No one is slating Swann mate..
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No one is slating Swann mate..
He wasn't. That was entirely different context.
Wasn't slating him... Even though I personally think he's just a teeny bit over-rated, there's no denying that he is a very good player...
and I think the day Murali retired, the quality of spinners all over the world went down leaps and bounds...I can't think of a World Class spinner (the likes of Warne, Kumble, Saqlain Mushtaq, Murali etc) playing international cricket as of now... But Swann probably is the best of the current lot...even though he's just good at some parts of the world
WICKET!!!!!!!!!!! Kieswetter edges a great ball from Mooney to the keeper.
24-1 after 7.4
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WICKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taylor top edges to midwicket where Wilson takes the catch from the bowling of Rankin.
34-1 after 10.4
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RAIN 38-2 after 12 overs.
should be 37-2 but the Umpire gave a ***** Wide decision last ball.
24-1 after 7.4
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WICKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taylor top edges to midwicket where Wilson takes the catch from the bowling of Rankin.
34-1 after 10.4
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RAIN 38-2 after 12 overs.
should be 37-2 but the Umpire gave a ***** Wide decision last ball.
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I would also like to add...
making Morgan ODI captain for the match v Ireland could be a really bad idea as it will get us even more fired up.
Wish I could have gotten tickets considering its down in the club i play for :'(
If we do win I hope it gets us even more noticed for full status. especially after Zimbabwae got their's back and and have beaten Bangladesh into the ground.
making Morgan ODI captain for the match v Ireland could be a really bad idea as it will get us even more fired up.
Wish I could have gotten tickets considering its down in the club i play for :'(
If we do win I hope it gets us even more noticed for full status. especially after Zimbabwae got their's back and and have beaten Bangladesh into the ground.
I hope Ireland do get full ODI status. They are better than Zimbabwe & nowadays probably as good as West Indies.
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Just caught the highlights from the T20 on anytime since I missed it, what a dominating performance.
English cricket is in such a good state compared to our opponents in the southern hemisphere. You look at county level and you see Rashid/Shahzad/Onions not even getting a sniff and it shows you the depth. Hales/Butler/Kieswetter/Dernbach/Stokes/Bairstowe/Briggs/Borthwick are exceptional cricketers and you factor in Broad/Anderson with alot of years left in them and you have some team.
Great to see Hales playing superb, watched him plenty of times in CB40/T20/Test cricket at Trent Bridge and he is a cracking batsman with no real weakness. I hope the Windies come at him again with short stuff because pre jaw breaking injury he was dispatching them for 4's and 6's just like he did Friday.
One player in this ODI team I'm not a huge fan of is Bresnan and I'm Yorkshire born and bred. He just seems to be a great Test bowler but without a cordon he seems shaky. If it came down to it I would take Swann/Broad/Dernbach/Anderson/Tremlett ahead of him to the sub continent.
We are not even mentioning Foster/Davies for wicketkeeper as well, English cricket is in such a good place at the minute. Woakes as well isn't in this side...
I can't remember ever having this depth of youth and quality in English cricket, it's exciting to watch this team play shortened forms of cricket. Tonight should be entertaining, hopefully Swann brings in young Borthwick on the flat turn-friendly surface.
I would probably take Finn out of the attack, his pace is unbelievable it was around 94/95 against India and if you take his development curves into account he has the potential to hit 97 mph+ which is terrifying for any batsman.
West Indies are slightly weakened but at 'full strength' with the experienced players they were still doing poorly.
The only test left for this England side in ODI/Test format is South Africa, that's the one test team I look at and tell myself it will be tight. New Zealand in their own back yard would be tough but not as tough as going to South Africa for a test series.
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Think I may have jinxed it.
England's top order collapsed and the middle order imploded. That match showed why Morgan is a better player than Bopara, Morgan would have finished that match for England I'm sure of it.
Bowling and fielding were superb, the batting was shocking. (4 run outs)
England were all out for 88, 25 runs short.
Bitter taste to end the summer, I personally think the prep was wrong. England's batsmen just got picked apart by the spinners and they had no idea how to play them.
Not a good platform going into a one day series with India...
I would take Bairstow/Borthwick/Stokes and leave Buttler/Hales at home.
Hales is a great player but versus spin he just can't play it, especially versus an Indian team that will probably open with a spinner.
Bopara lets everyone down again, he went for 9 runs an over and then came in and got 2 from 8/9 deliveries before being clean bowled.
English cricket is in such a good state compared to our opponents in the southern hemisphere. You look at county level and you see Rashid/Shahzad/Onions not even getting a sniff and it shows you the depth. Hales/Butler/Kieswetter/Dernbach/Stokes/Bairstowe/Briggs/Borthwick are exceptional cricketers and you factor in Broad/Anderson with alot of years left in them and you have some team.
Great to see Hales playing superb, watched him plenty of times in CB40/T20/Test cricket at Trent Bridge and he is a cracking batsman with no real weakness. I hope the Windies come at him again with short stuff because pre jaw breaking injury he was dispatching them for 4's and 6's just like he did Friday.
One player in this ODI team I'm not a huge fan of is Bresnan and I'm Yorkshire born and bred. He just seems to be a great Test bowler but without a cordon he seems shaky. If it came down to it I would take Swann/Broad/Dernbach/Anderson/Tremlett ahead of him to the sub continent.
We are not even mentioning Foster/Davies for wicketkeeper as well, English cricket is in such a good place at the minute. Woakes as well isn't in this side...
I can't remember ever having this depth of youth and quality in English cricket, it's exciting to watch this team play shortened forms of cricket. Tonight should be entertaining, hopefully Swann brings in young Borthwick on the flat turn-friendly surface.
I would probably take Finn out of the attack, his pace is unbelievable it was around 94/95 against India and if you take his development curves into account he has the potential to hit 97 mph+ which is terrifying for any batsman.
West Indies are slightly weakened but at 'full strength' with the experienced players they were still doing poorly.
The only test left for this England side in ODI/Test format is South Africa, that's the one test team I look at and tell myself it will be tight. New Zealand in their own back yard would be tough but not as tough as going to South Africa for a test series.
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Think I may have jinxed it.
England's top order collapsed and the middle order imploded. That match showed why Morgan is a better player than Bopara, Morgan would have finished that match for England I'm sure of it.
Bowling and fielding were superb, the batting was shocking. (4 run outs)
England were all out for 88, 25 runs short.
Bitter taste to end the summer, I personally think the prep was wrong. England's batsmen just got picked apart by the spinners and they had no idea how to play them.
Not a good platform going into a one day series with India...
I would take Bairstow/Borthwick/Stokes and leave Buttler/Hales at home.
Hales is a great player but versus spin he just can't play it, especially versus an Indian team that will probably open with a spinner.
Bopara lets everyone down again, he went for 9 runs an over and then came in and got 2 from 8/9 deliveries before being clean bowled.
Urr, he got MoTM on Friday, and it's not like the rest of our team covered themselves in glory tbh. We should have won that game comfortably with a total that low. Comparing him with Morgan is also rather farcical, considering they are relatively different players. Personally, I would play Bopara at three in the T20 and one day squad, with Morgan at 5, KP at 4, Bell at 6, Opening with Kieswetter and Trott for ODI's, and Bell in the T20's, bringing Buttler in at 6.
4 runs outs is crazy, Swans running was crazy! Butler was unlucky, he is definitely one for the future. It's rather silly to slate a team for losing after spending a summer unbeaten. It's one game, we had alot of youngsters playing, we should have won, but we didn't. Life goes on, lessons learnt. We need to practice on these kind of wickets before we head to the sub-continent, although not a single player looked comfortable batting on the wicket today, for either team.
Hales batted superbly on Friday night, not so much today, but it's hard to generate an opinion on a player when they have only played 3 international games, if you have little/no knowledge of the county game. T20 is a game where openers don't have the luxury of having time to get their eye in, they are expected to dominate from the off. When you play in this fashion, it's inevitable that you will lose you're wicket early on from time to time.
At the end of the day, the game wasn't that important. We learnt that we aren't invincible, and our younger players got a taste of defeat at an international level.
Yeah no, I'm not coming at this saying ''ENGLAND AWFUL, WHAT WERE YOU DOING'' or I didn't mean to, I know the players from the county game Hales in particular watching him at Notts. I just know sub continent conditions he will struggle because his one weakness is off break bowling, saying that the young players did need this experience in my opinion because it will help build them mentally so maybe they think Hales can adapt to conditions better if they have 2 weeks to work on him versus spin.
My point on Bopara is pretty simple, superb one game then the next one he's pretty terrible that sums up his career. The reason I mentioned Morgan is in my opinion he's England's best player of spin and he would be the greatest asset in a ODI in India by some distance, Bopara looks uncomfortable with it. Kieswetter versus opening seamers is absolutely first class but I do worry about him versus opening spinners. Stokes/Bairstow looked like they had what it takes in their locker to take on spin bowlers, Buttler looked composed but he's more alot more suited to English conditions where he can nudge it around the outfield more.
Bopara, for me, in a ODI setting in India should be a bowling option more than a higher order batsman. I would take Swann/Patel/Borthwick over to give 3 spin options in the squad, taking Stokes/Bairstow ahead of Hales/Buttler.
Hales on Friday got settled and got set versus a relatively pacey first 2-3 bowlers, versus opening bowlers who spin the ball I would worry about him.
I would put KP at 3, Bell at 4, Morgan at 5, Bopara at 6 in an ideal world ODI top-middle order.
Dernbach has put himself in nicely as well, in great nick at the moment he should be one of the first names on the sheet in India.
I'm not going too over the top on the result but I would have preferred a loss 1st game and then Friday's display tonight to end the summer on. I think it was the case of England not knowing that much about these West Indies bowlers brought in that were pretty unknown because England actually knew how to play Bishoo and attacked him.
My point on Bopara is pretty simple, superb one game then the next one he's pretty terrible that sums up his career. The reason I mentioned Morgan is in my opinion he's England's best player of spin and he would be the greatest asset in a ODI in India by some distance, Bopara looks uncomfortable with it. Kieswetter versus opening seamers is absolutely first class but I do worry about him versus opening spinners. Stokes/Bairstow looked like they had what it takes in their locker to take on spin bowlers, Buttler looked composed but he's more alot more suited to English conditions where he can nudge it around the outfield more.
Bopara, for me, in a ODI setting in India should be a bowling option more than a higher order batsman. I would take Swann/Patel/Borthwick over to give 3 spin options in the squad, taking Stokes/Bairstow ahead of Hales/Buttler.
Hales on Friday got settled and got set versus a relatively pacey first 2-3 bowlers, versus opening bowlers who spin the ball I would worry about him.
I would put KP at 3, Bell at 4, Morgan at 5, Bopara at 6 in an ideal world ODI top-middle order.
Dernbach has put himself in nicely as well, in great nick at the moment he should be one of the first names on the sheet in India.
I'm not going too over the top on the result but I would have preferred a loss 1st game and then Friday's display tonight to end the summer on. I think it was the case of England not knowing that much about these West Indies bowlers brought in that were pretty unknown because England actually knew how to play Bishoo and attacked him.
To be fair, the spin bowling by the Windies on friday was dire, it was awful. It was hardly even spin bowling. So it is difficult to gage if a player is good facing international standard spinners, when in fact the standard of spin on friday was of a standard lower than my Sat league team. Granted they were somewhat better today, but no where near the standards of spinners in India.
I personally think 3 is too early for KP to come in, as he is more of a destroyer, and if we lose early wicket(s), I would rather we had someone more composed to push the ball around the pitch. Granted if we didn't lose a wicket inside 10 overs, I would be all for bringing KP in early, I just think we need someone more conservative in at three, that's why I would use Bopara, or maybe Bell. Morgan/KP are game changers, they can dominate games and turn them around for us, thats why I would have them in at 4 and 5, if we need 50 runs off the last 5 overs, we know those two would have a great chance in getting them.
Either way, we have an awesome team at the moment, and I can't think of a time when we have had such a well rounded team. We can have a good balance to the team, especially if we play Bopara, because he can always bowl if needed, and if not, he is often a solid bat, although his consistency is that of icecream, that has been left out in the sun for 12 days. If he can hit some kind of consistent form, he could be an awesome player for us.
Who would you have us open with? I like CK, mainly because I am a Somerset fan and I am full of bias
but he also has the ability to change games, and turn them in our favour, when he really gets his head down. I would quite like to see Bell opening the T20's as well, although Tresco would be my first choice, but obviously he has some mental issues with playing abroad.
I personally think 3 is too early for KP to come in, as he is more of a destroyer, and if we lose early wicket(s), I would rather we had someone more composed to push the ball around the pitch. Granted if we didn't lose a wicket inside 10 overs, I would be all for bringing KP in early, I just think we need someone more conservative in at three, that's why I would use Bopara, or maybe Bell. Morgan/KP are game changers, they can dominate games and turn them around for us, thats why I would have them in at 4 and 5, if we need 50 runs off the last 5 overs, we know those two would have a great chance in getting them.
Either way, we have an awesome team at the moment, and I can't think of a time when we have had such a well rounded team. We can have a good balance to the team, especially if we play Bopara, because he can always bowl if needed, and if not, he is often a solid bat, although his consistency is that of icecream, that has been left out in the sun for 12 days. If he can hit some kind of consistent form, he could be an awesome player for us.
Who would you have us open with? I like CK, mainly because I am a Somerset fan and I am full of bias
but he also has the ability to change games, and turn them in our favour, when he really gets his head down. I would quite like to see Bell opening the T20's as well, although Tresco would be my first choice, but obviously he has some mental issues with playing abroad.I would go with Kieswetter over Prior/Davies/Foster/Buttler opening in India. CK's wicket keeping is right up there in world cricket, his reaction and instinct are easily worth 2-3 wickets per series at least. He compliments Cook better than Prior as well, we tried Prior opening before and it didn't quite work out.
To be fair to the West Indies they do have the emerging cricketer of the year in the young leg spinner Bishoo (How, I don't know).
I agree on the spinner standards, how that unknown broke the record figures for the best debut in T20 history is beyond me. I think it's simply because England had no plans for him, the most amazing thing is an average spinner with a new relatively hard white ball tore England's opening order apart.
Bell opening in T20 and pushing Hales back to 3/4 could work, not a huge fan of Trott in an ODI team though especially opening. As a test batsman goes he's one of the best around but his run rate is pretty dire in ODI he just slows down the innings a bit much for my liking.
If Bopara can play like he did on Friday in India he will be invaluable, my worry is like yours he has the consistency of custard you never know what you're going to get.
To be fair to the West Indies they do have the emerging cricketer of the year in the young leg spinner Bishoo (How, I don't know).
I agree on the spinner standards, how that unknown broke the record figures for the best debut in T20 history is beyond me. I think it's simply because England had no plans for him, the most amazing thing is an average spinner with a new relatively hard white ball tore England's opening order apart.
Bell opening in T20 and pushing Hales back to 3/4 could work, not a huge fan of Trott in an ODI team though especially opening. As a test batsman goes he's one of the best around but his run rate is pretty dire in ODI he just slows down the innings a bit much for my liking.
If Bopara can play like he did on Friday in India he will be invaluable, my worry is like yours he has the consistency of custard you never know what you're going to get.