Ronaldo or Messi?

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Ronaldo or Messi?

  • Ronaldo

    Votes: 235 28.1%

  • Messi

    Votes: 600 71.9%
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Scott* said:
That statement is stupid.. Ronaldo tried his hardest for us, hence why we reach the champs league final and won the league. Hence why everyone called us a one man team....

His ego makes him who and what he is, That confident steak makes him try things most wouldnt do...
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Statement isn't that stupid tbh, agree with some points raised. His point is Ronaldo isn't a team player, and being called a one man team does more to claim he isn't a team player. To me he isn't, but he doesn't have to be, he can do alot of it on his own. Granted, if he changed his ways, he could become a better player.

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Scott* said:
But Ronaldo had Carlos who will all know cant manage for toffee.
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Quieroz > Diego 'The sniffer' Maradona.
 
Scott* said:
His ego makes him who and what he is, That confident steak makes him try things most wouldnt do...
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Messi has the confidence to try those things, too. As I said, the little genius creates goals out of absolutely nothing. Yes, ronaldo can do the same. But does he give 100% work rate, track back, play unselfishly to set up teammates?

No. That's why messi is better. He can do everything ronaldo can do, and more.

And before you say it. No ronaldo doesn't have free kicks in his locker. He scores like 1 in 10, that's no better than most players. They just happen to look alot better when they actually fly in.

And any heading advantage ronaldo has over messi is just his height advantage. Technique wise, messi is just as good as heading. I'm sure you remember him proving it in a certain final.

Oh and as for the international debate, as the poster above says, maradona is (for me) one of the worst managers around at that level (although his training sessions are pretty cool). Ronaldo has hardly proved it. Portugal have done nothing noticeable on the international stage lately. Both players were pretty average at the world cup. But how can you hold that against them? When it's the other way around, and an average player like podolski/klose (average based on their league goals last season) have an amazing world cup, that doesn't warrant them being labelled world class all of a sudden.
 
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Scott* said:
But Ronaldo had Carlos who will all know cant manage for toffee.
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Oh come on, the same argument can be used for Maradona.

If you look at Argentina players as whole, it's not just Messi under performing at the international stage. Milito, Tevez and Messi who're all class finishers have poor goal scoring records internationally yet they're class for there clubs. This suggests a problem with management rather than with the players itself.
 
Irish Scouse said:
Statement isn't that stupid tbh, agree with some points raised. His point is Ronaldo isn't a team player, and being called a one man team does more to claim he isn't a team player. To me he isn't, but he doesn't have to be, he can do alot of it on his own. Granted, if he changed his ways, he could become a better player.

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Quieroz > Diego 'The sniffer' Maradona.
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Ronaldo always tried his hardest, he works for the team. I think i read something that in his last season at Utd he covered more ground then any other winger...! He works for his team mates, Yeah he whines when they **** up, but that cause he has such high standards... He only tries the solo cause he knows he can work it out.


Jack Fulham said:
Oh come on, the same argument can be used for Maradona.

If you look at Argentina players as whole, it's not just Messi under performing at the international stage. Milito, Tevez and Messi who're all class finishers have poor goal scoring records internationally yet they're class for there clubs. This suggests a problem with management rather than with the players itself.
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I did use it in reponse to Messi has had **** managers since 2006 Jack. I used it as the turn over to The other side of the argument.
 
I think the only thing missing in CR7 is emotional control, apart from that he is much better than Messi
 
I think they're equal.
Xavi and Iniesta are better than both of them though.
 
if any of you watched the barca game the other night against athletico madrid messi was immense, at one point barca had a corner it got cleared and then feel to aguero who ran up the pitch and who was tracking him ...... messi nipped the ball off him then poked it round another player retrieved it then started the attack again for barca, this is a argument which will go for years. Ronaldo is a great player but while ronaldo has to think what his next move is going to be messi doesnt its natural to him, messi makes it look effortless while ronaldo tries to hard. (which isnt a bad thing) imo messi is a better player.
 
DMF said:
No, I just genuinely think he's better than Messi. For me he is more complete, but it's my opinion.
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More complete, yes, that's a fact. But not better, imo. For me is Messi.

More complete =/= better.

Scott* said:
To me, Ronaldo has done everything his doubters said he couldnt.

He has left his confort zone ( Man Utd) and Banged in goals in another top class league, He has started to score goals and perform on the international scene... Whilst Messi hasnt done either.. come back Messi when you leave barcelona and go to another league and have the same affect.
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I don't get why we are considering in which leagues have they or haven't they played in to comparing which one is better.

Pelé just played for Santos and a couple of years in the US. Wasn't he good at all, then?
 
5ICK said:
I don't get why we are considering in which leagues have they or haven't they played in to comparing which one is better.

Pelé just played for Santos and a couple of years in the US. Wasn't he good at all, then?
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Simple Pele won the world cup, both of them didnt.
 
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Ronaldo or Messi?

I think you should put one more choice on the poll: "Neither"
 
5ICK said:
More complete, yes, that's a fact. But not better, imo. For me is Messi.

More complete =/= better.


I don't get why we are considering in which leagues have they or haven't they played in to comparing which one is better.

Pelé just played for Santos and a couple of years in the US. Wasn't he good at all, then?
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Pele also scored over 1200 goals in all competitive matches, is Brazil's highest ever goalscorer with 77 goals for his country and is the only player to ever win 3 World Cups..

That's why he's the best ever IMO.
 
This thread really ****** me off. It's just the same **** every single day.

We say Messi > Ronaldo.
DMF and Scott say otherwise for some reason.

Rinse and repeat.

Does my head in.
 
This is slightly off-topic, but I've heard lots of people say that 'x' is better than Messi because they succeeded at World Cup level. But then I see pictures of Messi being marked out of the game by five players (ala Arg vs Ger), and I have to wonder if the tasks faced by past generations of attacking players was easier - by that I mean, the quality of defense is better today than it was years ago. Surely Maradona would have struggled as well if he had to play against an opponent like that? But then I hear he was aggressively taken out of games, so I have no idea. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, tackles were more aggressive than they are now, but players are more athletic now etc, etc. Thoughts?
 
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