Do Player Stats REALLY make as much of a difference as we think?

[laffles]

Ive just played against Birmingham.

Obafemi Martins completely took me to pieces.

At one point he dribbled past 8 of my players and my goal keeper.
He scored from nearly half way.
And completed his hattrick when he beat The Massive FEDERICO FAZIO in the air.

It was ridiculous, seeing as his dribbling is 13, long shots are 14 and jumping and heading are 9 and 13 respectively.

I mean, there is such as form, but form doesn't make players grow in height or become Messi-like dribblers. Its at times like this I wonder if FM is as realistic as we all think?

Its that or Obafemi has just achieved god-mode.....

 

[Mike.]

you make the same mistake as so many people, attributes are mostly relative, not absolute.

there are so many reasons why he could have took you apart, without a PKM cant really pin it down,

 

[laffles]

Yeah, But theres NO WAY he could out jump the giant Fazio.

The amount of Screamers scored by random players on this game is a bit unreal.

 

[mrjack41]

Yeah, But theres NO WAY he could out jump the giant Fazio.

The amount of Screamers scored by random players on this game is a bit unreal.

He could outjump him, he's fairly athletic for his size, It's unlikely, not impossible.

 

[Mike.]

Yeah, But theres NO WAY he could out jump the giant Fazio.

The amount of Screamers scored by random players on this game is a bit unreal.

wrong,simply wrong

you see smaller strikers beat bigger defenders all the time look at rooney in the air, herandez etc.

they are not random screamers, give any semi professional/ professional player time and space and he will put it on target, thats why you close them down, whether he has 9 or 19 in long shots. not yu mention you've ignored the other attributes that come into play

 

[GodCubed]

Maybe Fazio was in the wrong place or knocked off balance? It happens. If you're not in the place to contest the header, you can't win it.

 

[mccollio09]

he does have massive acceleration and pace though, which does help explain the dribbling part... He might have just outran your players, and lets face it, FMs graphic aren't so advanced that you would no the difference on that one. Can't explain the rest though, just an off day for your team?

Irl I really like Martins, thought him not getting enough game time was one of the reasons Newcastle went down actually. (Owen was preferred ahead of him instead at the time)

 

[Mike.]

He could outjump him, he's fairly athletic for his size, It's unlikely, not impossible.

exactly, he may have anticipated it more, used his off the ball to get away from fazio, at that point his decision making might have been better than fazio's etc

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Maybe Fazio was in the wrong place or knocked off balance? It happens. If you're not in the place to contest the header, you can't win it.

this is the thing, people forget just how many attributes come into play on any specific move, when you realise this, you start understand where and why a move works or fails

 

[GodCubed]

this is the thing, people forget just how many attributes come into play on any specific move, when you realise this, you start understand where and why a move works or fails

Well exactly. Off the top of my head, I can say that Strength, Heading, Jumping, Anticipation, Bravery, Composure, Finishing, Balance, Aggression, Decisions and Agility all effect scoring a goal via a header to some degree or another.

 

[mccollio09]

know what, I've just taken a closer look at his stats, and now that I have, nothing you described that happened surprised me. He is lightening quick, his dribbling is 13, good but not great, add that all to his agility, and you get an image of a player that can run with the ball at lightening speed, turn quick and still have the ball fairly close to his feet whilst doing so. Thus the easy dribbling past players.

He scored from nearly halfway - do not underestimate the flair stat (attempting the unexpected) - Martins has 17 on this, combine that with an ok rating of 14 on long shots and you can see why that has happened.

 

[Mike.]

Well exactly. Off the top of my head, I can say that Strength, Heading, Jumping, Anticipation, Bravery, Composure, Finishing, Balance, Aggression, Decisions and Agility all effect scoring a goal via a header to some degree or another.

plus off the ball for the forward and positioning for the defender, also determination for both

 

[Matty]

Its obvious why Oba managed to create such brilliance!

Have you not seen this amazing skill?! XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWVj89PG7w8

On a serious note, what the guys have said above all contributes to the end product of the game experience, Mike summed it up exactly by saying it "isn't absolute"

do you think every header, and every cross are the same? if the game worked strictly on the stats it would be SO boring it is unreal, complications and real life adaptations must come into account to make it a realistic gaming experience.

 

[Mike.]

know what, I've just taken a closer look at his stats, and now that I have, nothing you described that happened surprised me. He is lightening quick, his dribbling is 13, good but not great, add that all to his agility, and you get an image of a player that can run with the ball at lightening speed, turn quick and still have the ball fairly close to his feet whilst doing so. Thus the easy dribbling past players.

He scored from nearly halfway - do not underestimate the flair stat (attempting the unexpected) - Martins has 17 on this, combine that with an ok rating of 14 on long shots and you can see why that has happened.

excellent post, you dont look at the stats individually but how they fit together. and thats when you realise lots of players that you would dismiss are actually very dangerous players if left alone

 

[laffles]

Obafemi Martins doesn't have great stats...

And tbh wasnt an off day for my team at all. We lost 3-2.
Martins' rating was 9.3, there next highest was 7.1
I could of accepted it abit more if Bham on whole played well. They didnt it was JUST oba.


And I dont think I've EVER had a player single-handedly destroy a team like that. It just doesnt happen against the AI.
I've had players get 5-6 goals in a game but because of the team, never just on there own.
Point is, the AI does stuff no-one can hope to re-create on 11.3

 

[Mike.]

Obafemi Martins doesn't have great stats...

And tbh wasnt an off day for my team at all. We lost 3-2.
Martins' rating was 9.3, there next highest was 7.1
I could of accepted it abit more if Bham on whole played well. They didnt it was JUST oba.


And I dont think I've EVER had a player single-handedly destroy a team like that. It just doesnt happen against the AI.
I've had players get 5-6 goals in a game but because of the team, never just on there own.
Point is, the AI does stuff no-one can hope to re-create on 11.3

wrong. i watched darren fletcher skin two players off a split pass before hammering it from 30 yards over an onrushing Lloris, because i learnt how to get my deepest mid exploit the gap on a counter attack,

you can blame the game all you want, but heres the thing, the match engine cant tell the different between the AI and user, the inputs are exactly the same, ignore what people say here if you want, you'll just get punished time after time

 

[mccollio09]

You asked the question do player stats really make a difference, I maintain that they do. It's becoming a little clearer that you want to rant regardless of valid explanations, there is a post your frustrations thread for that I believe. Tbh Martins is a v good player, when playing bham he should definitely be picked out as a dangerman.

 

[Joel`]

Obafemi Martins doesn't have great stats...

And tbh wasnt an off day for my team at all. We lost 3-2.
Martins' rating was 9.3, there next highest was 7.1
I could of accepted it abit more if Bham on whole played well. They didnt it was JUST oba.


And I dont think I've EVER had a player single-handedly destroy a team like that. It just doesnt happen against the AI.
I've had players get 5-6 goals in a game but because of the team, never just on there own.
Point is, the AI does stuff no-one can hope to re-create on 11.3

Yes it is replicable. Just because YOU haven't experienced it, YET, doesn't mean it's the AI cheating you. Of course you can be torn apart by one player, it can frequently happen. How many times will individual magic from Messi win Barca the game? How many times has Ronaldo turned up for Madrid when the lights were going off? Scott Parker for West Ham - Not even one game, the majority of the season. There's a reason those players are paid so much, because they can turn the game on its head single handedly. You just sound extremely bitter.

 

[laffles]

wrong.
Have you ever had a player single handedly win you a game? When the rest of your team was playing awful, against a team who was playing well, without getting assists?
Doubt.

 

[GodCubed]

wrong.
Have you ever had a player single handedly win you a game? When the rest of your team was playing awful, against a team who was playing well, without getting assists?
Doubt.

Yep. Willian did it a couple of times for for me in a recent save. Dario Conca did it a once before that.

It happens, like it happens in real life.

 

[Mike.]

wrong.
Have you ever had a player single handedly win you a game? When the rest of your team was playing awful, against a team who was playing well, without getting assists?
Doubt.

ezen hazard and nani. 2-1 down, brought them on and switched formation

final score was 6-2, hattrick for nani and a brace for hazard, plus an assist to vidic for 6