Most Comprehensive Tactic Test in FM-Base History

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Thank you boys, great work!

First thing, sorry for my English. Advise you to pick parts of differents tactics together? For example, the best tactic in points + the best corner goals scored? And also a 2 tactics: Best home tactic + Best away tactic?

I hope you can help me
 
SoccerBassie said:
Thank you boys, great work!

First thing, sorry for my English. Advise you to pick parts of differents tactics together? For example, the best tactic in points + the best corner goals scored? And also a 2 tactics: Best home tactic + Best away tactic?

I hope you can help me
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You can try, but there is no guarantee that a set piece instruction in one tactic will work the same in another. This is because of different formation, TI's and PI's. These also affect set pieces. Also, the tactics create a different AMOUNT of corners, free kicks etc. And there is no statistic on that... Best Home and best away tactics you can find in the spreadsheet.
 
Thank you MR L!

I read the spreasheet, but i aksed it wrong. I mean is it good to play with these 2 tactics (Best home/Best away) in one career for the different matches(home/away)?

And i was curious for the % goal scored from corners. I mean: Total Corners -/- Corners scored = %

"Hopefully I'll ever even speak good english"
 
SoccerBassie said:
Thank you MR L!

I read the spreasheet, but i aksed it wrong. I mean is it good to play with these 2 tactics (Best home/Best away) in one career for the different matches(home/away)?

And i was curious for the % goal scored from corners. I mean: Total Corners -/- Corners scored = %

"Hopefully I'll ever even speak good english"
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Sure, you can try home/away tactic set based on that, but you would need a lot of players in different positions to pull that off :)

There are no statistics in the game for total corners, sadly...
 
Mr Langvatn said:
None of the tactics tested are bad. It's just that when you test all the TOP tactics (we don't test tactics that haven't been confirmed very promising), someone is going to be on the lower end of the table... If you believe we would see a massive difference with OI's, send me a screenshot of them, and I can try in one of the databases to confirm.
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How would you explain my tactic scoring very high with Will's tests though, whilst only scoring "mediocore" in your database? I'm satisfied with the result nonetheless and you provided me with amazing information which I'm too lazy to gather myself lol, it really pinpoints many weaknesses and opens a lot of potential for me. Don't see this as an attack, it isn't. I'm just curious why my tactic for example, scores top 3 in Will's tests, when technically it shouldn't.. if you look at the amount of injuries and cards I gain with The Anchor.

It might be OI, although with Anchor V1, I gave "personal instructions" to my defenders, I didn't do this in my next "not yet released" tactic, OI REALLY matters in that one ;p
 
Loaxx said:
How would you explain my tactic scoring very high with Will's tests though, whilst only scoring "mediocore" in your database? I'm satisfied with the result nonetheless and you provided me with amazing information which I'm too lazy to gather myself lol, it really pinpoints many weaknesses and opens a lot of potential for me. Don't see this as an attack, it isn't. I'm just curious why my tactic for example, scores top 3 in Will's tests, when technically it shouldn't.. if you look at the amount of injuries and cards I gain with The Anchor.

It might be OI, although with Anchor V1, I gave "personal instructions" to my defenders, I didn't do this in my next "not yet released" tactic, OI REALLY matters in that one ;p
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The reason for different results is that we remove all the randomness in the game that can be removed, while Will "believes" in keeping those random elements, because they are there in a normal game. Well, I won't comment any more on that... In addition, we test 124 matches, vs Will's 50. So, there is an extreme accuracy difference here.

That said, there are no bad tactics in our test, as we only test the top tactics of this forum (and later other forums).

We test without OI's, so that everyone can use the tactics we test. FM full mode and FM Touch. Having one "with oi's" table and one "without oi's" table would be double the amount of work :)
 
Mr Langvatn said:
The reason for different results is that we remove all the randomness in the game that can be removed, while Will "believes" in keeping those random elements, because they are there in a normal game. Well, I won't comment any more on that... In addition, we test 124 matches, vs Will's 50. So, there is an extreme accuracy difference here.

That said, there are no bad tactics in our test, as we only test the top tactics of this forum (and later other forums).

We test without OI's, so that everyone can use the tactics we test. FM full mode and FM Touch. Having one "with oi's" table and one "without oi's" table would be double the amount of work :)
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Yeah, I know that's pretty much impossible to do for all tactics, but for the sake of proving OI matters or not <3
I honestly don't know if it actually helps the game or not, it feels like it does though. From the experiences I've had.
 
Loaxx said:
Yeah, I know that's pretty much impossible to do for all tactics, but for the sake of proving OI matters or not <3
I honestly don't know if it actually helps the game or not, it feels like it does though. From the experiences I've had.
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From my experiences, they don't matter that much, and often they disturb the tactical plan more than they help. But we will see :)
 
Mr Langvatn said:
Sure, I'll run a test in one of the databases. But remember if the difference is like 10 points, it could be due to leftover randomness.
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Haha, I honestly couldn't care less if it were 10 more or less. I personally had amazing results with my own tactic, which is why I felt the need to share it. I don't aim to get the absolute best tactic on here. I don't know if there can be an absolute best tactic to be fair lol.

I noticed my tactic for example struggles a lot with 4231 DM wide (from Will's test), so obviously it comes down to which formation you're playing too for example. He repeatedly played vs 4 teams, each using a different formation, I tied or lost nearly every game vs 4231DM wide

I really appreciate what you're doing here, it's wonderful work and I'm sure this is as accurate as a test can be on FM.
 
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Loaxx said:
Haha, I honestly couldn't care less if it were 10 more or less. I personally had amazing results with my own tactic, which is why I felt the need to share it. I don't aim to get the absolute best tactic on here. I don't know if there can be an absolute best tactic to be fair lol.

I noticed my tactic for example struggles a lot with 4231 DM wide (from Will's test), so obviously it comes down to which formation you're playing too for example. He repeatedly played vs 4 teams, each using a different formation, I tied or lost nearly every game vs 4231DM wide
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If you read the front page, we have also stated that it is impossible to determine a tactic as "the best". There is still randomness in the game even though we remove everything that we can. In our test, there are 31 different opposition teams, who run different formations. It's just a much more versatile test. Testing 30 matches vs one formation is useless when testing/creating tactics. Also, in Will's test, he has handpicked a few formations that the test team will face. There is a much bigger variety in our test. Another thing in Will's test, is that all the teams have equal reputation. This means that no teams will fall back and defend with the whole team vs you, and no teams will overly attack your team. When every team has same reputation, it creates a very wrong environment for a tactic test in my opinion...

This is by no means of disrespect to Will, we just have different opinions... And about the amount of matches, it is not possible to do as many as us as a solo tester.
 
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Mr Langvatn said:
If you read the front page, we have also stated that it is impossible to determine a tactic as "the best". There is still randomness in the game even though we remove everything that we can. In our test, there are 31 different opposition teams, who run different formations. It's just a much more versatile test. Testing 30 matches vs one formation is useless when testing/creating tactics. Also, in Will's test, he has handpicked a few formations that the test team will face. There is a much bigger variety in our test. Another thing in Will's test, is that all the teams have equal reputation. This means that no teams will fall back and defend with the whole team vs you, and no teams will overly attack your team. When every team has same reputation, it creates a very wrong environment for a tactic test in my opinion...
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Agreed 100%

How exactly would I run my own tests with your database? Do you vacation towards games? Do you have a macro of some sort running the test? Atm, what I do is.. open up a new season, plug in tactic, fix OI.. and vacation towards every game -> quick result, but this way of "testing", in a not so accurate environment, takes over a hour to complete. I just wonder if there's a faster way? There must be.. you've tested over 20 tactics lol.
 
Loaxx said:
Agreed 100%

How exactly would I run my own tests with your database? Do you vacation towards games? Do you have a macro of some sort running the test? Atm, what I do is.. open up a new season, plug in tactic, fix OI.. and vacation towards every game -> quick result, but this way of "testing", in a not so accurate environment, takes over a hour to complete. I just wonder if there's a faster way? There must be.. you've tested over 20 tactics lol.
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We go on holiday between matches and use simulate match. The reason this is alot faster is because I have removed all media, all subscriptions, all competitions in the whole world. So the only thing for the CPU to think about is the test league. Takes 2 seconds from match to match. We are also 3 testers who have probably spent 8 hours a day doing this...
 
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very interesting reading keep up the good work.

there are definetly alot of similarities between alot of tactics you tested and that I tested which to me suggests that both methods of testing have there merits.
 
Ah cool, I'll try that out. Thanks again for all the effort you've put into this, this is a goldmine of data.


@Will, yeah, yours didn't crush all my hopes and dreams. HAHA. Kidding. (A)
I think, for being a new player to FM, for that being my very first tactic, it stands pretty ******' well between those powerhouses. Hehe. Definitely if you look at the positions I've been using, made my tactic available for every league, that's the point though, as I love LLM.
 
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Loaxx said:
Ah cool, I'll try that out. Thanks again for all the effort you've put into this, this is a goldmine of data.


@Will, yeah, yours didn't crush all my hopes and dreams. HAHA. Kidding. (A)
I think, for being a new player to FM, for that being my very first tactic, it stands pretty ******' well between those powerhouses. Hehe. Definitely if you look at the positions I've been using, made my tactic available for every league, that's the point though, as I love LLM.
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I've started testing with OI's on yours. Will finish it tomorrow morning. Now it's off to bed! :)
 
Mr Langavatn, do you have data for CCC? I think it`s a somewhat important stat that could make a difference when points are so near each other.
 
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