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England's problem last couple of years is they keep trying to play like a big team, when they're not.

Time to swallow that Lion pride and get back to basics. This squad is perfectly fit to play a defensive, fast counter-attacking game, but every time I watch them it seems the players are convinced they are 1970 Brazil and fail miserably.
 
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Exactly. Look at Iceland.

My point is that if Iceland lose, or go to say Slovakia and ****** a late 1-0 win, their nation & people wouldn't be slamming them left, right & centre. The Iclandic fans & media recognise that they're not a leading force in international football by any means, which is a leaf I think English fans & media should take out of their book (although tbf there's a lot people who know exactly where England are at, and don't expect that much, pity it's just not the majority). I mean, who's to say England should've went to Slovakia and slammed them tonight? Why are England better? Based on what? Because they're richer? Drive flashier cars? Beause Fifa or FM stats say so? Because the Premier League (widely regarded best league in the world) is English? The best players in the league are foreign, the champions of the league will be managed by a foreign manager, and as soon as any decent looking English youth breaks onto the scene they either have every camera, newspaper article and last bit of attention under the sun on him, or be chucked straight into international senior level without letting complete what I think, is the correct development stages, something a country like Spain would do (bring them up through u21's, etc). I'm glad to see Rashford back playing with his age group for England, let him develop, gain a few relationships & understanding with his peers there, and who knows? In a few years, 2-3 of who have played with each other in U21 tournaments and qualifying games, may be crucial for the senior team, as a team.

Germany know what they're about, Spain know what they're about, France know what they're about, England just chop & change different formations, managers & players every five minutes... it's hard to set anything in place, as the pundits in the studio said, they have no "identity". I personally think England are behind as many international teams now than they have been in some time, Wales are almost on par with them. Having said that, putting all of this criticism aside, I do think Sam has a good foundation to work with if given a lengthy tenure, with the emerging talent due to come through over the next few years, mixed with the few young players already on the scene and gaining experience cap-by-cap in Dele Alli, Ross Barkley (expect to see him force his way back onto the international scene), John Stones, Luke Shaw, etc., to push on inside the next 5-10 years and become a team in which can go into tournaments knowing what they're about, knowing their strengths & weaknesses, and being confident that they'll definitely be there/thereabouts in the business end.

And my two pence is that their strength, going forward at least, looks obvious?

Harry Kane offers little else apart from his strength/presence & ruthless finishing, and even that's amiss at the moment, Sturridge or Vardy are much more suited to what in my opinion, England would excel at; pace & fluency. With flair players available to them like Lallana, Barkley, Dele Alli, with pace on the wings in Sterling/Ox/Townsend/Walcott, it feels criminal to play possesion football and players dropping too deep to get the ball when they've got such pacey/fluent armory available to them... they're not world beaters as it is, so how could you expect them to be if not playing to their strengths? Play direct attacking football, making runs in behind with the pace they've got, getting down the flanks, playing little one-two's around the edge of the area with the technically gifted flair players they've got, and for crying out loud stop the strikers dropping 30 yards from goal to get a ball into feet, and just take gambles and make those continuous runs in behind.... the only time England looked dangerous tonight was when Sterling was slotted in a few times or when Rooney threaded one or two in behind to Walcott (albeit the most notable one was offside), but the common denominator? PACE to get in behind. The only time they looked good in the Euro's was when Kyle Walker & Danny Rose were bombing down each flank with PACE. How silly would Iceland have been if they rarely utilised Gunnarsson's long throw? How silly would Spain be with the best passers in the world (arguably), if didn't play possesion/passing football? If you know what your strengths are, why tinker with different things, it's silly.. that's my opinion.
 
it's not about World Class. It's about being a team, and being able to execute the basics. England don't do that/

Need to stop obsessing about individual players and the "world class" tag, and start utilising space and movement. Tactically inept.

That's what happens when we keep appointing dinosaur managers from the stone age. Literally yesterday was a carbon copy of under Hodgson, there was no sense in appointing someone like Allardyce, other than being English...... like that matters.
 
That's what happens when we keep appointing dinosaur managers from the stone age. Literally yesterday was a carbon copy of under Hodgson, there was no sense in appointing someone like Allardyce, other than being English...... like that matters.

Spot on. Was having this conversation with my mate yesterday, (I'm Welsh so I don't really care) but Allardyce is not going to offer them anymore than Hodgson. We went back through the managers over the last 10 years and bar Capello, none of them really had a strong reputation, well, to match Englands standards.

I find Englands main problem is that they lack any pace in the squad, the tempo is extremely slow and thats been a huge problem for ages. So Allardyce really isnt going to fix that!
 
England's problem last couple of years is they keep trying to play like a big team, when they're not.

Time to swallow that Lion pride and get back to basics. This squad is perfectly fit to play a defensive, fast counter-attacking game, but every time I watch them it seems the players are convinced they are 1970 Brazil and fail miserably.

They can't play that because the vast majority of teams still line up as if we are a big team, they get narrow and deep.
 
But the FA won't sack him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again-they don't have backbone. No matter how bad something gets they always spin up some **** and bull story and this will be no different.



(#Pardew in #Kappa)
 
Going to be one **** of a payoff to sack him only a couple of months into his contract if they go that way
 
Going to be one **** of a payoff to sack him only a couple of months into his contract if they go that way

Surely a massive breach like this would supersede that and get them out of it?

If they keep him they'll be an even bigger joke of an organisation than they currently are and the last thread of integrity they may of had will be shot to pieces. And that's not even getting into ALL trust is gone between them and their manager.

Surely the fat gobshite has to be one and done? SURELY?
 
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Reckon Rafa's cancelled training and is just sat home his bills watching SSNews ******* himself laughing? Haha.
 
Allardyce as England manager they should be investigating who appointed him.
 
Wow, that is a scandal.What do you think the FA will do?He must go, surely?Will Pardew be hired?Or will it be Rodgers?
 

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