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miguelalves said:
As for the match engine being heavily weighted in favour of the AI, that IS NOT simply the case. If it was the case, then we wouldn't see opponent players scoring own goals and making silly things like ours do. There are several issues to be fixed (as we all hope they will with the next patch), it's very disappointing that we have to wait about 4 or 5 months after being released to have a decent game, but things like the AI cheating against us it's a fantasy.
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Sorry mate, but, respectfully, I completely disagree with you. Whatever algorithms they have for the match engine clearly favour the A.I. It is easily proved - make a copy of a save and play a season (or series of matches) as yourself and in the other one let an A.I. manager take control of the same team. The difference in results is clear in even a small representative sample. I use detailed tactics, and even bad/complete absence of tactics cannot account for the discrepancy. Just the vast number of late goals the A.I. teams score against the user (even though my players' conditions are always ~10% better per player than the oppo) while the user hardly ever gets any blatantly shows the bias.
 
NoGoals said:
Sorry mate, but, respectfully, I completely disagree with you. Whatever algorithms they have for the match engine clearly favour the A.I. It is easily proved - make a copy of a save and play a season (or series of matches) as yourself and in the other one let an A.I. manager take control of the same team. The difference in results is clear in even a small representative sample. I use detailed tactics, and even bad/complete absence of tactics cannot account for the discrepancy. Just the vast number of late goals the A.I. teams score against the user (even though my players' conditions are always ~10% better per player than the oppo) while the user hardly ever gets any blatantly shows the bias.
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Its not all down to fitness though. Concentration and determination of the squad and also composure on most parts is needed to prevent your team from switching off. The events of matches can also impact late on with teams having momentum such as coming from behind. You also need to react to the change in tactics from the opposition or a substitution. I, myself have scored loads of late goals and conceded many too, it's frustrating but look at real life. IMO there isn't enough late goals in the game compared to real life but thats just me. In FM there are so many factors that can influence a single event and if you look closely enough they do IRL as well such as form, mental state, personality, morale, tactics, weather, crowd, pressure etc.
 
NoGoals said:
Sorry mate, but, respectfully, I completely disagree with you. Whatever algorithms they have for the match engine clearly favour the A.I. It is easily proved - make a copy of a save and play a season (or series of matches) as yourself and in the other one let an A.I. manager take control of the same team. The difference in results is clear in even a small representative sample. I use detailed tactics, and even bad/complete absence of tactics cannot account for the discrepancy. Just the vast number of late goals the A.I. teams score against the user (even though my players' conditions are always ~10% better per player than the oppo) while the user hardly ever gets any blatantly shows the bias.
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Results will always be different, that's something called... football. Pick two teams, confronting themselves for 5 matches, using the same players and you will have 5 different results. What do you thought ? That you'd have always the same ending score ????????? That's completly unrealistic and also impossible, because you simply can't have the exactly same match conditions in 5 matches (or 10, 20, etc). Then, how can you say it favours the AI if we see opponent players scoring also own goals, making stupid passes and so on.

The thing I agree and as for now it's completly ridiculous is that even when our team dominates possession, the opponent team as the capacity to react in the last 20 or 15 minutes... well, everybody knows that the team without possession has a lot more physical waste, so it's quite ilogic for them being able to react.
 
miguelalves said:
Results will always be different, that's something called... football. Pick two teams, confronting themselves for 5 matches, using the same players and you will have 5 different results. What do you thought ? That you'd have always the same ending score ????????? That's completly unrealistic and also impossible, because you simply can't have the exactly same match conditions in 5 matches (or 10, 20, etc). Then, how can you say it favours the AI if we see opponent players scoring also own goals, making stupid passes and so on.

The thing I agree and as for now it's completly ridiculous is that even when our team dominates possession, the opponent team as the capacity to react in the last 20 or 15 minutes... well, everybody knows that the team without possession has a lot more physical waste, so it's quite ilogic for them being able to react.
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Sigh. Of course I don't expect all results to be exactly the same. And if you have 5 games between the same 2 teams, you won't get 5 different outcomes, either team A wins, team B wins, or it's a draw. But that's beside the point. I think I stated clearly (or at least I intended to) that over the course of a season (or series of games) that a team controlled by a human user will invariably collect less points over those games than the same team for the same fixtures if it were controlled by A.I. The discrepancy is clear, and much too large than to be explained away by tactics, etc. Saying "that's football" can explain away a single individual result, just like real life, but not the frequency with which it happens over a longer period within the game. FM14 is a poor game. I just really that wish I wasn't addicted to the series. Sigh.
 
NoGoals said:
Sigh. Of course I don't expect all results to be exactly the same. And if you have 5 games between the same 2 teams, you won't get 5 different outcomes, either team A wins, team B wins, or it's a draw. But that's beside the point. I think I stated clearly (or at least I intended to) that over the course of a season (or series of games) that a team controlled by a human user will invariably collect less points over those games than the same team for the same fixtures if it were controlled by A.I. The discrepancy is clear, and much too large than to be explained away by tactics, etc. Saying "that's football" can explain away a single individual result, just like real life, but not the frequency with which it happens over a longer period within the game. FM14 is a poor game. I just really that wish I wasn't addicted to the series. Sigh.
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Obviously either one team will win, draw or loose but even if one of the teams wins the 5 matches, it will win by 5 different results... or not. Football (as in FM) has too much variables that don't allow us to say that things are black or white. As for the argument that teams controlled by the AI make more points, I have to disagree: I have started saves after saves after saves (very boring) and I haven't felt that way but you might have some reason depending on which league we are talking: the portuguese league is not competitive but other leagues like the EPL it's reasonable to end the season with fewer points. I guess all comes to an end where a lot of complains are sustainable: (1) there are too much bugs to be fixed; (2) people spend more time reading online threads about how to play than enjoying the game; (3) Text boxes about instructions need more clarifying, one cannot change a tactical system and leave the explanations as they were previously; (4) it's very annoying buying a game and spend almost half of the time until the next version is released to have a decent patch. I think these points are easily accepted and I guess people have some point to get frustrated or even furious when they read provocative comments like "it's your tactics". But regardless being provocative and stupid, it's also true that many people doesn't understand roles, duties and instructions and there are also many complains about supposed bugs that simply aren't bugs. A good example is the complain about the amount of goals against ending the season, 38 league matches / 38-45 goals suffered, well, if people would take a look into the more competitive leagues they would find out that's exactly what happens.
 
After 24 league matches our score was 20-4-0. Next game we play vs Newcastle (mid-table), lead 3-1 at HT, and then we concede 3 goals and lose 3-4. They had 6 shots on target!
 
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I need some help before it all goes wrong again.

I'm sitting top of the Championship with around 15 games left, and all of a sudden I've been hitting some real bad form. Haven't won in 5 games (4 loss, 1 draw). I've dominated this league since the start, so I'll be extremely ****** off if I don't get promoted.

The tactic I'm using has been made to suit the team I currently have. I'm playing to my teams strengths.

I've just lost against Peterborough. I was winning 1-0 until the 85 Min when they smashed and grabbed me 2-1.

How am I supposed to get out of this bad form?

I usually have to greater share of possession but a trend I've noticed is the opposing team is have around 60% possession.
 
Late equalizersssssss!!!! And never a proper one, whenever I lead by a margin of 1 goal and opposition gets a corner, I know I'm screwed. The usual set-piece scramble or even own goals, I know it ALWAYS happens with a corner in late minutes, my players can't clear it FFS.
 
finally stop with playing :-)),waiting for new patch...game is,as i already said, fun, dinamic , different...i play with Man utd for 3 seasons and it was great time building team,but finally i got frustated :-)) Fist game in 4.season , away game vs Burnley , lost 1:0 but it way something like 3 (1 on goal) vs 25 /11 shots for me. And what gest me frustated? I just wanted to start season good....lol....lost...
So, after this 3 seasons i can say FIX this: away corners (not so much of a problem,but it is), opp strikes finishing (it is like 20 for all of then , one shot one SUPER goal), my strikes finishing (which is 19 hahhaha , but there is obviousli to much missings), CUPS are to hard to winn (ok,like in every FM probably), first touch is bad (not big deal) , defending is sometimes very poor, buying player (again somethimes...like im my 4.season i sold verratti to real for 50mill and i wanted willshare or thiago but 200mill not good hahahha...bad....i could get modric for 150mill but he is already 30), long shots? this stuff is sooo poor (i like to see some nice longshot but there isnt even one in this FM)
and ,buy gabriel barbosa he is god!!! :-))

sory for some offtopics
 
Why do the post match interviews never ask you about the fact CHRISTIANO RONALDO RECEIVED 3 PENALTIES AND THAT IS THE REASON YOU LOST THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SEMI FINAL DESPITE DOMINATING THE WHOLE TWO LEGS?! THREE PENALTIES AND NOT A SINGLE CARD?! WHAT THE ******* ****
 
LiamOT said:
I need some help before it all goes wrong again.

I'm sitting top of the Championship with around 15 games left, and all of a sudden I've been hitting some real bad form. Haven't won in 5 games (4 loss, 1 draw). I've dominated this league since the start, so I'll be extremely ****** off if I don't get promoted.

The tactic I'm using has been made to suit the team I currently have. I'm playing to my teams strengths.

I've just lost against Peterborough. I was winning 1-0 until the 85 Min when they smashed and grabbed me 2-1.

How am I supposed to get out of this bad form?

I usually have to greater share of possession but a trend I've noticed is the opposing team is have around 60% possession.
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confidence, luck, teams learning your tactics and how best to combat them, key players hitting a bad patch of form, complacency. That's football for you, if only it was a simple as my team are better than yours so we will win, doesn't always happen!

change tactics, shake the team up a bit. I find dropping a striker for an extra DM and swapping mentalities (if youre attacking switch to counter if youre counter switch to attacking for example) helps in a bad patch, it turns what would have been defeats into draws and then switch back to usual tactics once confidence is up again.
 
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After hitting a run of consecutive draws in the Extended highlights view, I followed the advice of Mike - the moderator on this site - which was also repeated by the editor of ClearCutChance magazine on the latest Football Manager Stories podcast, and switched to the Comprehensive view. As you can see from the attached screenshot, my fortunes have improved.

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I did the matches below the red line in Comprehensive view, which took about 40 minutes each. There are far fewer jump cuts straight to dangerous set-piece situations and you do get a much fuller impression of the pattern of the match, and of who is performing and who is not, on both your team and the opposition. If you watch it closely enough, you also get the opportunity to respond to every injury and substitution and decide when to shut things down near the end of the match, if necessary.
 
What the **** is wrong with defenders in this game? Are they all mentally retarded or are they all part-time clowns? The ball is in the penalty area with no one in sight so he ******* walks to the ball, got chased down by a guy from 5000 miles away, stole the ball and scored from it? Two games in a row?

And I don't think I need to say anything about Football Manager 2014 turning into Corners Manager 2014. 25 shots with 12 on target, 5 CCC created, scored once, hit the post thrice. Opposition had 2 shots, 2 on target, both from corner, scored 2. Majestic.

I have played FM since FM07 but this year's FM is seriously ****** up. Whole new level of stupidity. Keep this up and I might stop playing this game. Never have I seen so many stupid incidents in the game before, and they just keep happening. Just played 5 games after my work wanting to relax for a bit and the amount of stupidity in these 5 games made me close the game immediately.
 
Manager: "I am thinkin about transfer listing you if you don't sign the new contract"
Player: "I don't want to leave, let's discuss the new deal"
Agent (grrr...): "My client is not interested in signing a new deal"

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Still this stupid bug after 345345384506 patches...god I hate SI Games with all my soul...
 
first time ive posted on here re frustrations but this is one that is bugging me. southampton have been relegated and both shaw and ward-prowse are transfer listed by request, southampton asking for ?25m+ for both players...... they'd be lucky to get ?10m irl if relegated imo.
 
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