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carlos_fierro said:
If he's not for sale, then that should be the end of the matter.

One thing that has occured to me - is it not illegal for school children to be bound by professional contracts?
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Like Mike said, people got annoyed at clubs just saying no and refusing to sell young players so they changed the system to allow you to sign them but for much greater prices. You either get them quickly before they sign pre-contracts or you attempt to fight out a decent deal for yourself.
 
Is there any likelyhood of a further patch to tweak the long shot problem? Or nerf GK AI again?
 
http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles...e/uefa/uefamedia/80/81/29/808129_download.pdf

I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who knows about the professional status of minors in football, as it would seem from that UEFA press release to be illegal for school children to sign professional contracts, and that their transfer is banned.

Therefore it would be illegal for a club to demand money for them should they wish to move to a competitor.

Or I may have that wrong.
 
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European kids are eligible for professional contract after the age of 17, I think and its 18 with non-EU.

And yes, if you look properly on FM you'll find there's no way you can offer a player not on professional contract to any other team for money.

But players sign "pre-contracts", if you've heard that term.
 
Nice explainer.

See point 19 in this document: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff...e_status_and_transfer_of_players_en_33410.pdf

This states that only "training compensation" can be agreed between two clubs for a player under the age of 23 who was signing his first professional terms, and a formula is given for the level of compensation in Annexe 4.

As we know, it's illegal to demand money for someone who isn't a contracted, professional footballer (re: Bosman ruling).

It would seem ridiculous therefore that a club could demand $42m for a 15-year-old who is not a professional footballer, regardless of whether he has a pre-contract. That might affect the level of compensation, but it would not reach such stupid, arbitrary levels.

The only block on a transfer at 18 would be whether the kid actually wanted to move.

Again, I might be wrong, but this appears to be a huge mistake in FM 2014.
 
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Well I think, like Mike says, rather than it being an adherence to IRL law, this is a mechanism by which you are told the player is not for sale (unless you have 42 million in the bank of course).

It's really just a simplification of the process, which reduces the frustration of just being told no without any comeback for you.

I wouldn't read too much into it :D I just found it amusing.
 
surely this ranks as a frustration? not being able to tempt young talent because of a rule implemented by SI on a whim? The player in question should never be "for sale" at the selling team's discretion, because it's actually illegal to sell him.

Anyway, something for FM15.
 
carlos_fierro said:
surely this ranks as a frustration? not being able to tempt young talent because of a rule implemented by SI on a whim? The player in question should never be "for sale" at the selling team's discretion, because it's actually illegal to sell him.

Anyway, something for FM15.
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If you used search filter -> unreasonable transfers, that player should never show up
 
The point is, it is not an unreasonable transfer. The asking price is.
 
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And I guess on your logic the game would helpfully filter out Messi if he was available for $1.
 
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carlos_fierro said:
If he's not for sale, then that should be the end of the matter.

One thing that has occured to me - is it not illegal for school children to be bound by professional contracts?
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You'd get him when he was legally bound to move. (17 in some countries, 18 in others)
 
carlos_fierro said:
surely this ranks as a frustration? not being able to tempt young talent because of a rule implemented by SI on a whim? The player in question should never be "for sale" at the selling team's discretion, because it's actually illegal to sell him.

Anyway, something for FM15.
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It's not implemented on a whim. The transfer would go through whenever it met whatever age requirement (as per Fifa rules). You are conflating two different things entirely.

Example: you are Manchester United. You want to buy this amazing 15 year old from Santos.

They ask for 42 million ( this is them basically saying we dont want to sell this player, its nothing to do with age here)

You offer 42 Million and they accept. The transfer will not go through 2017 because he needs to be 18 to move to you.
 
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again, the transfers for such players are decided by arbitration.

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universaldirect333 said:
nerf GK AI again?
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Sorry, that was misleading. I meant revert the AI. Seems GK is imbued with super speed and always saving. Either that or the striker is always directly shooting at him. Maybe it's a question of tweaking the ME long shot thing. But the GK is incredibly quick.
 
I have to say I find the speed of the AI players, when defending, really fast. It's like a soon as my player is receiving (not even had the ball yet) a pass, the AI is on him. Yet my players (who are on pressing and all the necessaries to be on their man) are much more sluggish.

That's an aside however, to the annoyance of having to wait until the ball goes behind the goal for tacitcal changes to take place.
 
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