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I see good reviews on TFF's new tactic, "Beast". Adding it to test list
Looking forward to the results!
Mr Langvatn's Tactic Center for FM17
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Looking forward to the results!
Best one for me. (H) I'll be disappointed if it has low points.
I see good reviews on TFF's new tactic, "Beast". Adding it to test list
It won't, it's a 3CD tactic... I guess the trend is on, now...
I am 99% sure that 3412/343 tactics cannot be beaten until a patch nerfes the formation.
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MRL[h=1]WHEELS OF FIRE 3412 IWB Knap has updated to v2 ..tested plsI see good reviews on TFF's new tactic, "Beast". Adding it to test list
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I see good reviews on TFF's new tactic, "Beast". Adding it to test list
The test results have just been posted, but unfortunately average results...
[h=1] TESTED Beast[/h]
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[TH="align: left"]Team[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Formation[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Games[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]TotP[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]HP[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]AP[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]GS[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]GC[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Diff[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]RATING[/TH]
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[TD]SubTop[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_module"]3-4-1-2[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_nom"]90[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_tp"]145[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_hp"]83[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_ap"]62[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_gs"]170[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_gc"]110[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_diffg"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: st_tactic_rank"]57[/TD]
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[TD]Underdog[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_module"]3-4-1-2[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_nom"]90[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_tp"]123[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_hp"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_ap"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_gs"]141[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_gc"]138[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_diffg"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: un_tactic_rank"]47[/TD]
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[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_module"]3-4-1-2[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_nom"]180[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_tp"]268[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_hp"]146[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_ap"]122[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_gs"]311[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_gc"]248[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_diffg"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: tactic_rank"]52[/TD]
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We actually consider 250+ rating a very good tactic. With 268 it's definitely a very good tactic
Our star system reflects this also! 4 stars is great!And, also remember that our test is pretty much an underdog test, and will not necessarily reflect how the tactic performs with better teams.
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There is no need to post requests for knap's tactics here, as he is posting all his new creations directly on our site, so they will always be tested
Yeah, not bad, it's just that I had higher hopes for that one. People were saying it was TFF better tactic, but test results are on par with his other tactics.We actually consider 250+ rating a very good tactic. With 268 it's definitely a very good tactic
And, also remember that our test is pretty much an underdog test, and will not necessarily reflect how the tactic performs with better teams.
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There can still be a big difference in a specific league
But that won't show in our test.Xlapatsas10
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mate i cant understand how all these gyus perfoming so well with the beast..i played a few games i have success but not this that they are talking aabout...343 and 3412 from stephen are the best for me so far...and next the warpigs from knap
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Thanks for testing! I'm curious, how do you do your testing? Is there anywhere to read about it?
I just did a very simple simulation test of the Watford 3-4-3 v2 VS TTFs Beast with Liverpool. Watford tactic won the league 9 points down to Arsenal while Arsenal won with 4 points on the Beast sim. So that's pretty much in line with your results is guess.
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Thanks for testing! I'm curious, how do you do your testing? Is there anywhere to read about it?
I just did a very simple simulation test of the Watford 3-4-3 v2 VS TTFs Beast with Liverpool. Watford tactic won the league 9 points down to Arsenal while Arsenal won with 4 points on the Beast sim. So that's pretty much in line with your results is guess.
Tactic Testing Process at MrlTactics
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Great read. Interesting variations to take into considerations
Thanks for doing this stuff man. I'm starting a new save and I almost feel like I have scientific proof that it will turn out well because of all this research haha.
Sorry Mr L. you're legend for me but I don't think that results are realistic. I've tried Beast with 4 different team it's like Deep Scilian. Just cup cup cup! For me far better than all tactics at 17.
We actually consider 250+ rating a very good tactic. With 268 it's definitely a very good tactic
And, also remember that our test is pretty much an underdog test, and will not necessarily reflect how the tactic performs with better teams.
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Some people keep forgetting that we have 128 tactics tested! Half of them are very good tactics! How can they all be nr 1?
Did you really expect TFF to be better than all other tacticians in the world? Stephenhk, Joinsam, Knap, itsZdan, Jinagab, Zyndar, Vanco (and many more) are all superb tacticians! TFF is also a very good tactician, but you can't honestly expect that every time he releases a tactic that it's the best in the world. If you do, you are very narrow-minded.
There is a reason we test on a large scale, with many matches and with increased test accuracy. It's because "I have tried this and this tactic and this one is definitely better" simply isn't accurate enough!
A personal savegame has way too much randomness going on to be of any "scientific" value.
Did you really expect TFF to be better than all other tacticians in the world? Stephenhk, Joinsam, Knap, itsZdan, Jinagab, Zyndar, Vanco (and many more) are all superb tacticians! TFF is also a very good tactician, but you can't honestly expect that every time he releases a tactic that it's the best in the world. If you do, you are very narrow-minded.
There is a reason we test on a large scale, with many matches and with increased test accuracy. It's because "I have tried this and this tactic and this one is definitely better" simply isn't accurate enough!
A personal savegame has way too much randomness going on to be of any "scientific" value.
Mr L, I am also finding beast to be the real deal, I don't say that the other tactics are not good, but I tried all the five star tactics with three different teams, and didn't get what beast gave me by far!! Yes I am just one guy but I see many other having the same results!! I don't expect to see beast number 1 tactic in your test, but being at least between the five star tactics!! And all this I telling you with much respect, not to **** u off, but to give you food for thought so you can make your testing method even better in the future!!
Honestly, most of TFF's tactic has been average in most of the tactic test being done since long time ago. From Will's test, Jassar's test, FMSERBIA's test, my test and now Mr L's test. Those test are not perfect nor it is 100% accurate not even close but it is simply more objective than results given by personal experience.
We need some sort of blind test where tactic testers are given a set of tactics to test in his save but he does not know who is the creator of the tactics then we can really have more objective results based on personal save as this will eliminate the so called placebo effect
