Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)

Mr Langvatn said:
None of my tactics are possession based, they are actually the complete opposite. And I can promise you that this tactic isn't the problem. Is it 100% fluid? And how is your team gel level? (Staff-assistant manager-reports-team talk feedback)
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Agree with Mr L. It's based on many factors. Are your players matchfit? How are you doing with man management? Beeing to harsh or to cautious in your team talks? Buying to many new players to a squad can have bad effect on the hole squad? It's way more factors that can be crucial, such as training etc... and ofcourse.. switching between different tactics in an ongoing season is a bad thing.. (if that's the case). And last but not least... there is no such thing as ONE tactic for EVERY team, it may be so simple that it actually not fits your squad and type of players. :)

Good luck
 
Mr Langvatn said:
None of my tactics are possession based, they are actually the complete opposite. And I can promise you that this tactic isn't the problem. Is it 100% fluid? And how is your team gel level? (Staff-assistant manager-reports-team talk feedback)
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I just plug n play, let my *** man deal with match training and team talks. Don't do opp instructions as I hate them. My assistant is pretty good for the stature of my club. I have excellent players that fit this formation really well. I enjoy picking my team and hitting the play button. Watch key highlights of all my matches and when watching with this tactic the opposition has the ball all the time, it can be a bit soul destroying to watch. Maybe this tactic is suited more to bigger/better teams. It's not terrible and I have had a couple of decent results, just expected a bit more from it I guess. I understand that you don't produce possession tactics as you feel they don't provide good enough results in this patch of FM. I admire your work that you do Mr L, so i'm not trying to be a **** by posting this, just putting my experience across.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
It's because this is the hardest tactic test to win. And I'm afraid Rock Classic is outdated by some superior tactics now, with the help of Malte and Jassar :) The Rock is still a very good tactic, but these last ones are close to 100% perfection.
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Is that tactic test based on in game situations though? Are you using real players or players with made up attributes? Do different teams have different players, or are you just playing teams which all have exactly the same players every match?
 
Spikester said:
I just plug n play, let my *** man deal with match training and team talks. Don't do opp instructions as I hate them. My assistant is pretty good for the stature of my club. I have excellent players that fit this formation really well. I enjoy picking my team and hitting the play button. Watch key highlights of all my matches and when watching with this tactic the opposition has the ball all the time, it can be a bit soul destroying to watch. Maybe this tactic is suited more to bigger/better teams. It's not terrible and I have had a couple of decent results, just expected a bit more from it I guess. I understand that you don't produce possession tactics as you feel they don't provide good enough results in this patch of FM. I admire your work that you do Mr L, so i'm not trying to be a **** by posting this, just putting my experience across.
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Dude, I'm playing Cardiff and beat City first match, drew against Chelsea away, and continuing a good run. It works for lesser teams. City had 1 shot against me. But please show me a screenshot of your assistant manager's team talk feedback, and your tactics screen, maybe I can help you.
 
rich_genie said:
Is that tactic test based on in game situations though? Are you using real players or players with made up attributes? Do different teams have different players, or are you just playing teams which all have exactly the same players every match?
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All the players are made up and have 100% equal stats. But it's not only the test results that proves it better. You should see some of the screenshots posted both here and in Jassar's thread, and I tested this with many clubs myself too. Mr Hough uses the 4-4-2 now, and he is in awe of it as well. The test is as accurate a tactic test can be. If you test with real clubs, the test will be too much affected by randomness, also you have the problem that no teams have players to fit all positions possible, so this will also have a negative effect for some tactics. Playing with players who are orange or yellow compared to another tactic they can be natural in the whole field.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
All the players are made up and have 100% equal stats. But it's not only the test results that proves it better. You should see some of the screenshots posted both here and in Jassar's thread, and I tested this with many clubs myself too. Mr Hough uses the 4-4-2 now, and he is in awe of it as well. The test is as accurate a tactic test can be. If you test with real clubs, the test will be too much affected by randomness, also you have the problem that no teams have players to fit all positions possible, so this will also have a negative effect for some tactics. Playing with players who are orange or yellow compared to another tactic they can be natural in the whole field.
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Ok, I guess that makes sense as long as all players don't have the same stats that mean they have no weaknesses, like having 15 for every stat for example.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
Just started my own personal game, playing cardiff city with lfcmarshall's update (so they are in the prem). Got City first match, won 1-0, they had 1 shot , hahaha. 4-5-1 tripletweak!
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there Danish striker is amazing in this these formations, try to unlearn the dwells on ball move and he becomes better
 
Mr Langvatn said:
Dude, I'm playing Cardiff and beat City first match, drew against Chelsea away, and continuing a good run. It works for lesser teams. City had 1 shot against me. But please show me a screenshot of your assistant manager's team talk feedback, and your tactics screen, maybe I can help you.
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Here is my Assistants team talk feedback:
And here is tactic screen:
Lastly, here is my latest game against Braga(slightly better than me..... slightly):
 
rich_genie said:
Ok, I guess that makes sense as long as all players don't have the same stats that mean they have no weaknesses, like having 15 for every stat for example.
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They have the same stats, resulting in that no player have the advantage over the other in a duel. They have 14 in most stats and 20 in some. This is just a plug and play test, and of course some teams have players with stats that will fit one type of tactic better than others, but I only do plug and play tactics, and in the plug and play manner, the tripletweaks are the best ones I've got.
 
Spikester said:
Here is my Assistants team talk feedback:
And here is tactic screen:
Lastly, here is my latest game against Braga(slightly better than me..... slightly):
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You have two severe problems, one is that the tactic isn't 100% fluid (without this, your players don't understand how to play the tactic), the other is that your players have "not yet developed a good level of understanding" which is probably due to you buying many new players, and not countering that with team work match prep.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
They have the same stats, resulting in that no player have the advantage over the other in a duel. They have 14 in most stats and 20 in some. This is just a plug and play test, and of course some teams have players with stats that will fit one type of tactic better than others, but I only do plug and play tactics, and in the plug and play manner, the tripletweaks are the best ones I've got.
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Not doubting that they are the best ones, just unsure of the test. How do you know what sort of players make the tactics work if they all have the same stats? For instance maybe one tactic works due to centre backs having high technique and creativity which in a real game you are not going to get.
 
Mr Langvatn said:
You have two severe problems, one is that the tactic isn't 100% fluid (without this, your players don't understand how to play the tactic), the other is that your players have "not yet developed a good level of understanding" which is probably due to you buying many new players, and not countering that with team work match prep.
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Tactic may not be 100% fluid, but it's pretty close, also I only signed 2 players on loan, which I'm sure wouldn't hinder the team in any way. I'm going to continue using it for now, again just plug n play, as that's how I play the game. Hopefully the results will pick up, would also be good if possession would pick up a little as well, even going to about 50% would make me happy. Tempted to try the new one posted above with the different corner settings, as I'm sure I've only scored 1 goal from corners so far, and that was a fluke.
 
W4NKER said:
TC version of the triple tweak 442 and 451. Haven't tested these or the classic version yet but going by the above feedback they sound awesome

(note: it isn't possible to get a 100% accurate conversion to a TC tactic so if you playing the full game then stick with the original classic tactics. And set your best header to Attack Near Post at corners)
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Can you make the TC version of this one-Mr Langvatn 2-7-1 Defensive Sicilian Rock Mix

And on the 451 triple tweak the striker is sweeping position white the dmc in the center.
 
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Spikester said:
Tactic may not be 100% fluid, but it's pretty close, also I only signed 2 players on loan, which I'm sure wouldn't hinder the team in any way. I'm going to continue using it for now, again just plug n play, as that's how I play the game. Hopefully the results will pick up, would also be good if possession would pick up a little as well, even going to about 50% would make me happy. Tempted to try the new one posted above with the different corner settings, as I'm sure I've only scored 1 goal from corners so far, and that was a fluke.
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Like he already told you, the assistant says that your team don't understand each other so no tactic is going to work. Doesn't matter how many players you have or haven't signed, it says there on your screen what the problem is.
 
rich_genie said:
Not doubting that they are the best ones, just unsure of the test. How do you know what sort of players make the tactics work if they all have the same stats? For instance maybe one tactic works due to centre backs having high technique and creativity which in a real game you are not going to get.
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These tactics are made in real games, only tested further here :) So that's not an issue really. I understand where you are coming from, but there really isn't a better way to test them. If I had the time, I would make one test for underdogs, one for top teams and one for equal teams, then we would have the answer to which tactic works best in all different situations.
 
Spikester said:
Tactic may not be 100% fluid, but it's pretty close, also I only signed 2 players on loan, which I'm sure wouldn't hinder the team in any way. I'm going to continue using it for now, again just plug n play, as that's how I play the game. Hopefully the results will pick up, would also be good if possession would pick up a little as well, even going to about 50% would make me happy. Tempted to try the new one posted above with the different corner settings, as I'm sure I've only scored 1 goal from corners so far, and that was a fluke.
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It's like rich_genie said. The tactic isn't the issue here. You have proof of that black on white in your screenshots there. No tactic can perform under those circumstances (simply because the players don't know what they are doing at all). Just continue using it until the tactic is fluid (100%!!), and your players have started to understand each other.
 
What role to train the DMC's in 4-4-2 tripletweak? central midfielder or box-to-box? I assume box-to-box?
 
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