use new tactics from #263, and #268 for instructions to use them. (The WP!! tactic initially on 263 was the wrong tweak, please re-download. I have attached the tac file to this OP)
FAQ: Looks like this was needed since i have been asked the same questions repeatedly
1: Required foot for Wingers-- Use right foot for AMR and left for AML as they will mostly go wide rather than cutting inside but its alright to use the other if they have a decent weak foot (required foot for the positions), they will still score a lot but will have more assists if required foot is strong.
2: Which tactic to use when-- There are 3 tactics if you download the ones from the links above. (WP!!, WP!! counter and Alt.V3) Have all 3 tactics in your tactic slots and use accordingly. WP!! is the base tactic and should be used at all times both home and away, the others are for special situations.
Use WP!! counter when your severe underdogs away or want to grind out a result against a big team (When using a much weaker team home/away). If your team can match up with the opposition the base tactic should do fine away, you can also use counter at the end of the match to preserve your lead.
Use V3 on your own observation (opposition scouting), this is tactic to counter act the long ball counter attacking style of weaker teams or teams that play direct. This should only be used against much weaker teams when you expect them to sit back and wait for counter. Sometimes I start with base tactic and switch to V3 if base tactic is ineffective against these teams.
If You have decent strong team competing for European places or the title use all 3 tactics accordingly with the situations mentioned above.
If you have an underdog or newly promoted team i would suggest sticking to just the counter tactic and maybe use WP!! at home against weaker teams in the division or if you like the shape of counter tac, change mentality to control against the weaker teams, V3 is not needed as most teams will look to attack you.
3: Should I change Mentality-- If a single goal down wait till HT for team talk (aggrsv-Unhappy) and change mentality to overload to get the goal back. Or if its 0-0 at halftime in a match u should be winning easily, do the same. If at home change back to standard after taking the lead, if away change back after equalizing (when playing against strong teams, against weaker opposition i leave it at overload till i take the lead and sometimes leave it be if i keep dominating). IF losing by 2 or more (highly unlikely) change to overload immediately. This is for both base tactic and V3.
4: The use of OI's--2 of the 3 tactics have set OIs so dont let your assistant handle them. While the Counter tac has no OIs, There is a valid reason for this. Upon testing a lot of tactics, both mine and from this forum, i noticed that Using OIs are useful to nullify specific players in the Opposition but it comes with a price. OIs like Tight Marking or Closing down on specific players result in the team breaking its shape since for some reason it overrules other instructions.
The aim of WP! Counter is to absorb pressure and be stubborn at the back while taking its chances on the counter and maybe nick in a goal from set pieces. The players are not given the freedom to move from their positions to close down or mark specific players, thus no OIs. You should notice games with the counter tac against big teams, your team will not have a higher possession and at times not even the most shots or chances but you can still win as the team plays as a unit and never breaks its shape, somewhat like how the AI cheats us when we dominate against weak teams and lose
5: Training for the new tactics--Training remains the same as before (mentioned below) for the new tactics, no changes required. And as for Individual training, I usually just train them for the roles they will play in the tactic, but Most importantly make sure they are happy/content with their training schedule. Having an unhappy player will hinder his developement.
6: Any PPMs for players-- I do not really train PPMs if i see that the players are performing in their natural state (existing PPMs or not). There are still some PPMs that i prefer the attacking players have as these result in much more goals.
For ST: Likes to Lob Keeper
For Wingers: Places shot/Likes to lob keeper
For AMC: Places shots/ Comes deep to get ball/ Plays one-twos
RESULTS WITH THE NEW VERSION
View attachment 356601View attachment 356600View attachment 356599
(This is an online game where my mate is fiorentina)
As you can See the results got better as the players developed as I have a very young team made up of mostly wonderkids.
Did not include earlier seasons as they were using the first version of this tactic. First season went decent (suffered due to injuries to key players), Second season finished 2nd where Juve had 93points and 13 conceded, won 3rd season.
The team-->View attachment 356598
Top Performers and Recommended Players:
View attachment 356597View attachment 356596View attachment 356595View attachment 356594View attachment 356593View attachment 356592View attachment 356591
Inspiration for tactic: I have always loved the 4-2-3-1 from the days of FM08, and in FM13 i had what i would call the best tactic in my history of FM (7 UCL finals, 6 Victories, 7 league titles in 8 seasons with Arsenal), but in this FM i could no longer achieved such feats. So i was adamant to find a tactic to keep my beloved 4-2-3-1. Also from countless browsing on the site i have noticed that people seem to complain a lot about the lone striker and have even adopted striker-less formations, as big lover of the game and having played myself as a striker i could not just accept this. I always hated striker-less formations.So i wanted to bring the days of the loan striker. This is what i have come up with, i wont say its plug'n'play as i do not believe any tactic is nor that it will guarantee you success, but the quality of football and goals scored will make you love FM again.
View attachment 376286
View attachment 376285View attachment 376284View attachment 376283View attachment 376282View attachment 376281View attachment 376280
TACTIC HAS SET OI'S.. SO DON'T LET ASSISTANT HANDLE
Set-pieces: I use Danilo corner tactic as its a beautiful how the goals happen (advantageous if u have CMs with good long shots) but the defensive set-pieces were too leaky, so i changed them. (Use CAM for corners or LB/RB if they have high corner stat, example-baines)
Training: Pre-season Fitness-Very High and Tactics(50%)
Season- Team Cohesion-High and Def.Positioning(30%)
Once you achieve team cohesion of very strong understanding, change match training to balanced (average).
Train all players for their individual roles in the tactics, but make sure that they are happy/content with their training schedule. Adjust workload accordingly.
I think team talks is the most neglected part of a tactics ability. I go into very extensive detail for team talks, combining a team talk with individual team talks for defense/mid/strikers. Morale plays a big part in this game than anything else i have noticed, so extensive man management is required to achieve success.My talks depend on whether i am playing at home/away or coming of a winning streak or a big loss. Most of the times its either Assertive or Aggressive (I like to assert my dominance in the changing room
For Home:
Pre-Match: If coming of a winning streak- Carry on from last match (Assrt)
If clear favourites or evens- Expect a win (Assrt)
when underdogs- Nobody fancies us (Only if option available, Assrt)
And Individual talks (only prematch): for defence- Hav faith(passnt), Mid- have faith (assrt), Attc-Have faith(assrt)
HT: Winning by a goal or less -Not happy(Assrt)
If losing- Not happy (Aggrs)
Winning but 2 goals but player ratings average below 7 (Not happy- Assrt)
Winning by 2 goals or more and player ratings fairly high on average 7 and above -Very Happy(Pssnt)
Full Time: IF win by 2 or more regardless of player ratings- Very pleased (Passionate)
Win by 1 goal when favourites- bit of a let off(Assrt)
draw or loss- Unhappy (Aggrs)
Its pretty much the same Away, except i praise at half time and full time if leading by 1 goal and win. (passionate if big win and calm if 1-0)
Also if u lose as underdogs with (Nobody fancies us prematch)- give dont look back at result (assrt)
NOTE: Never give seek revenge.. it will show a great boost in morale, but trust me it never works. well atleast in 14.3.1 it doesnt.
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