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THIS TACTIC IS BETTER ----> BATTLEMASTER !



THIS THREAD IS CLOSED









At the OP you'll find "Inside Forwards" versions of the tactics and "Inside Forward + Wide Midfielder" versions of the tactics.

"Inside Forward + Wide Midfielder" versions are better than "Inside Forwards" versions
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IMPORTANT:

If you are going to use "Inside Forward + Wide Midfielder” versions with "Instant Result" then you should know that there's a issue when the assistant manager changes the Wide Midfielder role in the tactic to other roles for MR position that has the highest rating.

I found some solution for the issue and in order to minimize the negative effect from the issue and get almost the same quality performance when you use "Instant Result" as if you played the match in full, these conditions should be met:

1) Players that you use at MR position should have "Winger" role at the 1st place at the roles ratings list in order to avoid possible change "Wide Midfielder" role to "Wide Playmaker" role:

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2) Players that you use at MR position should have "Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong" rating for the left foot:

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Please notice when you use "Instant Result" then the assistant manager makes substitutions during matches so all players that can be used as possible substitutions at MR position should met the conditions too.








Here some tips when to you the 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-3 tactics:

If you see that your opponent uses a defensive formation with DM then you can use the 4-2-3-1 tactic without any fear even when you are an underdog and your opponent is a favorite.

Here's an example of defensive formations with DM:

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But when you see that your opponent uses an attacking formation with AM or 2 Strikers against you then you need to be very careful here and correctly evaluate your strength and the strength of your opponents, for example, if you play an away match vs top club such as Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barca, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham and some other and you see that these clubs use an attacking formation agsint you and if you go with the 4-2-3-1 tactic then the match result might be unpredictable because you'll be creating a lot of scoring chances and your opponents also will be creating a lot of scoring chances against you and if you are unlucky at the finishing then you might lose heavily but if you go with 4-3-3 then you greatly limit the amount of scoring chances for you opposition and there’s probability for draw or if you lose than no more than 1 goal.

Here's an example of attacking formations with AM and 2 Strikers:

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"IMPORTANT: IF YOU DON'T WANT BOTHER WITH "SWITCHING" TACTICS AND YOU WANT TO USE ONLY ONE TACTIC THEN GO FOR THE 4-2-3-1 TACTIC, YOU'LL BE GETTING BETTER RESULT WITH IT THEN IF YOU USED ONLY THE 4-3-3 TACTIC"






AML should be right footed.

AMR // MR should be left footed or have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" for the left foot.



"PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) TACTIC: MCR (Box To Box ) should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, if you have a left footed player for MCR ( Box To Box ) position you can “mirror” the tactic and drag the Box To Box Midfielder to MCL slot and drag CM (Defend) to MCR slot"


"PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) TACTIC: MCR should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, MCL should be left footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the left foot"





TWO INSIDE FORWARDS VERSIONS:


*** ( 4-2-3-1 ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) V3

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P_4231_Real_V2.png






*** ( 4-3-3) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) V3

P_433_Barca_V2.png
P_433_Real_V2.png





INSIDE FORWARD + WIDE MIDFIELDER VERSIONS:


*** ( 4-2-3-1 + Wide Midfielder ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 + WM ) V1

WM_4231_Barca_V1.png
WM_4231_Real_V1.png






*** ( 4-3-3 + Wide Midfielder ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-3-3 + WM ) V1

WM_433_Barca_V1.png
WM_433_Real_V1.png








WASTE TIME TACTIC:

Use this tactic in order to protect your lead and kill the game. Please notice that this tactic doesn't give 100% guaranty that you won't concede it only greatly reduces the chances of it happens so you should it wisely, for example, when you play against much weaker team and lead only by 1 goal then it makes sense to wait for more solid lead at least by 2 goals before to start use this tactic because everything might happens and it’s always frustrating to conceded a fluke goal at last minutes and miss win.

WASTE TIME TACTIC---->TFF PARAGON ( WASTE TIME ) V3






IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

Opposition Instructions are very important for the tactic so make sure you set it as recommended

Only ML/MR positions should take the corners


- Always play your right footed Central Defenders at DCR position and your left footed Central Defenders at DCL because only then they are able to start your attacks with accurate passes at their flank and don't clear the ball just high up field. Also, please notice that it's enough if your central defender that plays at DCL position has only "Fairly Strong" rating for the left foot so he shouldn't be left footed in this case.

- DL should be left footed.

- DR should be right footed.


HOW TO DEAL WITH RED AND YELLOW CARDS:

When a player gets a straight red card then in 90% of cases it’s due to his hidden attributes – “Dirtness” so you can do nothing about and it’s just a random factor in the game.

BUT you can avoid a red card that a player gets because of the 2nd yellow card and in order to do that you can add "Ease Off Tackles" PI to a player that already has one yellow card or you can substitute him.

Also, If you don’t happy with the amount of yellow card that your players get in matches then you can remove "Tackle Harder" PI from all positions but please notice that the tactic’s performance will suffer in this case because nothing is free.


What to do when you got a player sent off:

If you got a red card then remove AMC







OPPOSITION INSTRUCTIONS:
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TRANING AND MATCH PREPARATION:

1) During the pre-season play no less than 5-7 friendly matches and I recommend to choose weaker opponents in order to guaranty easy wins in friendly matche and have "Superb" morale for your players when the season starts.

2) Put the tactic into all 3 tactic slots because it makes the tactic familiarity grows much faster.

3) Choose "Match Tactics" focus for the match preparation because it makes tactic familiarity grows faster.

4) When the tactic familiarity reaches about 90% change the match preparation to "Def. Position".


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Individual Training Focus:

STCL - Deep Lying Forward

AML/AMR - Inside Forwards

AMC - "Advanced Playmaker" ( additional focus might be "Finishing" or "Long Shots" if these attributes are less than "13" )

MCR( Central Midfielder ( Attack ) ) - "Advanced Playmaker" (also if the player has "Positioning" attribute less than "12" than set "Additional Focus Training" – Positioning)

MCR( Box To Box Midfielder ) - "Advanced Playmaker" (also if the player has Positioning less than "13" than set "Additional Focus Training" – Positioning)

MCL(CM Defend) - Ball Winning Midfielder ( additional focus might be "Technique", "First Touch" or "Passing" if these attributes are low )

DM - Defensive Midfielder ( additional focus might be "Technique" or "First Touch" if these attributes are low )

CDL/CDR – Central Defender

DL/DR – Complete Wing Back

GK – Goalkeeper








GOOD AND BAD PPMs FOR THE POSITIONS:
(Please notice that some PPMs are good for one position and bad for other position so if you are planning to use some players on few positions then don't train them the PPMs which can be "Bad")


DEEP LYING FORWARD
GOOD - "Comes Deep To Get Ball", "Plays One-Twos", "Moves Into Channels"
BAD - "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Likes To Try To Beat Offside Trap", "Plays No Through Balls", "Static Target Man"


INSIDE FORWARDS
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls", "Hugs Line"


ATTACKING MIDFIELDER
GOOD - "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls"


CENTRAL MIDFIELDER (ATTACK)
GOOD - "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Comes Deep To Get Ball", "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls"


BOX TO BOX MIDFIELDER (SUPPORT)
GOOD - "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Comes Deep To Get Ball", "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely", "Plays No Through Balls"


FULL BACKS
GOOD - "Gets Forward Whenever Possible", "Plays One-Twos"
BAD - "Stays Back At All Times", "Runs With Ball Rarely"




RECOMMENDED ATTRIBUTES FOR THE POSITIONS

First of all, if you are going to use the filters then you should turn OFF the "Attributes Masking" setting when you start a new save otherwise the filters would be useless.

Here's a screenshot with an information how you can turn it OFF when you start a new:


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DOWNLOAD THE FILTERS -->TFF FILTERS PARAGON V7


Few tips how to use the filters:

First of all, you need to have 100% scouting knowledge for these major football nations(you can send your scouts to inspect these nation or buy scouts who already possesses knowledge about these nations): Spain, Portugal, England, Italy, Germany, France, Holland, Brazil, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey.

In case if you find it hard to find players through the filters here's what you can do there's an option that allows you to "easy match conditions" in the Scouting menu and you can "easy" match conditions by 1 condition in most cases it will double the pool of players that show in the search field but you need to pay attention what parameter is missing and for how much. I would recommend avoid to have difference more than 1-2 points away.

This way you can also find young talents for your team.


DEEP LYING FORWARD
Technique 14+
First Touch 14+
Strength 15+
Finishing 15+
Long Shots 13+
Off The Ball 14+
Anticipation 14+
Composure 14+
Passing 13+
Dribbling 12+
Vision 13+
Decisions 13+
Teamwork 13+
Acceleration 13+
Agility 13+
Pace 13+



INSIDE FORWARDS
Acceleration 15+
Dribbling 15+
Agility 15+
Flair 14+
Pace 14+
Technique 15+
First Touch 15+
Composure 13+
Off The Ball 13+
Passing 13+
Finishing 13+
Long Shots 13+
Decisions 13+
Vision 13+
Anticipation 13+
Composure 13+



ATTACKING MIDFIELDER
Technique 15+
Passing 15+
First Touch 15+
Vision 15+
Decisions 14+
Acceleration 14+
Dribbling 14+
Agility 14+
Flair 14+
Off The Ball 13+
Composure 13+
Pace 13+
Finishing 13+
Long Shots 13+
Work Rate 13+
Teamwork 13+



CENTRAL MIDFIELDER ( ATTACK )
Technique 15+
Passing 15+
Vision 15+
First Touch 14+
Decisions 14+
Anticipation 14+
Composure 13+
Off The Ball 13+
Teamwork 13+
Work Rate 13+
Positioning 12+
Dribbling 12+
Flair 12+
Acceleration 12+
Agility 12+
Pace 12+
Determination 11+



BOX TO BOX MIDFIELDER (SUPPORT)
Teamwork 14+
Work Rate 14+
Passing 15+
Vision 14+
Technique 14+
First Touch 14+
Decisions 14+
Anticipation 14+
Composure 13+
Off The Ball 13+
Positioning 13+
Dribbling 12+
Flair 12+
Acceleration 12+
Agility 12+
Pace 12+
Strength 11+
Determination 11+



CENTRAL MIDFIELDER (DEFEND)
Work Rate 15+
Teamwork 14+
Positioning 14+
Marking 13+
Anticipation 13+
Tackling 13+
Strength 13+
Aggresion 11+
Bravery 13+
Determination 13+
Jumping Reach 10+
Acceleration 12+
Pace 12+
Agility 11+
Technique 11+
First Touch 11+
Passing 11+
Vision 11+



FULL BACKS
Acceleration 15+
Agility 12+
Pace 13+
Teamwork 14+
Work Rate 14+
Tackling 14+
Anticipation 13+
Positioning 13+
Marking 13+
Aggresion 11+
Bravery 13+
Determination 13+
Crossing 12+
Technique 12+
Dribling 12+
Passing 12+
Decision 11+
Vision 11+
Compusure 11+
Off The Ball 11+
Strength 11+



CENTRAL DEFENDERS
Strength 16+
Acceleration 13+
Pace 12+
Agility 11+
Positioning 15+
Marking 15+
Concentration 14+
Jumping Reach 14+
Tackling 14+
Anticipation 14+
Aggresion 11+
Bravery 13+
Determination 13+
Work Rate 13+


GK
Reflexes 16 +
One on Ones 16 +
Handling 15+
Concentration 14+
Communication 13+
Command Of Area 13+
Agility 14+
 
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Shoulda left them open dude. Once you get messages of this is good for me be *** vxxx was better in this thread, it'll have 5 pposts after asking for links and uploads to the other one..

Any chance of just leaving a tactic RAR pack for both in the old OPs?


That being said a new TTF is always a step up and now i have a new one, to start me new save tomo!!! woo hoo!!
 

Any chance of just leaving a tactic RAR pack for both in the old OPs?

Yeahh... Mate, I agree it's a good idea to keep all versions in RAR pack but to say honestly, I'm too lazy for it :) but I promise to think about it ;)
 
TFF can i use the attack version if im a average/low team or is that version for top teams
 
TFF can i use the attack version if im a average/low team or is that version for top teams

I recommend using the Attacking version only in cases when you think that you are stronger than your opponent and you aren't afraid of him but if you have any doubts then you'd better use the Balanced version.
 
Ooh back to this setup, very interesting! What makes this stronger than annihilator and a 4-4-2 setup, and how much have you tested this?
 
I recommend using the Attacking version only in cases when you think that you are stronger than your opponent and you aren't afraid of him but if you have any doubts then you'd better use the Balanced version.

cheers buddy, i thought i didn't give you enough time to put info in op lol
 
I absolutely love it when you have one normal, one attacking and one time wasting. Awesome, will try it out!
 
[h=3]ANNIHILATOR! is the better choice for me...[/h]
it creates more clear cut chances for me and is rocking vs stronger teams. Paragon is acutally a little bit weak in creating chances - maybe I'll have to wait for the upcoming versions :)
 
I've updated the OP and added Inside Forwards versions of the tactic to the bottom of the OP.

Download links can be found at the bottom of the OP.







INSIDE FORWARDS EDITION:

These tactics are tweaks of the main tactics and the only difference is Wide Midfielders were changed to Inside Forwards.

I find that Inside Forwards versions are slightly weaker than Wide Midfielders version but still you will be greatly overarching with this tactics too.

Please notice that these tactics can be used with Instant Result and it doesn’t require special versions of these tactics for Instant Result.


PARAGON ( BALANCED - INSIDE FORWARDS )

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Paragon_IF_Balance_Real_v1.png



PARAGON ( ATTACKING - INSIDE FORWARDS )

Paragon_IF_Attack_Barca_v1.png
Paragon_IF_Attack_Real_v1.png
 
hey tff, mate who do u take of if u got a player sent off
 
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