Few basic tactic creation suggestions (for newbies)

[Pogrebnik]

Can someone please explain me how to make any tactic work. I just can't do it. Before I could make tactics that suit me but now I just can't. I read many many articles and all but nothing works for me (what I make).

I dont need all the time winning tactic I would just like to see it good and then change what it needs.

I am playing with Ac Milan 99%

How I make tactic is this 2 dc 2 fm or wb or cw depends sometimes 1 dm with 2 cm sometimes 3 cm and sometimes 2 cm 1 acm then left IF right Winger and 1 attacker.

So please some suggestions. How would you put that tactic? I mostly go for Control, fluid and some instructions. But I have tried everything with instructions I just cant make it.

Please help I don't have more time and will to try again at least not without some guidence.

Sorry for bad English

 

[WJ]

Right, now it's clear you like to quote what interests you and leave the other quotes. I don't need you quoting me, I did that my self with the previous post, but that you missed it right ?! Right there, my statement specialist role becomes irrelevant and then, because I was writing about SPECIALIST roles, I stated "Never said he goes rogue, the role just becomes irrelevant, it's just not enhanced due to the fluid system". You should be ashame of your self.

HOW though? How does the role become irrelevant? What do you mean "not enhanced"?

 

[Igneos79]

No you misunderstand. They used "counter" mentality, but it wasn't anything to do with counter attacking play. It's all about what the risk of that mentality represents. Then you add in a few more instructions.

So you're saying they did things reversely in it, for example used pressing even though you should stand off? I could try to recreate that, but I doubt it will work well. You can't tell players to drop deeper and not expect defenders to directen their passess. Or at least, I don't think that will work well.

 

[miguelalves]

Can someone please explain me how to make any tactic work. I just can't do it. Before I could make tactics that suit me but now I just can't. I read many many articles and all but nothing works for me (what I make).

I dont need all the time winning tactic I would just like to see it good and then change what it needs.

I am playing with Ac Milan 99%

How I make tactic is this 2 dc 2 fm or wb or cw depends sometimes 1 dm with 2 cm sometimes 3 cm and sometimes 2 cm 1 acm then left IF right Winger and 1 attacker.

So please some suggestions. How would you put that tactic? I mostly go for Control, fluid and some instructions. But I have tried everything with instructions I just cant make it.

Please help I don't have more time and will to try again at least not without some guidence.

Sorry for bad English

It's not a matter of need, it's just how things are. Fact: no team in unbeatable. If you want people around here to be more helpful, it's better if you focus on specific problems and post some screenshots of your tactic.

 

[callamity]

So you're saying they did things reversely in it, for example used pressing even though you should stand off? I could try to recreate that, but I doubt it will work well.

The mentality in FM terms they used was counter, as they got the ball forward to the opponents half/third and then passed the ball about there,

 

[Igneos79]

Can someone please explain me how to make any tactic work. I just can't do it. Before I could make tactics that suit me but now I just can't. I read many many articles and all but nothing works for me (what I make).

I dont need all the time winning tactic I would just like to see it good and then change what it needs.

I am playing with Ac Milan 99%

How I make tactic is this 2 dc 2 fm or wb or cw depends sometimes 1 dm with 2 cm sometimes 3 cm and sometimes 2 cm 1 acm then left IF right Winger and 1 attacker.

So please some suggestions. How would you put that tactic? I mostly go for Control, fluid and some instructions. But I have tried everything with instructions I just cant make it.

Please help I don't have more time and will to try again at least not without some guidence.

Sorry for bad English

try my standard tactic from OP

 

[Pogrebnik]

Ok. when I see my players those are there best positions.

I just can't make them work in tactic.

Don't know what else to try. I hate playing with others tactics.

 

[Pogrebnik]

try my standard tactic from OP

ok will try just to see how you aranged it all. thx

 

[Igneos79]

The mentality in FM terms they used was counter, as they got the ball forward to the opponents half/third and then passed the ball about there,

that is doable with all less agressive mentalities plus standard. The less agressive you go, the forwards do shorter passess and draw opposition onto you, and when they commit enough players forward, your backline sends a direct ball to forwards and exploits the space left behind...that's basically the essence of counter attacking...if you're not going to counter them, you should use standard mentality, in which you can play out of defence and do shorter passess aswell, keeping both forwards and backline at short, and gradually building your attack. If you go more agressive, forwards do more direct passess and look to penetrate. I beleive my standard tactic, is basically what tiki taka is all about, and probably the only correctly setup tiki taka on this forum, if not even wider...

 

[miguelalves]

HOW though? How does the role become irrelevant? What do you mean "not enhanced"?

I've told you over and over that this discussion was about specialist roles, like playmakers; I've give you a quote from the Guide to Football Manager (it seems it has flaws) stating specialist become less important with fluid structures; I've give you a quote from wwfan stating that specialist roles become redundant with fluid structures. For all of this you have misquoted me trying to look I wrote things I didn't and insult me, so stop being a childish ***** because you **** know what I'm writing and you're just not grown up enough to admit you made a mistake. Done with you!

 

[Igneos79]

I think callamity is correct. The roles will always be important, fluidity is just how much you allow your whole team to contribute to team beside just their role and duty...

 

[WJ]

I've told you over and over that this discussion was about specialist roles, like playmakers; I've give you a quote from the Guide to Football Manager (it seems it has flaws) stating specialist become less important with fluid structures; I've give you a quote from wwfan stating that specialist roles become redundant with fluid structures. For all of this you have misquoted me trying to look I wrote things I didn't and insult me, so stop being a childish ***** because you **** know what I'm writing and you're just not grown up enough to admit you made a mistake. Done with you!

I made no mistake though. I asked you to give me a definition so I can't be accused of putting words in your mouth, but you don't want to.

I'm not disagreeing with wwfan at all. In fact, LIKE I SAID, I agree with him. I wanted your definitions, because they don't seem to agree with either GtFM or wwfan.

 

[WJ]

that is doable with all less agressive mentalities plus standard. The less agressive you go, the forwards do shorter passess and draw opposition onto you, and when they commit enough players forward, your backline sends a direct ball to forwards and exploits the space left behind...that's basically the essence of counter attacking...if you're not going to counter them, you should use standard mentality, in which you can play out of defence and do shorter passess aswell, keeping both forwards and backline at short, and gradually building your attack. If you go more agressive, forwards do more direct passess and look to penetrate. I beleive my standard tactic, is basically what tiki taka is all about, and probably the only correctly setup tiki taka on this forum, if not even wider...

Well, the counter attack in FM triggers when there are a certain number of attackers vs defenders. I'm not sure, but I think it's when you're equal (2v2, 3v3) or obviously more attackers vs defenders.

If this doesn't happen, they'll play low risk football, which is what classic Barca did. You are right about defenders playing more direct on the lower mentalities, but you can negate with Shorter passing PIs or Play Out Of Defence, if you find that it is a problem.

 

[miguelalves]

I made no mistake though. I asked you to give me a definition so I can't be accused of putting words in your mouth, but you don't want to.

I'm not disagreeing with wwfan at all. In fact, LIKE I SAID, I agree with him. I wanted your definitions, because they don't seem to agree with either GtFM or wwfan.

I told you already, specialist roles become irrelevant in fluid structures, you want to use a different word ? Like redundant ? yeah, that really makes a difference, I'm completely wrong by saying irrelevant instead of redundant. Really ?

 

[callamity]

There, their, they're do they mean the same thing?

 

[Mike.]

So you're saying they did things reversely in it, for example used pressing even though you should stand off? I could try to recreate that, but I doubt it will work well. You can't tell players to drop deeper and not expect defenders to directen their passess. Or at least, I don't think that will work well.

Counter mentality doesnt have to be deep.

If I was building a Pep guardiola base my Teams instructions would start like this

Flexible Philosophy
Counter Mentality
Retain Posession
Shorter Passing
Pass into space
More Closing down
Higher or much Higher defensive line.

 

[wkdsoul]

Counter mentality doesnt have to be deep.

If I was building a Pep guardiola base my Teams instructions would start like this

Flexible Philosophy
Counter Mentality
Retain Posession
Shorter Passing
Pass into space
More Closing down
Higher or much Higher defensive line.

I'm not sure the Barcelona Carousel pass into space that much, always struck me as an into feet team, unless the LB or RB are galloping onto it but 9/11 players play to feet.

 

[callamity]

I'm not sure the Barcelona Carousel pass into space that much, always struck me as an into feet team, unless the LB or RB are galloping onto it but 9/11 players play to feet.

I would probably add stay on feet aswell otherwise a perfectly sound base to start from in my opinion

 

[Mike.]

I'm not sure the Barcelona Carousel pass into space that much, always struck me as an into feet team, unless the LB or RB are galloping onto it but 9/11 players play to feet.

The counter mentality (lower risk) means they wont pass into space unless the option is good, but pass into space encourages use.

They were deep into feet, till they were outside your box, then they would kill you with a through ball

 

[GodCubed]

Counter mentality doesnt have to be deep.

If I was building a Pep guardiola base my Teams instructions would start like this

Flexible Philosophy
Counter Mentality
Retain Posession
Shorter Passing
Pass into space
More Closing down
Higher or much Higher defensive line.

I'd argue the philosophy was Structured. For Guardiola's tactics circa 2011ish you're going to be playing a 4-3-3 that's narrow high up the pitch with width provided by full-backs. More to the point, you're going to have at least three specialist roles: Messi as a false nine, Iniesta as an AP support and Xavi as a DLP support. Add to that theoretically Busquets as a modified Regista and you've got four, and with Flexible things will just get too disorganised. Also I guess I'm a Structured philosophy *****.