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“Facts are more important than opinions” is something I have learned already a long, long time ago.
I read on so many tactic postings that this particular tactic is the “best ever” etc. And I wondered how there can be over 20 “best ever tactics” out there. This triggered me to have a closer look at them all, see them in action with the same team and compare the performances of each tactic.
When you ask 100 people what to their opinion the best tactic is out there I bet you get 85 different answers, maybe 15 people mentiona tactic already mentioned.
Everybody wants a tactic that makes them win 100% of the time and I can honestly say, for sure in FM 2014 that is simply not going to happen. First of all, it wouldn’t be realistic and secondly: depending on the team you choose (like in this case with one of my test teams with a media prediction 12th, it is unreal to expect a win against the big teams all the time). Maybe with a team like Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester City/United you will be able to dominate almost every match and win 95% of them, but that is regardless of which tactics you’ll use, that is why I selected a weaker team, where good tactics are needed to achieve something. I also ran the same tests with a team in a different league and a media prediction of 4th. Not a European top team, but still, a higher ranked team that actually has a chance of winning the local competition.
I tested 51 (yes fifty one!!!) popular and deemed to be “top” tactics for patch 14.3.1, after playing 15 matches with each tactic I eliminated the bottom few and di the same afteranother 10 matches.
In the end (I added a few recently released, very strong tactics) I tested a total of 23 tactics for the full 50 matches.
I have gathered and analysed the most important stats one ach game I played with every tactic, and ended my analyses after playing a lot of games with each one of them with the exact same team.
Every tactic has its own strengths and weaknesses and even though a particular tactic might have been “build around a certain team” I wanted to make a fair comparison between the tactics I tested for this purpose. When you play 20+ time the same match over and over again with each time a different tactic it showed me very easily which tactic is showing consistent results. Some tactics show consistently higher possession stats, other ones more CCC etc. Which tactic is good for you all depends on your personal preference and the team you have chosen.
You might say “luck also comes into play” which of course is true, football is not an exact science and even though you dominate and have the best chances, it happens that you still draw or even lose the match. That is why I have played 45+ games with each of the tactics, just to get the “luck factor” (or “bad luck factor”) out of play.
So what is a “good tactic”? For me, but that is just me, I prefer to lose a game with 0-1, after completely outplaying the opponent and having 8-1 balls on goal, 4-1 CCC etc. My board probably would still be unhappy, but if these stats would be there, it shows the tactic is actually working quite well.
In between matches I went “on holidays” and left all actions (with exclusion of buying/selling players) to my assistant manager. The actual games were played, not simulated for a realistic experience. In generated matches the tactics chosen play a lesser role. When a player’s fitness dropped under 70% I substituted him, when possible. When a player was sent off with a red card in the first 70 minutes of the game, I replayed the match as it wouldn’t be a “fair comparison” in my own test environment.
The test was run with 2 teams; one had a media prediction of12th, the other one a prediction of 4th in their respective leagues.
7 matches were played with tactic not being fluid, in all other matches the tactic was fully fluid.
No injuries or bans in effect (used FMRTE for this purpose, again.......to create a fair comparison)
As you all may know, if you play a certain match and for some reason you replay that particular game 3 times, you will get 3 different results even if you play with the exact same players and tactics. For that reason I decided to analyse 50 games and not only review the results but basically all stats and involved these in the evaluation.
For example: there was a match in an earlier test game I played in which my team lost with 0-1, but my team’s possession was 55%+,CCC 4-1 and shots on goal was 8-1. (yes………………..it was the “1% chance“ that killed me).
Does that mean that if you lose 3 games in a row like this that your tactics is always awful???? No….of course not. You can always have a bad result because of a big error/blunder in defence. Main thing is that you know if the tactic is good, that you will win 95 out of 100 times that match and losing it is hard, but always possible, even with the best tactical approach.
I actually would prefer to play with a tactic that creates lots of shots on goal and CCC’s instead of only looking at the results. Winning 3 times with luck while your team gets completely outplayed is a sign that your tactic is not good, but you might just have luck on your side. In some “tests postings” I found on the internet the main focus was on how many points were gathered in a certain number of matches and for the reason just mentioned I decided to take adifferent approach. Yes….in the end it is nice to see how many matches/points you gained but it should be more focussed on how effective you play with a tactic.
When you have the right players on the right spots and a tactic that works, the results will come automatically even when you lose a game or two due to bad luck or terrible blunders in defence.
I think this makes all perfect sense, but just wanted to make this clear here.
All tactics were tweaked or made for and tested with FM 2014 with patch 14.3.1. When multiple versions of the same tactic existed, I chose for either the one which was “the best” according to the creator, or the one that was the newest/latest version, as it would be virtually impossible to test all tactics let alone…….all versions of just one tactic out there ;-).
All team talks (half time and after the match) were done by the Assistant Manager.
No OI (opposition instructions) done
Tactics were tested as “plug and play”, no shouts, no substitutions (except when players condition was under 70% or player was injured/took a knock and needed to be taken off). For your own reference please check the creators’ blog or posts to see if shouts are needed or even wanted, sometimes shouts can interfere with the tactic, instead of helping you play better.
Pitch sizes as indicated by creator of tactics, if not provided I used the standard pitch size.
Identical players were used on positions where possible during matches, when for example a 2-7-1 formation was chosen instead of 4-4-2 the needed changes were made to have the right player on the right position.
No individual talks with players, no team meetings or backroom staff meetings.
Press conferences all done by the Assistant Manager
Of course when you chose a certain tactic for your team a lot of factors come into play. You might have your own personal preference of the formation or line up you are looking for, you might prefer a counterattacking style above a “Tiki Taka” or an “all-out attack” formation. Maybe your team has a lot of DL or DR suitable players and you prefer to play with 4 defenders for that reason. Your chosen team might also be well known to play better in a certain system (Barcelona “Tiki Taka” is an obvious example) and you want to stick to that. But again, the statistics say it all. Some tactics show that they create a lot more chances for your team, some cause a lot of headaches because of a leaky defense etc.
When choosing a tactic a lot more factors come into play than just test results.
Of course I could have chosen another, more reputable, team. But I decided to take a team that is a clearly not an “easy winner” and see what can be achieved despite a low prediction (12[th) at the start of the season.
It’s not hard to win games with teams like Manchester United, Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. Claiming you have found the “best tactic” and posting only your season result from one of the above teamsis not conclusive “evidence” that your tactic did it all.
The scores in the tests I did could have been better if I would have subbed players that were having a bad day, looked exhausted or if I would have made other adjustments to the team based on performance, which everybody does in real. I decided however to keep playing with the same 11 as Istarted with whenever possible, to maintain an honest comparison.

DISCLAIMER:
It is not my intention, and never will be, to imply that certain tactics are better than others. The test was run over 50 games to ensure that the “chance factor” was eliminated as much as possible. My tests will only show which tactics worked best with my test teams (media prediction 12th and 4th) without any players sold/bought during the season, and without any interference or input during the matches. All based on a “plug and play” scenario.
I have/had no personal preference on any tactics and my testing has been done as neutral as possible.

*“It's a mariolicious xmas tree 3-4-3-0 (3T’s)” is an edited version of the original. I changed the position of the 2 AM - 1 ST set up with one with 3 AMs with “Trequartista” role and found out it worked even better than the original set up (from 3-4-3-2-1 to 3-4-3-0)

**I created and perfected “Antonio Conte 3-5-2 EDITED T22AM-ANCH v11” with my testing, however the credit for this one goes to the creator of “UMBRELLA PINBALL (TIKI-TAKA) 2323 T3 (14.3.1)”. It is a beautiful passing style tactic that worked only with one of my test teams. As I loved the positioning and the “CCC ratio” of “Antonio Conte by ARTISAN” I recreated this one with completely different roles but with the mentality of “Umbrella”.

I have included the results of the 4th media prediction team as well as the 12th media prediction team so you can see that some tactics performed great with these teams, and some performed pretty badly.

As I wanted to create a test result with an underdog (12th) and semi top (4th) combined though the above results are the main ones.
Included for download are both spreadsheets with all results,so you can review all test results yourself closely. All tactics in one download (at popular demand): http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=09188444207622544427 Spreadsheets: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=24007953815747163442

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=54682496402195997749 (spreadsheet only with "underdog team, media prediction 12th)
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Final results (after 50 matches played)


Most points:
  1. It's a mariolicious xmas tree 3-4-3-0 (3T’s) 125 *
  2. Mr Hough Bring CM Punk Back FM14.3.1 124
  3. VanGaalUtd 122
  4. Antonio Conte 3-5-2 EDITED T2 2AM-ANCH v11 121 **
  5. Danilo (original) 120
4-4-2 back to basic by andrichbrand120

Most goals scored:
  1. 4-4-2 back to basic by andrichbrand 147
  2. VanGaalUtd 146
  3. Arturo 140
  4. Steatons Total Annihilation v2 139
  5. Mr Hough Bring CM Punk Back FM14.3.1 136
Least goals conceded:
  1. TFF_UNREAL_V1 34
  2. It's a mariolicious xmas tree 3-4-3-0 (3T’s) 34 *
  3. Arte et Marte 36
  4. Antonio Conte 3-5-2 by ARTISAN 37
  5. Mr Hough Bring CM Punk Back FM14.3.1 37
Shots on target ratio:
  1. Danilo (original) 2.898648649
  2. Mr Hough Bring CM Punk Back FM14.3.1 2.827338129
  3. VanGaalUtd 2.77037037
  4. Antonio Conte 3-5-2 EDITED T2 2AM-ANCH v11 2.715384615 **
  5. It's a mariolicious xmas tree 3-4-2-1 (original) 2.710144928
CCC ratio:
  1. Antonio Conte 3-5-2 by Artisan 3.62
  2. Antonio Conte 3-5-2 EDITED T2 2AM-ANCH v11 3.53 **
  3. TFF EPIC v10 3.14
  4. Danilo (original) 3.08
  5. Arte et Marte 3.02

Overall the “control” “very fluid” tactics showed a better result in the tests.
*“It's a mariolicious xmas tree 3-4-3-0 (3T’s)” is an edited version of the original released by it’s creator. (I found out with testing that it works even better with 3 Trequartista's in AM roles than the original setup
**”Antonio Conte 3-5-2 EDITED T2 2AM-ANCH v11” is a tactic I created myself after finishing and analysing the test results. I made 15 versions of which “11” showed the most fluent play and results. The tactic is a mix between the formation of the “ARTISAN” setup and the OI’s preset and playing style of “UMBRELLA PINBALL (TIKI-TAKA) 2323 T3 (14.3.1)”. Umbrella didn’t make it to the final test as it was performing fantastic on my better team, but performed very poor on my underdog team.
 
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I want to post updates here but every time I get an error "Post denied. New posts are limited by number of URLs it may contain and checked if it doesn't contain forbidden words." Not sure what is going on.............................

Maybe that's the problem. Try to post a few less links or without forbidden words? By the way, your opening post looks great.
 
Maybe that's the problem. Try to post a few less links or without forbidden words? By the way, your opening post looks great.

There are no links in my posts ;-) So not sure why this is happening. I was able to edit my earlier post now with preliminary results, with all statistics in a spreadsheet snapshot. I posted it also on "community.sigames.com" in a thread with exact same name and it is a bit better quality picture there
 
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Quick question about Jassar's PPP 14.3.1. Is it home or away tactic?
 
Quick question about Jassar's PPP 14.3.1. Is it home or away tactic?
Good question! I tested both and found out that in my tests the HOME version worked best for home and away games. So I didn't use both versions (one for home games and other for away games) in the tests you see here.
 
Good question! I tested both and found out that in my tests the HOME version worked best for home and away games. So I didn't use both versions (one for home games and other for away games) in the tests you see here.
Thank you very much! And keep up the good work, this looks a fantastic idea
 
I updated the post with my "final" test results after 50 matches
 
What program should i use to read the files and see the results?
 
Only just seeing this thread for the first time. Excellent work. Must have taken a lot of time to complete
 
Do you have a link for your tweaked Artisan tactic?


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Wich tactic performed best when using the 14th media team?I think from this tests we could make a 3 tactics system with 1 underdog tactic 1 for overload(most goals) and 1 as basic(with most consistency).
 
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What program should i use to read the files and see the results?

The spreadsheets were made with Excel.
If you dont have that, Google it, i know there are other applications out there(some of them for free) that you can use to open them. The program that "packed it" is called "7z". You can download it for free here: http://www.7-zip.org/ After it is "unpacked" you will need Excel or another application to open it.
 
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Do you have a link for your tweaked Artisan tactic?


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Not yet, I will contact the maker of Umbrella Pinball and will ask him if its ok to share.
Even though I perfected and created the setup, personal duties and team instructions in many days of testing (over 15 versions tested), the frame work was copied in the start of it all from his tactic.

I wouldn't like to be called a "thief" or "copycat". ;-)

If he agrees I will start a separate thread for this.
 
Wich tactic performed best when using the 14th media team?I think from this tests we could make a 3 tactics system with 1 underdog tactic 1 for overload(most goals) and 1 as basic(with most consistency).

I will gather that info later this weekend from my individual spreadsheets from each tactic.
Basically, the tactics that score high overall after 50 matches but show a lower score in the 4th preduction summary, must be the "winners" at the underdog team.

Hope this makes sense, but will get back to you on this later!
 
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A3162 can u upload antonio conte edited version?
 
great job man,
I tested a lot of tactics and really tired to find the best, this thread must be help in the hard way of FM random system

YEAH, uploud Conte edited version, we wanna test it. Who care about copyrights, FM14 going to die, 15 soon
 
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