this tactic is pure without settings only position no mentalitet no instructions with what to do, she is in the role of layout
Kallemannen & ChristianEriksen - Ultimate 4231
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this tactic is pure without settings only position no mentalitet no instructions with what to do, she is in the role of layout
Yes
The biggest challenge is creating movement on the laternal AMCs so they can act more like wingers using the whole pitch
Or maybe try with as narrow pitch as possible
Good luck hoping to see a full tactic soon!
let me know if u wanna collab or somth
cheers
well, with this sorted out I hope if that'll let you know
2nd season in France and it seems that a team sitting deep can cause an issue. Got sucker punched by Lille in the last minute then had a man sent off at home to Toulouse and it seemed like i was going to-lose but drew 0-0. Only the 4th game i haven't scored in in 2 seasons.
At least it makes the season a bit more challenging knowing that you can get beaten every now and again but when the tactics this good.
It makes me think sometimes that player CA doesn't "seem" to have enough of an impression on matches and its 2 much from the actual tactic itself. Is it my imagination or does a good tactic work 2 well for teams? ie bad teams become good, good teams become unstoppable.
At least it makes the season a bit more challenging knowing that you can get beaten every now and again but when the tactics this good.
It makes me think sometimes that player CA doesn't "seem" to have enough of an impression on matches and its 2 much from the actual tactic itself. Is it my imagination or does a good tactic work 2 well for teams? ie bad teams become good, good teams become unstoppable.
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I keep getting the same player sent off atm, a right back with low aggression and dirtiness ratings. I think his wages for the next 2 months have gone towards fines lol poor guy. Bad discipline and tiredness is killing my team at bit this season.
European championships for senior and under 21 team, coupled with the Olympics and annoying nations league. I keep having players getting jaded so cant always field a full strength squad. Makes me thankful for a good u-19 side
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This tactic lived through a few patches but not it seems a little bit "done"
Although I think its still powerful
Got a new 4-2-3-1 coming up
My target with 3 amcs is just impossible for movement issues.. but atleast 2 AMCs I will try to get
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dont give up! im a liverpool fan and i love 3 amc's! keep going mate
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I will wait until FM16 mate
Hopefully, we can get some new roles for the semi-central amc slots
Cause for example Man City have used a lot, 3 AMCs, but they are very fluid, playing very wide, coming in, like Inside forwards.
So they need to give us different roles for semi-central amcs, 1 or 2 that differs from the "Central-central" AMC roles
Maybe I will refine the 4-2-3-1 Deep wide, cause I like wide 4-2-3-1 as well
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Have you tried the 3 AMC's version in the Delivering Art thread?
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can you post link to it please?
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I am looking for those tactics from the beginning of this topic. Please post present link...
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how is the tactics fairing guys?
Do they still work? maybe with new Set pieces and improved OI perhaps cause the tacticl system is really nice
Maybe combine with TFFs OI and set piece
Do they still work? maybe with new Set pieces and improved OI perhaps cause the tacticl system is really nice
Maybe combine with TFFs OI and set piece
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Just applied the 4231 wide tactic to my real betis save during a mid-season slump and am back to winning ways with two 1-1 draws and then 7 wins on the bounce 
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gonna plug and play 4 2 3 1 wide for my liverpool save
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I've been using Allen T's tweak (page 41 #401 I think), with some happy success. But, like most, even winning is not enough. I find my regista and advanced playmaker get low ratings and they're two position's that I think if you could squeeze more life out of them the formation could be more lethal.
I'm currently playing a joint web game with a friend, we're in our fourth season and I took over at Milan two and a half years ago from Arsenal, having previously been at Ternana and Bresica.
Current starting line up:
View attachment 235884
As can be seen, Cristante and Veratti are the only players avg less than 7. I've read through most of this thread and Allan T couldn't seem to find an answer (if there is one), and I've been trying to think of a way to get the AP playing better - not just a higher rating but assists and goals. Veratti has zero assists in 8 starts, which behind a pacy striker like Vietto I'd expect at least one through ball.
This Seasons results:
View attachment 235883
First thing to add here, the end game for me and my mate is to win Serie A, La Liga and Ligue 1 first. So, I've been playing my 2nd XI in the UCL - which has worked nice as I've been drawn amongst a seriously hard group. This is also Milans first European competition.
Anyway, The reason I'm posting is, in the last match @ Palermo, we were 1-0 up early, and the game stagnated a little, then my young 18 year old CB got sent off, and I swapped Veratti (AP) for a CB. After this we came to life a bit more, and without any extra attacking instructions. I was happy to let the tactic do its defensive best and crowd the central final third. I think, and could be wrong, and have only this one match to go on, but, but the AP is slowing the game down and drawing passes from near by players as he's in the middle, and passing is set to short and retain. This is acting like a sponge soaking up passes that without him, would be naturally more direct to wingers to the striker, or would allow the attacking players to be more direct in their own play, by dribbling or hitting a cross into the box. I also think that based on the short retained passing, the AP is unlikely to get assists as he won't be advanced enough, early enough to get through balls to the forward, so most/all of his passes will be to the wingers or when the striker has his back to goal.
Below is the movement report from our previous two games:
View attachment 235882
(Palermo left 6th 4-2-2)
(Cesena right 19th 1-0-7)
We can see here, on the game on the left (Palermo, no AP from 30mins on), that both the wingers and the full backs are much more lively in their dribbling, getting to the byline and hopefully behind the opposition defence.
Now, you'll have to take my word for it, as I'm not going to load up the video, but we won 3-2, and our second goal was El Shaarwary cutting in and striking the ball into the corner. I'm fairly convinced that had Veratti been there S.E.S. would have passed instead of dribbling and taking a shot.
So, moving on, this leads me to think that whilst the AP does a very good job, albeit over looked by the M.E. rating, in making and completing passes and recycling play, perhaps he is somewhat wasted and absorbing much of the attacking instincts of those around him.
Which leads to THE big question. What do you do with the AP? A second striker? Perhaps a deep lying forward or false nine? - Will this be the same as the AP but leaving a much bigger game in midfield? Perhaps dropping the AP back into MC and making him AP or DLP. Again, will this have the same effect, but magnified due to his deepness.
I'd love to know if any of you - Allen T? - have had similar thoughts or tried anything like this? I may make a spin off, with a MC to see how it progresses.
I'm currently playing a joint web game with a friend, we're in our fourth season and I took over at Milan two and a half years ago from Arsenal, having previously been at Ternana and Bresica.
Current starting line up:
View attachment 235884
As can be seen, Cristante and Veratti are the only players avg less than 7. I've read through most of this thread and Allan T couldn't seem to find an answer (if there is one), and I've been trying to think of a way to get the AP playing better - not just a higher rating but assists and goals. Veratti has zero assists in 8 starts, which behind a pacy striker like Vietto I'd expect at least one through ball.
This Seasons results:
View attachment 235883
First thing to add here, the end game for me and my mate is to win Serie A, La Liga and Ligue 1 first. So, I've been playing my 2nd XI in the UCL - which has worked nice as I've been drawn amongst a seriously hard group. This is also Milans first European competition.
Anyway, The reason I'm posting is, in the last match @ Palermo, we were 1-0 up early, and the game stagnated a little, then my young 18 year old CB got sent off, and I swapped Veratti (AP) for a CB. After this we came to life a bit more, and without any extra attacking instructions. I was happy to let the tactic do its defensive best and crowd the central final third. I think, and could be wrong, and have only this one match to go on, but, but the AP is slowing the game down and drawing passes from near by players as he's in the middle, and passing is set to short and retain. This is acting like a sponge soaking up passes that without him, would be naturally more direct to wingers to the striker, or would allow the attacking players to be more direct in their own play, by dribbling or hitting a cross into the box. I also think that based on the short retained passing, the AP is unlikely to get assists as he won't be advanced enough, early enough to get through balls to the forward, so most/all of his passes will be to the wingers or when the striker has his back to goal.
Below is the movement report from our previous two games:
View attachment 235882
(Palermo left 6th 4-2-2)
(Cesena right 19th 1-0-7)
We can see here, on the game on the left (Palermo, no AP from 30mins on), that both the wingers and the full backs are much more lively in their dribbling, getting to the byline and hopefully behind the opposition defence.
Now, you'll have to take my word for it, as I'm not going to load up the video, but we won 3-2, and our second goal was El Shaarwary cutting in and striking the ball into the corner. I'm fairly convinced that had Veratti been there S.E.S. would have passed instead of dribbling and taking a shot.
So, moving on, this leads me to think that whilst the AP does a very good job, albeit over looked by the M.E. rating, in making and completing passes and recycling play, perhaps he is somewhat wasted and absorbing much of the attacking instincts of those around him.
Which leads to THE big question. What do you do with the AP? A second striker? Perhaps a deep lying forward or false nine? - Will this be the same as the AP but leaving a much bigger game in midfield? Perhaps dropping the AP back into MC and making him AP or DLP. Again, will this have the same effect, but magnified due to his deepness.
I'd love to know if any of you - Allen T? - have had similar thoughts or tried anything like this? I may make a spin off, with a MC to see how it progresses.
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Hey I havent tried or analyzed allans tweak myself
Can you try the original tactic and se if the AP does the same stuff in that one?
But what you are saying is a possibilty cause of the DMs that sit deep
Its great that you notice such things so you can try to improve the tactic
An AM(s) could possibly solve it with some new PI
Can you try the original tactic and se if the AP does the same stuff in that one?
But what you are saying is a possibilty cause of the DMs that sit deep
Its great that you notice such things so you can try to improve the tactic
An AM(s) could possibly solve it with some new PI
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I have a solo Schalke game I could use to take a look, I dont want to disturb the team in a head to head game - these footballers are so fragile!
- could you repost the link to the version of the tactic you'd want testing please?