Koflok's Goals Galore 2012

[justified]

Koflok,

1, I would definately try the DMC and MC's on hold up ball. In theory the three in the centre would hold onto the ball until the right option becomes available. Might help the possession some as well.
2, Combined this with the above would not rush any mistakes. Given the right amount of CF they would try and unlock the defence anyways.
3. I would have lower tempo for a 4-3-3 of this kind, I would say the lower normal end of the scale.
4. Narrow if you're playing with inside forwards. I think you already pinpointed the fact that they are too close to the touchline. The width should come from the fulbacks if playing with Inside forwards.

 

[AgentVinz]

Help me out guys for some stuffs.

1. I'm thinking about making my wingers and midfielders to hold up ball to not rush things. What do you think?
2. Also, currently my through balls are all on 'often'.
Do you think it's better to change it all to sometimes so that they don't just rush on their through pass?
3. I'm slowing down the tempo. Do you think it'll lead to lower CCC or better CCC since the team builds up better?
4. Wide vs narrow! I know wide stretches opp's defence, but it seems like the winger are not that dangerous because they're further away from the goal. The striker seems to having a difficulty in setting up diagonal passes to them.

Input please!

I'm not a great tactician but hope that I can help:
1. First you must decide what type of football you want to play. Control -possession based like Barca of swift attacking like Man Utd. Since in your OP you say possession is not important so I think not letting them to hold ball is better.
2. Do you want the midfield duo to be the creative force or the front 3?If the 1st one, then through balls often for the midfield duo.Also for the front 3, I suppose the wingers will be feeding the ball for the ST all the time?Then through balls often for the wingers and 'sometimes' for the ST.
3. It's the same as the 1st question,it depends whether you want to play a possession style or fast paced attacking one.But my theory is, slow tempo = more quality chances , but you'll get less shot, while fast tempo = lots of shot, but the quality is slightly worse than the slow tempo one because the players will rush things.
4. I assume that 'normal' works better, put the width slider to the middle but adjust it slightly to the right (a little wide)

 

[graggstar]

Im having no luck with my man city team not scored many but bright side not conceding many, but im on the verge of getting sacked cos im 7th in the league after playing 15 games heres my team

Hart gk
richards dr
clichy dl
toure drc
kompany dlc
de jong dm
modric ap
toure dlp
aguero aml
silva amr
dzeko st

 

[Yellowlittle]

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Going to still use your tactic, but with another team, worked well, losing only one game. But to be frank Russian League is boring.

For reference Eto'o is not too bad playing there, I feel the most important part of this tactic is probably midfield, and finding the right midfielders.

I will keep you posted on my next save, but any suggestions who to be?

 

[ross the red]

For all of thos having trouble with Liverpool its not that hard to adjust your team to this great tactic. I have two solid players in each positon at the moment

Gk - Reina
Rb - Johnson/Kelly
Lb - Enrique/Robinson
Cbr - Coates/Skrtel (Coates has been incredible for me in the first half of the first season)
Cbl - Agger/Carragher (Not great to play Carra here, get a younger cb and throw carra in the odd game)
Dm - Lucas/Spearing
Cml - Adam/Henderson
Cmr - Gerrard/Eriksen
Aml - Leandro/Kadlec
Amr - Downing/Adam Johnson
St - Suarez/Carroll

If anyone wants to know my transfers I sold
-Kuyt
-Maxi
-Bellamy
-Aurelio
-Doni

And brought in (All with installments as you get almost no budget)
-Adam Johnson 17m
-Kadlec 4m
-Leandro 8.5m
-Eriksen 10m

 

[Snypar]

You know when you said you can use 1 IF, as long as the other winger, and striker's preferred foot are the same. Should I change the role of the IF? Or leave it?

i.e. Downing on the right, being an inside forward. On the left, I have Mata, and up-front I have Rossi (both left-footed). Should I leave Mata as an IF?

 

[koflok]

Koflok,

1, I would definately try the DMC and MC's on hold up ball. In theory the three in the centre would hold onto the ball until the right option becomes available. Might help the possession some as well.
2, Combined this with the above would not rush any mistakes. Given the right amount of CF they would try and unlock the defence anyways.
3. I would have lower tempo for a 4-3-3 of this kind, I would say the lower normal end of the scale.
4. Narrow if you're playing with inside forwards. I think you already pinpointed the fact that they are too close to the touchline. The width should come from the fulbacks if playing with Inside forwards.

I'm not a great tactician but hope that I can help:
1. First you must decide what type of football you want to play. Control -possession based like Barca of swift attacking like Man Utd. Since in your OP you say possession is not important so I think not letting them to hold ball is better.
2. Do you want the midfield duo to be the creative force or the front 3?If the 1st one, then through balls often for the midfield duo.Also for the front 3, I suppose the wingers will be feeding the ball for the ST all the time?Then through balls often for the wingers and 'sometimes' for the ST.
3. It's the same as the 1st question,it depends whether you want to play a possession style or fast paced attacking one.But my theory is, slow tempo = more quality chances , but you'll get less shot, while fast tempo = lots of shot, but the quality is slightly worse than the slow tempo one because the players will rush things.
4. I assume that 'normal' works better, put the width slider to the middle but adjust it slightly to the right (a little wide)

Thank you so much guys for the inputs.

I guess I kinda lost my way a little there. Suddenly getting all excited over posession. I guess I was inspired and a little intimidated by the fact that other tactics have done briliantly with possession and control.

But I'm over that. I just re-realized that my main point as always is to attack, regardless of how many passes your player makes.
CCCs are my standard.

__

So currently I'm tweaking some stuffs. Thought I just gonna let you guys know a little update.

First is regarding the fullback. It was a 'problem' in the tactic. The were stagnant and freaked out when pressured and just pump the ball upfield.
What I did to them now is allowing them to run with ball (at sometimes), and make them hold up ball. Being the start of the attack I think it's better for them to keep possession while dragging opposition in before unleashing it to midfielder.

Secondly is the mentality of the team. I changed from 'fluid' to 'balanced'. I know it seems lame but it actually make the flow better. There are now (litte) gaps between position and my 2 midfielders are not that much apart now.

I let my MCR (playmaker) to roam from position. He's brilliant doing that so far. More chances are created.

Regarding the creative force. Final assists have always come from the wingers or the striker itself to wingers. Therefore I think I'm gonna keep them at always through ball. Same goes to my playmaker.

The MCL is more of a tempo dictator. Currently it's on always through ball. Should I change it to sometimes instead?

I've made other little tweaks here and there of course. And regarding width - tempo. I'm sticking with narrow to allow my wingers becoming scoring threat. As for tempo, currently it's still on quick. However I'm playing around with it right now.

Cheers

Im having no luck with my man city team not scored many but bright side not conceding many, but im on the verge of getting sacked cos im 7th in the league after playing 15 games heres my team

Hart gk
richards dr
clichy dl
toure drc
kompany dlc
de jong dm
modric ap
toure dlp
aguero aml
silva amr
dzeko st

Weird, it should fit fine with City.
Try playing Aguero as the striker. And Balotelli on AML?

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Going to still use your tactic, but with another team, worked well, losing only one game. But to be frank Russian League is boring.

For reference Eto'o is not too bad playing there, I feel the most important part of this tactic is probably midfield, and finding the right midfielders.

I will keep you posted on my next save, but any suggestions who to be?

Hmm thanks for sticking with his tactic bro. Great help!
I don't know any spesific teams. But try an dark horse team in a top league.
Like Aston Villa or Newcastle in PL. Napoli or Udinese in Serie A. Or even spend like crazy with Malaga. (I would recommend it though since there will be no time to make the player get used to eachother with a lot of spending)

For all of thos having trouble with Liverpool its not that hard to adjust your team to this great tactic. I have two solid players in each positon at the moment

Gk - Reina
Rb - Johnson/Kelly
Lb - Enrique/Robinson
Cbr - Coates/Skrtel (Coates has been incredible for me in the first half of the first season)
Cbl - Agger/Carragher (Not great to play Carra here, get a younger cb and throw carra in the odd game)
Dm - Lucas/Spearing
Cml - Adam/Henderson
Cmr - Gerrard/Eriksen
Aml - Leandro/Kadlec
Amr - Downing/Adam Johnson
St - Suarez/Carroll

If anyone wants to know my transfers I sold
-Kuyt
-Maxi
-Bellamy
-Aurelio
-Doni

And brought in (All with installments as you get almost no budget)
-Adam Johnson 17m
-Kadlec 4m
-Leandro 8.5m
-Eriksen 10m

Thanks for the help bro.
I know for some user Liverpool hasn't been really fit with the tactic but I'm glad it's working out for ya.

You know when you said you can use 1 IF, as long as the other winger, and striker's preferred foot are the same. Should I change the role of the IF? Or leave it?

i.e. Downing on the right, being an inside forward. On the left, I have Mata, and up-front I have Rossi (both left-footed). Should I leave Mata as an IF?

Just keep it as IF. While the instructions are the same, in game his movement will be different and act more of a second striker shadowing the main striker from wide areas.

Cheers

 

[Yellowlittle]

Decided to try it with spurs, think they have the perfect midfielders for it in modric huddlestone and parker. what budget do you actually get at malaga?

 

[AgentVinz]

Thank you so much guys for the inputs.

I guess I kinda lost my way a little there. Suddenly getting all excited over posession. I guess I was inspired and a little intimidated by the fact that other tactics have done briliantly with possession and control.

But I'm over that. I just re-realized that my main point as always is to attack, regardless of how many passes your player makes.
CCCs are my standard.

__

So currently I'm tweaking some stuffs. Thought I just gonna let you guys know a little update.

First is regarding the fullback. It was a 'problem' in the tactic. The were stagnant and freaked out when pressured and just pump the ball upfield.
What I did to them now is allowing them to run with ball (at sometimes), and make them hold up ball. Being the start of the attack I think it's better for them to keep possession while dragging opposition in before unleashing it to midfielder.

Secondly is the mentality of the team. I changed from 'fluid' to 'balanced'. I know it seems lame but it actually make the flow better. There are now (litte) gaps between position and my 2 midfielders are not that much apart now.

I let my MCR (playmaker) to roam from position. He's brilliant doing that so far. More chances are created.

Regarding the creative force. Final assists have always come from the wingers or the striker itself to wingers. Therefore I think I'm gonna keep them at always through ball. Same goes to my playmaker.

The MCL is more of a tempo dictator. Currently it's on always through ball. Should I change it to sometimes instead?

I've made other little tweaks here and there of course. And regarding width - tempo. I'm sticking with narrow to allow my wingers becoming scoring threat. As for tempo, currently it's still on quick. However I'm playing around with it right now.

Cheers

1. I was having the same problem with fullbacks. They often try stupid long pass instead just laying it to our winger/cm. What I do then is set their 'run with ball' to rarely, low CF and passing to the shortest. I want my fullback to not involved in attack too much, just keeping it simple by passing it straight forward. Despite all of my setting they still occassionally try stupid long ball but I think this is ME problem. Might try hold up ball for them but I think the risks are they will backpass a lot, and when holding the ball may get tackled by oppostiion winger.

2. I dont understand that you say MCR is your playmaker, but the MCL is tempo dictator? What I know is playmaker = the dictator of the team. OR do you mean the MCL is just a 'passer' who just keep it simple by retaining the possession?

3. Does your MCL misplace lots of passes? If yes then changing his through ball to 'sometimes' may be better so he'll just keep it simple

 

[UserTR]

Great Tactic,Playing with VFB STUTTGART Great Results..

 

[koflok]

1. I was having the same problem with fullbacks. They often try stupid long pass instead just laying it to our winger/cm. What I do then is set their 'run with ball' to rarely, low CF and passing to the shortest. I want my fullback to not involved in attack too much, just keeping it simple by passing it straight forward. Despite all of my setting they still occassionally try stupid long ball but I think this is ME problem. Might try hold up ball for them but I think the risks are they will backpass a lot, and when holding the ball may get tackled by oppostiion winger.

2. I dont understand that you say MCR is your playmaker, but the MCL is tempo dictator? What I know is playmaker = the dictator of the team. OR do you mean the MCL is just a 'passer' who just keep it simple by retaining the possession?

3. Does your MCL misplace lots of passes? If yes then changing his through ball to 'sometimes' may be better so he'll just keep it simple

1. Yeah well other than making the tempo REALLY slow I don't know what else I can do. No use to wholly change the tactic just because of this issue. So far I'm using same as your setting, other than passing which are not that short. The key is to give options of passes to fullback. Midfielder or center back must be not that far and is not closed down. It's again those teams who close down the whole pitch is the problem

2. Yeah my bad. That's what I meant. MCL's main job is to connect with the fullback and retain possession. While MCR dictate the plays and making forward runs.

3. Not really. Yeah I'm just gonna have it at often since he's making key passes from deep as well.

I've tweaked some stuff and the results were great. Well it was only against Wigan but still it's 6-0 and they hardly had a chance on goal. Plenty of chances and possession. And the passing isn't bad at all. Controlling the midfield and the build up was pretty nice. Could've more pass but the front 3 is set up to dribble so
yeah.

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Great Tactic,Playing with VFB STUTTGART Great Results..

Glad it's working for ya.
Mind sharing some match results bro?

 

[Spikester]

koflok

What tweaks did you make to the tactic?

 

[koflok]

I made changes to set pieces. Corners, freekicks, throw ins are now not as wasteful as before.
I changed some mentality of the players.
Made huge changes to fullbacks. Increased their RWB, make them hold up ball.
Change backline's passing to shorter. Make them build up from the back (you can use play from back shout for this)
Hold up to DMC.
and some other small stuffs.

Will be up on the next update of tactic as usual.

However it has only been couple of games. I need to play some more to really see the effect.

Couple of things I need to figure out.
1. Thinking about make the d-line more push up. That way more possession is played upfront instead of way back.
2. One thing I'm not sure is to whether let the fullback hold up the ball. It's doing well but something doesn't feel right with that settings.
3. And hold up ball currently is for DMC and MCL. I dunno whether I should give to which one, or both of them.
FYI, DMC's role in attack is to provide option for fullback and just feed the ball to MCL/MCR. Keeping it simple. While MCL is an option of pass as well, but he decide whether initiates the attack and giving it to the playmaker or just play it around in the midfield for a little bit.
4. The front 3 is doing really well as usual. But I would like to see more passing. Confused whether I should decreased their run with ball.

 

[Spikester]

koflok

Post up some more results with these tweaks, once you have played a few more games.

Steve

 

[Anesthetize]

Hi Koflok! I watched your tactic in FM11 gain a somewhat high successrate, so I wanted to give your FM12 tactic a swing!
Currently playing first season as Leeds in Championship, and I have somewhat "mixed" results so far. Mind you, im placed on 2nd place after 21 games, so it is definitely working, however there are still several aspects of the play that I am slightly worried about. First off, I don't really get that many Clear cuts as I would like, and a lot of my points come from corner goals, which, as we all know, help a lot
Matches are all very even, and it usually ends with me edging the opponent out by a hair at 90 minutes.

I score a lot of goals, but I also concede a fair bit. 48 goals for and 31 against, to be exact. Reading tops with 61 goals scored and 33 against, so it's nothing inhuman. I would very much like to concede less though, as it is one of the factors that make the matches so "exciting".
Right now I am playing with the straight up tactic. I did dabble in your tweaks (Balanced mentality, the fullback settings you mentioned) but they more or less ruin the tactic for me, not creating anything and conceding way more. Also the MCR Roam from position seems to make things worse.

I do understand that it is probably down to me playing a CCC team, which logically should have a harder time with this tactic (as it is very quick paced), and it might just be the tempo messing it up for me. Normal tactic works fine though, I'm not complaining.

One more question, I am playing with Cormack (right footed) on AML, Snodgrass on AMR (left footed) and Soukouna as striker. Soukouna is doing a **** of a job, but whenever i try to play Sanogo he is totally out of it. 3 goals in 10 matches isnt anything to brag about, although I feel like he should be able to do fine in this tactic. Any ideas?

Anyway, I'm gonna keep using this and see how it fares as a lower level team in PL, and give you more feedback. However, if I was to suggest anything to focus on right now, it's the defensive-midfield play. Especially the MC's arent making that much use out of themselves as they could, and they really seem to have difficulties playing themselves forward instead of just knocking it up on Soukouna or a winger. Granted, it does somewhat work, but it's a bit too random right now, if you know what I mean. Its relying solely on the speed and off the ball of my wingers/strikers, which is good, but I'd like there to be other aspects of the game as well.

Just my five cents, hope you get major success in FM12 as well!

 

[koflok]

Hi Koflok! I watched your tactic in FM11 gain a somewhat high successrate, so I wanted to give your FM12 tactic a swing!
Currently playing first season as Leeds in Championship, and I have somewhat "mixed" results so far. Mind you, im placed on 2nd place after 21 games, so it is definitely working, however there are still several aspects of the play that I am slightly worried about. First off, I don't really get that many Clear cuts as I would like, and a lot of my points come from corner goals, which, as we all know, help a lot
Matches are all very even, and it usually ends with me edging the opponent out by a hair at 90 minutes.

I score a lot of goals, but I also concede a fair bit. 48 goals for and 31 against, to be exact. Reading tops with 61 goals scored and 33 against, so it's nothing inhuman. I would very much like to concede less though, as it is one of the factors that make the matches so "exciting".
Right now I am playing with the straight up tactic. I did dabble in your tweaks (Balanced mentality, the fullback settings you mentioned) but they more or less ruin the tactic for me, not creating anything and conceding way more. Also the MCR Roam from position seems to make things worse.

I do understand that it is probably down to me playing a CCC team, which logically should have a harder time with this tactic (as it is very quick paced), and it might just be the tempo messing it up for me. Normal tactic works fine though, I'm not complaining.

One more question, I am playing with Cormack (right footed) on AML, Snodgrass on AMR (left footed) and Soukouna as striker. Soukouna is doing a **** of a job, but whenever i try to play Sanogo he is totally out of it. 3 goals in 10 matches isnt anything to brag about, although I feel like he should be able to do fine in this tactic. Any ideas?

Anyway, I'm gonna keep using this and see how it fares as a lower level team in PL, and give you more feedback. However, if I was to suggest anything to focus on right now, it's the defensive-midfield play. Especially the MC's arent making that much use out of themselves as they could, and they really seem to have difficulties playing themselves forward instead of just knocking it up on Soukouna or a winger. Granted, it does somewhat work, but it's a bit too random right now, if you know what I mean. Its relying solely on the speed and off the ball of my wingers/strikers, which is good, but I'd like there to be other aspects of the game as well.

Just my five cents, hope you get major success in FM12 as well!

First of all thanks for sticking with the tactic although it may not lived up to your initial expectation. I've been testing it with first division team so it's good that someone is testing it on Leeds. And also thanks for the detailed inputs. Appreciated.

Regarding the tweaks I mentioned (balanced mentality, fullback settings, roaming) please don't do that just yet. It hasn't really been tested out yet. I currently scratched that settings out and back to the drawing boards.

I don't open my FM right now so I'm not sure but if I'm not mistaken isn't Sanogo is a more of a targetman striker? I think a pacy, dribbling striker is more suitable for this tactic.

And yes I've been working with the flow of the MCs. I've had good results with Arsenal and Napoli though and the two MCs are performing quite well - controlling the pass and all. But yeah on some games when pressured they may seemed loss. I may need to work on that. I think the key is to keep the settings of the front three but at the same time make the other players closer to eachother - which is really an issue due to the fact that the front three have a lot of run from deep. I'm thinking about making the d-line more push up.


This is just a hypothesis. I've tested it once or twice. Try doing this.
0. Delete all the settings I mentioned earlier (mentality, roaming MCR, etc)
1. Set RFD to wingers to mixed. Make their role Advanced Playmaker - Attack. It's mainly to lower their mentality and making them closer to midfield.
2. Make sure the playmaker is MCR
3. Hold up to DMC and MCL
4. Set CB passing to shortest, DRL and DMC to 3 notch from left. MC and AMRL 5 notch from left.
5. D-line set to first notch of push up.

And funny that corner helps you a lot. I haven't really set up anything in set pieces for this tactic.

See how it goes. Cheers

 

[Anesthetize]

Well, Sanogo is good at pretty much everything after a while. Granted, he is strong as ****, and only at 14/13 acc/pace in the beginning (at 18), but seeing as I'm playing in Championship, I'd expect it to be enough for some goals at least. Anyway, Soukouna is working really good still!

I actually did some tweaks myself now, to make it look more like my 4-2-4 tactic (similar to houghs final tactic of 11.3).
I noticed how the MCL had very little freedom of movement, so I gave him offensive runs often, but still rarely with ball. Also, I upped the closing down on both central midfielders, and it seems to be working out really well. Also, I think the Inside forwards would gain a lot from doing more runs with ball, especially if they are very quick/technically gifted. I also gave them direct passing. This has also made the tactic more effective for me. (3-1 vs Reading away and 4-0 vs. Forest). I will try those settings later if this one gives me problems, but right now its working like a charm, so I'm gonna keep it like this for a while!

And yes, the corner isn't the default one I do the DCR Attack Near Post, and rest on Lurk outside area (except 2 on back if needed). Same as FM11 and I still score a shitload of goals from it. I don't like it though, I want my goals to come from great play, not great corners

 

[koflok]

Does the AMRL still feeds through balls to the striker with run with ball often?
I used to gave my AMRL run with ball often
and a more direct passing so that they would give killer balls instead of passing it around.
Didn't know why I stop doing it this time

However, thanks for the input I will try it later. And it's nice that you're trying out your tweakings.
I encourage everyone to do the same instead of just plug and play.

 

[Anesthetize]

Yes, I keep wingers on through balls often as it encourages them to cut inside more than moving into channels, also gives them more opportunity for shots. I also reduced striker through balls to sometimes, as it looked like he sometimes chooses to through ball instead of shooting in a good position, and since my striker is my best finisher I like him to be at the end of the play instead of a winger with 10-13 in finishing and 8 in composure. This is probably something you have to decide from your players though. If you have Ronaldo on your wing there is no reason for your striker not to have through balls often.

 

[wkdsoul]

i like the sound if anesth rework, you gonna throw it up? for d/l i could use a nice alternate 3rd formation for my all english stoke tea..