Koflok's Goals Galore 2012

[Name Changed]

LOL good first game I guess. Winning vs ManU here is almost a mirarcle.
They seem to be overpowered and Chica is too much. For an AI he got like 10 goals in 6 games or something.

I don't really get your screenshot but nonetheless thanks for the effort. Hopefully the tactic works well for ya.

And by the way you're using the beta one or the original one?

I was United so I was happy enough in the end! The tactic itself is working to a degree, I'm winning most games but not scoring too many goals.

I finally got the screenshot to work.

I don't even know what you mean when you talk about the beta one or original one! I am useless when it comes to computers.

 

[koflok]

I was just following on from my last post that you replied to - about Man City - I thought you would have remembered

Pre-season was all gravy, and in the community shield I beat Man Utd 2-1, then the first prem game was Man Utd as well and I beat them again, 2-1. But then it all turned pooh.

Specifically what I find has happened with the tactic is that the passing has all gone lethargic, teams are passing straight through me, and the front three are just toiling away doing nothing. The striker is way to deep, and we don't cut into the enemy defence at all.

My team is

GK Hart

FBR Zabeletta / Richards
DCR Kompany
DCL Samba / Lescott
FBL Clichy / Kolarov

DM De Jong / Hargreaves
MCL Toure / Eriksen
MCR Silva / Nasri

AMR Hulk / Aguero
STC Dzeko / Rossi
AML Krancjar / Di Natale / Aguero

Oh my bad. Short term memory loss lol
Well if you're using the BETA tactic, I'm working on the defense right now.
Since you're ManCit, play high d-line, put more pressing on the back four up by around 5-6 notches, and set offside trap.

Play Hulk as striker. He's godlike there. Rossi on AMR and Aguero on AML.

I notice you bought a lot of player. So the main issue might be players which hasn't gelled yet. (This happens also when I tried with Malaga). Try putting Focus Area on "Teamwork" on heavy duty so that they can get used to eachother fast.

Cheers.

I was United so I was happy enough in the end! The tactic itself is working to a degree, I'm winning most games but not scoring too many goals.

I finally got the screenshot to work.

I don't even know what you mean when you talk about the beta one or original one! I am useless when it comes to computers.

Oh what I meant by BETA and original is the version of the tactic.
Original tactic is the one I post on first page, and the download section.
BETA is the one I just released last night. It's a work in progress for the updated version of the original. Couple of tweaks here and there but highly unstable lol.

On that Tottenham match. Are the goals from Defoe and VdV coming from crosses, through balls or what?
The bright side is your front 3 is scoring like crazy haha

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I think I've finally cracked it!

I've gathered inputs from you guys as well as other testers in other forums. And again, I tweaked it all.
This time it seems right.

1. Make more possession and better plays from midfield
2. More dangerous set piece
3. Better defense
4. Not playing stupid long balls from the back
were the 4 key points I need to improve

Ok so for set piece, my Mertesacker got 10 goals from 12 matches. Pretty good I think.

The biggest chance is now the defense is at high d-line and at full pressing with offside trap.
Defensively it's good, as long as you got capable players.
More importantly, the d line forces mistakes from opp and allows us to get the ball faster.
Also the high line allows the back four to be more upfield during attacks. That way more control on the opposition field and better options for passing since they are closer to the midfield.

I made (again) changes to the fullback. Now they are more effective defensively and offensively.
They don't hold up the ball and just kick it forward now.
They start the play from keeper. Pass it around to the midfield. And run from deep helps them to become the extra men in midfield.

That, allows better play from midfield. The 3 midfielders are now playing the ball with fullbacks as well as wingers who are roaming to the back. So build up play is now a lot better.

One of the major changes I made was shorter passing for MCL so that he keep it simple, but through ball at always allow him to give through balls from deep when the chance arises.
The other major thing was run with ball of MCR is now at rarely. He doesn't just run the ball anymore. Now he doesn't really force to dribble and focus more on dictating plays and giving killer balls. Because he got high creative freedom he does dribble past opponent once in the while.
With the 3 midfielders on 'rarely' run with ball, it seems like they're playing one touch football at most times.

Nothing major is done to the front 3. Kinda confused whether setting through balls at always or sometimes for the striker.

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That being said, I'm gonna test it with 1 more team tomorrow. And hopefully upload and updated version of the tactic by Sunday.
After that I'm gonna take a break for ~1 week since I have final exam until the 10th.

Kof.

 

[Dazron]

I figured it might be the fluidity Kof, I am going to leave it on prepare while i go back to my old trusty 424, then come back to it when the players have gelled and see what happens.

 

[Melq]

I am in the middle of first season with Swansea, currently 12th but in the past few games i've struggled to create any chances, so i tought ill give your beta tactic a shot. Just finished my first game with it and i am truly amazed. Won against Man city at home 2-1 but the most impressive part were the CC stats - seven to nothing. Beautiful stuff.

 

[koflok]

Woah that's one of the best results I've ever seen. Beating Man City is one thing but with Swansea and those amounts of CCC and defense.

Nice mate! Hopefully it'll do well in your next games as well.

 

[c4sh]

Been testing the beta tactic with Barcelona, which should be the perfect team.

GK Valdes

FBR Alves
DCR Pique
DCL Thiago Silva
FBL Abidal

DM Mascherano
MCL Xavi/Fabregas
MCR Iniesta

AMR Messi
STC Villa
AML Sanchez

First in the league (played 30 matches), 11 points a head of R. Madrid. Playing Man Utd in the quarter final at the moment. The problem seems to be the defence, or more specific corners/free kicks. For example a 3-2 win at home against Sporting. Both goals against scored on def corner. Seems like a lot of the goals against comes within the last 10 minutes.

Offensive there's no problems with this team, as expected.

 

[koflok]

Yes true. Conceded late in the game mainly because of the high pressing game applied caused players to lose their stamina. Leaving as it is will means that the team keep attacking while being tired and with the opponent more likely to overload their attack, it's either us or them who's going to be conceded a goal. Since they are AI, they will prevail. haha

I would recommend to subs your player especially midf during the 60m mark.
And as you're winning you can try to lower the team mentality as well as making the fullback to defense.

I will definitely do a close up shop version as soon as I get the base tactic 'perfect'.

And yes defending against set pieces has always been my problem. Not just in this year's version.
If someone can help me with that, it would be great haha

P.S. try the attacking set piece I did on the BETA tactic.
With Xavi's cross and Pique head, there will be goals.

 

[W4NKER]

Having a good season so far with the tweaked version

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[koflok]

Cool. Thx ****** for testing it out. Got any suggestions so far?
How's the CCC? Defense seems good huh funny.

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I need some help guys
I'm trying to get my MCL to drop deep to get the ball. What should I change? Lower mentality or Run From Deep rarely?

thanks

 

[wkdsoul]

Do both, drop him back a couple of notches and if he runs from deep rarely use him as a quarter back midfielder just picking the ball off the defence and putting the plays in motion. Kinda like huddlestone or a NBA point guard lol..

cnt wait for the new one i need an alernate 4-5-1 for my san marino challenge game, got a great little poacher upfront. ^_^

 

[koflok]

Oh ok cool. But.
By doing that will he be 'at the back' the whole time?

I kinda need him to push forward a little so that when my MCR moves forward with the ball he's not all the way back.
It'll give him option to pass.

What I'm trying to achieve is like this: MCL drop deeps during initial build up from the back, giving back four option to pass and when my MCR got the ball, MCL shifts forward parallel with him. My Arteta (MCL) got 'Comes Deep to get ball' and i set him run from deep to mixed, so he's able to alternate between these two roles. I want to recreate this using tactic but it's kinda difficult.

 

[wkdsoul]

not sure how you keep them both as a unit, when the other has dropped to pick up the ball without giving them the same settings. run from deep sometimes, just under normal slider, but no running with ball??

 

[koflok]

I'm gonna test some settings right now.

Just updated the OP

Motivation and Substitution
Now something I just noticed recently is that MOTIVATION plays a big role whether a team will be successful or not, regardless the tactic used.

There is a massive difference when my team just 'Played Okay' an 'Playing with Motivation'. Usually when my players are 'Playing with Motivation' they can easily win 5-0, but when lacking interest, getting a 1-0 is a good result.

There is a tendency to player get motivated when you scored the first goal.

How to get player motivated from the start? I suggest looking for motivation guide in forums as I'm not expert in that area. However usually this is my Pep Talk

Pre-Match Team:
(Aggressive) I expect a Win
Pre-Match Individual:
If motivated, don't talk
If not motivated, (Passionately)I have faith in you

Half-Time Team:
When winning big, (Calm) Don't get complacent
When losing/drawing/winning 1-0/playing bad, (Aggressive) Team's pride at stake (or whatever on top)

Full-Time:
Winning, (Passionately) A very nice victory, well done
Losing/drawing (Aggressive) I'm dissapointed (or whatever on top)

Substitution
Substitute your players starting from 60 minute mark (unless someone is injured / picked up a knocked).

-> Never substitute your star player (in my case my striker), unless he's injured, tired (below 70%).

-> Look at your striker, wingers, MCR and MCL.
Substitute anyone who's 'Playing nervously' or 'Looked uninterested'.
If there is more than one, pick one the one who's not your star player.

-> Same as above, if any of those 5 players are playing with motivation,
but there is one of them who's 'Played okay', substitute him.

-> Look at your DMC, and to MCs,
if already picked up a yellow card and you feel he's going to be red-carded, substitute him.

 

[Name Changed]

Oh what I meant by BETA and original is the version of the tactic.
Original tactic is the one I post on first page, and the download section.
BETA is the one I just released last night. It's a work in progress for the updated version of the original. Couple of tweaks here and there but highly unstable lol.

On that Tottenham match. Are the goals from Defoe and VdV coming from crosses, through balls or what?
The bright side is your front 3 is scoring like crazy haha

Kof.

I was using the original.

There are coming from different areas. The first was a corner that got deflected out to Defoe who scored. One was a free kick. Another was a through ball. There was nothing in particular that stood out. I uploaded it (youtube) just in case you wanted to have a look.

Tottenham 5 - 6 Man Utd - Match Highlights - YouTube

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Download GoalsGalore2012.1 (BETA) (Arsenal, Oct 2011).tac

koflok, is this your latest upload or have you to update it?

 

[Dazron]

I've played a couple of games with your beta Koflok, it is much much improved... well done sir, more feedback soon.

 

[sefiruso]

The file seems to be damaged or in an unknwoin format for Winrar any ideas?

 

[Danyul]

I think I can help you out with defending set pieces. I've been using my own setup along with your tactic and I rarely concede from set pieces unless it's an individual mistake (poor marking, giving away a penalty..).

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I changed the attackers from 'form wall' to just 'go back', since they'll form a wall if it's needed automatically.

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This is where I made alot of changes based on what made sense to me. I put the inside forwards on the posts instead of the fullbacks, as the fullbacks have much better marking so this way they can benefit from it. The other major thing is I put the striker on the edge of the box. People tend to leave the striker forward, but countless times the ball has broke to the edge of the box and someone would've got a free shot off on goal normally, but with my striker there he hasn't got much of a chance to shoot.

How is the defense on the new tactic btw? Last season I went on a 40 odd unbeaten run, only lost 3 games all season and conceded around 18 in the league. But this season i've played 9 in the league and already conceded 11. Looking for ways to improve the defense but i'm worried about trying the high line with offside trap on your updated version as my defense isn't the quickest.

 

[hoosier7]

Firstly this is a great tactic! Won me many a game, my only issue is the many penalties i seem to conceed, would changing tackling to default instead of aggressive help or hinder the tactic?

A tip for anyone who wants to seal a game in the latter stages is to use Raikan007's might and magic tactic with a the away shouts in the thread. This tactic will take me 2 up easily but i'm prone to collapse so i always switch to M&M to seal it

 

[transferking]

koflok (or any other), do you feel is there a way to accomodate left-footed AML if ST is right-footed or not at all?
What will happen if AMR is also left-footed and cutting inside nicely? Will it be enough or not?

 

[koflok]

I was using the original.

There are coming from different areas. The first was a corner that got deflected out to Defoe who scored. One was a free kick. Another was a through ball. There was nothing in particular that stood out. I uploaded it (youtube) just in case you wanted to have a look.

Tottenham 5 - 6 Man Utd - Match Highlights - YouTube

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koflok, is this your latest upload or have you to update it?

Woah thanks for uploading it. Ok well basically the defense needs to be reworked which is what I'm doing right now

Yes that is the latest. I will release a new version based on response I received from that one.
Pretty much the same. Mainly some defensive tweaks

I've played a couple of games with your beta Koflok, it is much much improved... well done sir, more feedback soon.

Cool! Will be waiting for it

The file seems to be damaged or in an unknwoin format for Winrar any ideas?

No need to winrar. Just put it in your tactics folder

I think I can help you out with defending set pieces. I've been using my own setup along with your tactic and I rarely concede from set pieces unless it's an individual mistake (poor marking, giving away a penalty..).

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I changed the attackers from 'form wall' to just 'go back', since they'll form a wall if it's needed automatically.

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This is where I made alot of changes based on what made sense to me. I put the inside forwards on the posts instead of the fullbacks, as the fullbacks have much better marking so this way they can benefit from it. The other major thing is I put the striker on the edge of the box. People tend to leave the striker forward, but countless times the ball has broke to the edge of the box and someone would've got a free shot off on goal normally, but with my striker there he hasn't got much of a chance to shoot.

How is the defense on the new tactic btw? Last season I went on a 40 odd unbeaten run, only lost 3 games all season and conceded around 18 in the league. But this season i've played 9 in the league and already conceded 11. Looking for ways to improve the defense but i'm worried about trying the high line with offside trap on your updated version as my defense isn't the quickest.

Thanks for the setting. Will definitely test it out and probably implement it on the next version. Cheers

The new version have a better defense I think since we use high pressing and push up the d-line which limits opponent's play.
It somehow manage to increase our possession significantly.

That being said, it may have some trouble with over-the-top ball to high speed poacher like Bent or Chica, especially if you got slow defender. If you don't got quick defense just play a little deeper and turn off the offside trap.

Firstly this is a great tactic! Won me many a game, my only issue is the many penalties i seem to conceed, would changing tackling to default instead of aggressive help or hinder the tactic?

A tip for anyone who wants to seal a game in the latter stages is to use Raikan007's might and magic tactic with a the away shouts in the thread. This tactic will take me 2 up easily but i'm prone to collapse so i always switch to M&M to seal it

Awesome stuff. I don't see how changing the tackling would hinder the tactic significantly.
I just wouldn't change the front three and DMC's hard tackling though. Striker with hard tackling tend to get balls upfront and launch quick attack and harsh tackling DMC is needed to break up attacks
You can do whatever you want with the back four.

Just a heads up, I did change 'manually' the tackling slider so you can't just change tackling from Team Instruction tab.
You gotta change it manually in each player.

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koflok (or any other), do you feel is there a way to accomodate left-footed AML if ST is right-footed or not at all?
What will happen if AMR is also left-footed and cutting inside nicely? Will it be enough or not?

Well you may have that kind of set up as long as your AML is quick and have good finishing, with good off the ball movement. As his role is to score by shooting across the goal.
I don't see him being as effective as having 2 inside forwards though, but it is possible.

You will notice that AMR and ST will work with eachother better. And AML will mostly just shoot or do short passing.