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Only just watched the highlights this morning and while I agree it's a soft red I can understand why it was given. Rodwell went in with his studs raised and if Suarez was any quicker to the ball it could of easily been a nasty one. It's Rodwell's own fault for not learning how to tackle correctly. He had time to use his instep, but instead opted to show his Englishness and use his studs.

Also, speaking of bad decisions. Why don't referee's enforce the rules on penalties? Howard was off his line before Kuyt struck the ball and there were at least 6 Everton players inside the box before Kuyt struck the ball.

I honestly can't agree I'm afraid-if he did try to hurt him I would instantly say it was a stupid challenge as I've done with Hibbert on Adam which I felt was a red as it was a very nasty stupid challenge. Yellow potentially. Watched it a few times, and you can see Jack pulling his legs away to avoid contact with Suarez before he threw himself to the ground. I don't think he was trying to draw a red, but still. Absolutely unproffessional.

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FA have announced that the red card Rodwell got for (unfair) dismissal has been overturned. Should ****** think so to. Now make sure Atkinson no longers refs a high profile match again-or any match.
 
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Only just watched the highlights this morning and while I agree it's a soft red I can understand why it was given. Rodwell went in with his studs raised and if Suarez was any quicker to the ball it could of easily been a nasty one. It's Rodwell's own fault for not learning how to tackle correctly. He had time to use his instep, but instead opted to show his Englishness and use his studs.

Also, speaking of bad decisions. Why don't referee's enforce the rules on penalties? Howard was off his line before Kuyt struck the ball and there were at least 6 Everton players inside the box before Kuyt struck the ball.

Studs raised, seriously? What tackle are you talking about?

[video=youtube;k7GyFI0T1y0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7GyFI0T1y0&feature=related[/video]

Jesus ******* christ how biased can you be.
 
Studs raised, seriously? What tackle are you talking about?

Yes they were quite clearly raised...

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Yes they were quite clearly raised...

[video=youtube;s9lwCMeiUwg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9lwCMeiUwg[/video]

.. On the ball. By the time he even touches Suarez his boots are on the ground and he collides into him with practically all momentum lost. It's not even a foul, let alone a red. Tackles far more ferocious than that go in week in, week out that win the ball, and no one ever complains, they're usually the sign of a 'real' footballer, probably followed by someone saying that it's exactly what Arsenal need.
 
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He doesn't tackle him with studs raised at all, he gets the ball and immediately puts his foot down to avoid any and all sorts of contact between his foot and Suarez, the only contact is between his knee and Luis' leg. But I guess that warrants a red card and plenty of play acting. You clearly have a very biased view of things, honestly is walking in Liverpool's half a red card offence too? Not gonna bother any further.
 
Not sure if you're being serious or not Joel' because your post is pretty much my sarcastic response to the issue. But the fact he puts his boot down at the last second is irrelevant, studs up tackles are one of the things referees are trying to get rid of. You do not go into a tackle with your studs raised without knowing it will cause more damage than tackling correctly and fairly.

Athe~, at no point did I say he should of received a red card. I've also never condoned Suarez' reaction. Stop making things up so that I fit this biased view you want to pin on me.
 
Not sure if you're being serious or not Joel' because your post is pretty much my sarcastic response to the issue. But the fact he puts his boot down at the last second is irrelevant, studs up tackles are one of the things referees are trying to get rid of. You do not go into a tackle with your studs raised without knowing it will cause more damage than tackling correctly and fairly.

Athe~, at no point did I say he should of received a red card. I've also never condoned Suarez' reaction. Stop making things up so that I fit this biased view you want to pin on me.

Meh, I'm tired. :(
 
Just to break up the fighting over Rodwelllegallytacklingsuarez-gate, here's some analysis of things.

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Formations once Jack Rodwell had been sent off. Note Leon Osman’s attempt to shuttle between two positions, and how he ended up more in the centre than out wide.


1.) Andy Carroll playing deep
Liverpool’s £35 million man, Andy Carroll, started today looking to improve on his lacklustre beginning to life at his new club. Being a tall, strong striker, Carroll is usually deployed as the furthest forward player, the ‘No. 9’ – the head of the team, using his aerial ability and hold up play to bring others into dangerous positions. With Dalglish also trying to fit the much more effective Luis Suarez into the same side, the Uruguayan has often been played just off Carroll, drifting around and finding pockets of space.

Today, however, the roles were reversed, and each player put their own spin on the situation. With Carroll dropping back behind Suarez, he battled to win headers (relatively unsuccessfully: he only won two out of six aerial duels) and played possession passes to more creative players. While Suarez had a relatively quiet game by his standards, but his movement opened up space for others and his selfless work rate got him into good positions.


2.) Osman left Baines exposed

Due to the hideous refereeing decision that got Jack Rodwell sent off, Leon Osman was left to try and pick up the pieces more or less by himself on the left flank. As Marouane Fellaini was having to try and track the two Liverpool midfielders plus deal with Andy Carroll by himself, Osman was moved into a centralish position by Moyes, who presumably thought that the energy of Leighton Baines would allow him to cover two positions at once.

This worked somewhat – Baines got up and down the flank well – but it left him exposed to Dirk Kuyt, and removed the direct opponent of Martin Kelly. The young Liverpudlian right-back could then get forward unopposed, stretching the play and forcing Baines into two-on-one situations with him and Kuyt.


3.) Liverpool’s unbalanced wings

On a similar note, whilst Liverpool’s play was spread across the pitch, much of the movement of the players happened on the right. Part of this could be down to the aforementioned extra space caused by Osman’s move into the centre, but much was also to do with the players. On the left, Liverpool played Jose Enrique and Stewart Downing, two left-footed players who work hard and cross well. As a result, both stayed wide, and their movement was mostly vertical. On the other flank, Dirk Kuyt played arguably his most effective role, shuttling between a wide right position and a support striker. With Kelly bombing on and Downing and Enrique stretching play on the left, Kuyt could move inside without fear of compromising width, and he roamed across the Everton left side at will.


4.) Dalglish got it spot on after Rodwell’s dismissal

Rodwell’s sending off was the big talking point of the match, and arguably the turning point. Everton had been marginally the better side, and were coping well with everything Liverpool had to throw at them as well as constructing some good attacking moves. After Rodwell’s dismissal, Moyes did the usual trick of a team a man down and had Everton clam up. They played deeper and more narrow, inviting Liverpool pressure and looking to play on the counter.

Kenny Dalglish recognised that, and immediately moved to get Liverpool playing higher and wider, stretching the play and forcing Everton’s players to move wide to close down opponents. Everton held on, but eventually Liverpool players ended up finding gaps and exploited them ruthlessly.


5.) Louis Saha was left too isolated

It is often the job of a lone striker to hold the ball up and wait for midfield runners, particularly when the striker is big and strong as Louis Saha. Today, however, whilst Saha held the ball up well and generally looked lively, the midfield runners weren’t anywhere near quick enough in getting to him to provide support. As a result, Saha was left too isolated, losing the ball through no real fault of his own. It didn’t help that he was up against two rugged, aerially strong defenders in Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel either: Saha only won 14% of his aerial duels, which meant that the classic way of relieving pressure, a long ball to a target man forward, often meant that Liverpool won possession right back and were able to assault Everton’s goal once more.

This piece was originally written for The Football Front.
 
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Wonder maybe if DM should have taken off Saha and brought on Drenthe or Neville straight away to fill the void and take the pressure of Osman/Baines
 
Wonder maybe if DM should have taken off Saha and brought on Drenthe or Neville straight away to fill the void and take the pressure of Osman/Baines

Hard to say. I'd have taken off Cahill myself, brought on Drenthe and counterattacked through the wings. There was so little attempt to support Saha that the removal of his closest player would hardly have mattered.
 
Not sure if you're being serious or not Joel' because your post is pretty much my sarcastic response to the issue. But the fact he puts his boot down at the last second is irrelevant, studs up tackles are one of the things referees are trying to get rid of. You do not go into a tackle with your studs raised without knowing it will cause more damage than tackling correctly and fairly.

There was not even a minimal chance of 'causing damage', but whatever mate. Been a long day at uni and I cba to start this argument all over again.
 
There was not even a minimal chance of 'causing damage', but whatever mate. Been a long day at uni and I cba to start this argument all over again.

Minimal chance is > than no chance.
 
Time to close this one. Think we all agree, that it was not a sending off. Not to mention the fact, that this could cost Everton money due to where we finish at the end of the season due to this loss-money we can't afford to lose. And that it's a shame, that we were discussing a terrible ref, rather than discussing how good a game it could have been. Still, way I see it, it's half and we are 1-0. Still, the return trip to Anfield to come and a chance to even things up.
 
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