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Chrissy Dude said:
Henry I tried both support and defence roles plus the roaming playmaker. The reason the roles are the way they are is to overload the defence I open play. Most goals in football come from overloading an area of play and FM is no different in this regard.

You will have noticed a lot fo the goals are tap ins or from players finding space as a defence cannot cope with the overloading of certain areas and tries to compensate. The CWBs need to be on attacks and the playmaker similar to achieve this. Yes it means defensively you are scunnered.
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Hey, thanks for the reply, I just woke up therefore I haven't got more testing done. I disagree in the sense that the CWBs need to be on attack as well as the advanced playmaker. When the CWB are on support they still attack, but at the same time they don't go gung-ho without using their brain. As support they will be more available in the build-up play, but still able to attack. Also I feel the wingers get's more on the ball with this setup, simple because the CWB's doesn't run into their positions all the time.

When it comes to the advanced playmaker, I feel the roaming playmaker works better. He will get deeper to get the ball, and he will be leading the attack at the same time. Having a physical strong engine here will improve the balance of the team. I still think the 4 attackers are good enough to create a lot of chances, for an example I got 7 CCC's away against Tottenham.

I will keep testing, but this time I will choose a weaker team from another nation. I can also mention that I had Özil and Cazorla on the bench with Arsenal, because they didn't fit in. My attackers were Sanchez, Chamberlain, Giroud and Welbeck.
 
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i find the strikers not as effective scoring wise since new patch, although im still winning all the time and top :)
 
Defensively the set pieces are improved. Boze was using the same attacking corner set up.

Long throws use that set up as well, so swithced to long throws and aadopted his defensive set up.
Over the course of half a season in testing fewer goals are lost through set pieces.
With changing the support for the cwbs i have found no overlapping. Contrary to what Henry stated, the IF's and CWBs didn't take up the
same space as the IF's on attack cut inside whereas the CWBs tend to hit the byline.
I amend the crossing for the CWB's to the centre as the IF's crossing there seemed to work.
The original tactic posted didn't have completed F9 duties, these were compelted.

Defensively the CWB's don't get caught out as much. You'll still get buggered for pace with fast strikers if your
defence is slow. Thats true for all tactics that press though.
Keep the same OI's as the Opening post, team talks, subs etc are vital as is morale and training.

As a side note, I typed this up on my notepad. The amount of lag due to advertising on this site is
ridiculous. Having serious issues typing out more than 50 characters with stalling.
 
Chrissy Dude said:
Ok folks, I have edited it with suggestions from Henry and Bozewolf. Also tweaked the F9 left sided player and CWB intructions.


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Update on my testing: Very good start with Parma, predicted 17th. The away win against Juventus is incredible. The bad news is that I got 2 very bad injuries on key players, both my wingers. And my back-up there is not good at all.

Will download this now to see how it plays out in the next games.
OK, also won my first game with this tactic, 3-1 against Milan. Lodi, my roaming playmaker with a hattrick. Used callamity's defending corner setup aswell :)


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let me know how you get on with calamities set up. i'll do the same. could you keep track of how many assists the cwbs get from crosses? May change that as well.
 
Chrissy Dude said:
let me know how you get on with calamities set up. i'll do the same. could you keep track of how many assists the cwbs get from crosses? May change that as well.
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I haven't conceded from corners yet, looking good, only played 3 games with it though. What I have a problem with is the defending free kicks. I've conceded once from that in all these 3 games. Would like to see that be improved.

The cwb's are not getting many assists at all, but they always get crosses into the box which ends up in a goal.

Actually I just lost 3-2 away against Napoli, which is not very bad though. I was 3-0 down and then my ballwinner got a red card. I took one of my strikers down to CM and made the other striker central. After that my team played a lot better and I was close getting a point. Would be interesting trying out this tactic with 1 central striker, and 1 CDM to improve the defense. Then I would probably also make the CWB's back to attack and then give the CM ballwinner a support role. Might try that out.
 
Tried that with the cwb's also tried having a HB for the F9 as well. The key to this tactic is the overloading. You need four + players doing that. I know you hate losing goals, as do we all, but that's the compromise for having the offense. Could try switching. I think the crossing with the CWB's is working from an offence point of view, the second balls alone as you say are generating goals.
 
Chrissy Dude said:
Tried that with the cwb's also tried having a HB for the F9 as well. The key to this tactic is the overloading. You need four + players doing that. I know you hate losing goals, as do we all, but that's the compromise for having the offense. Could try switching. I think the crossing with the CWB's is working from an offence point of view, the second balls alone as you say are generating goals.
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Well, I tried out playing with one striker and one CDM for a game. As well as attack duty for the CWB's. And the first game I haven't conceded in and it was my 7th game. A very good feeling. Won the game 2-0, even with two crucial midfielders unable to play. Will keep testing.
 
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Oh and defensive freekicks ARE a total fail on this, so if anyone has a better suggestion to defend them :) I'm all ears :)
 
I'm spanking teams with the new version. Added the scotia tactic to the OP. Trust me folks, it seems to be a winner. :)
 
Chrissy Dude said:
Oh and defensive freekicks ARE a total fail on this, so if anyone has a better suggestion to defend them :) I'm all ears :)
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I've something that seems to work. Will keep testing it, but right now I'm flying high with my 4-5-1. Thanks for all the good work :)

Btw, should the LB/RB take freekicks and long throws?
 
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