Wouldn't be the weather Scott, of that I'm sure.
Fishing? Or unaware that he was sacked by Galatasaray earlier this season? If the latter, you'd be better off using his record at Rotterdam against him... would make a lot more sense...
Roy Hodgson - The 'Contradiction Compilation'
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Wouldn't be the weather Scott, of that I'm sure.
Fishing? Or unaware that he was sacked by Galatasaray earlier this season? If the latter, you'd be better off using his record at Rotterdam against him... would make a lot more sense...
See, Your nothing answer the the weather, just confirms that to me, that you now you club is in decline, and you have nothing to offer as a club, thta porto cant offer him.... (Expects the next post to be a dig at utd)
I know he was sacked, but i wouldn't call it a top job, in the mould of the Barcelona Job. Any reason he hasn't been tipped with a bigger club?
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Talk about taking things out of context oO)
How many times do you want me to repeat myself?
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All of your reasons are either Related the past
The Fact it is pretty clear that we aren't the in the best league in the world....
Great Players? At the Moment you have an Aging Midfielder and an Aging Defender, who could once been considered great, And lots of very good players, but no Great players.
All of your reasons are either Related the past
The Fact it is pretty clear that we aren't the in the best league in the world....
Great Players? At the Moment you have an Aging Midfielder and an Aging Defender, who could once been considered great, And lots of very good players, but no Great players.
Sadly it just confirms that I do tire of playing with the forum troll Scott in spite of making the effort to engage in rational argument with him from time to time.
If you're after a serious answer:
We generate the seventh largest income for a European club side in spite of a relative lack of success over the past two decades and being grossly outmatched by most of the other clubs in match day income.
We have new owners who have said they will be looking to invest in the team over a long term plan with the aim being a return to domestic dominance (we were top ranked team in Europe under Rafa, so that's easy enough to do even when we're useless, no?).
We still have the majority of a squad which challenged for a league title just two seasons ago.
We're a club which traditionally gives a manager time to see through a long term project and reveres those managers who do bring silverware to the club.
We remain one of the largest and most recognisable football teams in the world. Twenty years since our last domestic title, our fan base rivals that of every other club in the world.
We're Liverpool F*cking FC. There's only one of us, and we set the standard which even now you're trying to overtake (and what eats your manager up is that even now he still hasn't matched Sir Bob's European achievments in spite of having over a decade longer to emulate) and which the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City have spent hundreds of millions trying to achieve.
Don't know Scott. Now he's free again, will be interesting to see.
Sadly it just confirms that I do tire of playing with the forum troll Scott in spite of making the effort to engage in rational argument with him from time to time.
If you're after a serious answer:
We generate the seventh largest income for a European club side in spite of a relative lack of success over the past two decades and being grossly outmatched by most of the other clubs in match day income.
We have new owners who have said they will be looking to invest in the team over a long term plan with the aim being a return to domestic dominance (we were top ranked team in Europe under Rafa, so that's easy enough to do even when we're useless, no?).
The European seedings mean nothing to be honest, We all know, and so do you, that Liverpool where never the best side in Europe under Rafa. Them rating are about as useful as a hole in the head
"We still have the majority of a squad which challenged for a league title just two seasons ago."
You have lost both you Centre Midfielder, Alonso and Mascherano.. Carragher is 2 years older and it is starting to show, same with Gerrard.
Torres is so out of form and look so not interested it is un real. completely different prospect as a team.
"We're a club which traditionally gives a manager time to see through a long term project and reveres those managers who do bring silverware to the club."
Woy wouldn't agree, He is under pressure after 6 months.
"We're Liverpool F*cking FC. There's only one of us, and we set the standard which even now you're trying to overtake (and what eats your manager up is that even now he still hasn't matched Sir Bob's European achievments in spite of having over a decade longer to emulate) and which the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City have spent hundreds of millions trying to achieve."
Thats all in the past, Once upon time. Leeds where a major club, How things have changed....
( theres the expected dig at United), Oh how does it eat up you sousers that Shankly was never Knighted.....
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That's the funny thing though Scott - we're useless. Have been for decades and decades. But still ranked number one in Europe under Rafa because we consistently did well in the CL. What a weird world we live in. Even when we're useless we still pick up European honours, as well as domestic trophies. Criminal, ain't it? We should be happy with the odd F.A.Cup every decade...
Reina, check. Gerrard, check. Torres, check. I make that three world class players in the team. Agree with you about Carra and mentioned it on here several times last season. Gerrard is also approaching the stage where he should be moved on, in the best traditions of the club selling players as they just pass their peak and we get the money to reinvest on a replacement. Oddly enough our last manager thought along those lines too... are you Rafa in disguise Scott?
I have every sympathy with Torres at the moment. Most of the crowd who turn up at Anfield are uninterested in the football we're playing at the moment.
And rightly so - in fact, he was under pressure from a lot of fans the moment the dimwit thought that a reversion to 4-4-2 hoofball would be sufficient at Liverpool. The man is drowning not waving. See previous comment.
That wasn't a dig at Manchester United. Well, unless a simple statement of fact is sufficient to be a dig at Manchester United.
Your manager has defined his whole career at Old Trafford in the light of my club's past managers - he did this himself because he wanted to 'knock us off our f*cking perch'. He didn't manage to do that without some help from Souness, but he's still there plugging away - constantly aware that he's now the manager who got beaten 4-1 at Old Trafford by Liverpool and who still hasn't taken your club to our European heights. ^^)Btw - doesn't bother me in the slightest that Bill Shankly wasn't knighted - he was a man of the people not a champagne socialist like Clough and others. Sir Bob should have been though. It's rare for a footballing man to achieve that much success, give so much to the game, and have even his biggest rival acclaim him as a genuine gentleman. The reason why it rubs so much is because it was fairly evident that the politics of the early 80s was the reason why a good man didn't get that recognition.
That's the funny thing though Scott - we're useless. Have been for decades and decades. But still ranked number one in Europe under Rafa because we consistently did well in the CL. What a weird world we live in. Even when we're useless we still pick up European honours, as well as domestic trophies. Criminal, ain't it? We should be happy with the odd F.A.Cup every decade...
Reina, check. Gerrard, check. Torres, check. I make that three world class players in the team. Agree with you about Carra and mentioned it on here several times last season. Gerrard is also approaching the stage where he should be moved on, in the best traditions of the club selling players as they just pass their peak and we get the money to reinvest on a replacement. Oddly enough our last manager thought along those lines too... are you Rafa in disguise Scott?
I have every sympathy with Torres at the moment. Most of the crowd who turn up at Anfield are uninterested in the football we're playing at the moment.
And rightly so - in fact, he was under pressure from a lot of fans the moment the dimwit thought that a reversion to 4-4-2 hoofball would be sufficient at Liverpool. The man is drowning not waving. See previous comment.
That wasn't a dig at Manchester United. Well, unless a simple statement of fact is sufficient to be a dig at Manchester United.
Btw - doesn't bother me in the slightest that Bill Shankly wasn't knighted - he was a man of the people not a champagne socialist like Clough and others. Sir Bob should have been though. It's rare for a footballing man to achieve that much success, give so much to the game, and have even his biggest rival acclaim him as a genuine gentleman. The reason why it rubs so much is because it was fairly evident that the politics of the early 80s was the reason why a good man didn't get that recognition.
I never one called you Useless, You just achieved very little, and still talk like you the main club...... The fact your happy with a few FA Cups, one Champs league and a couple of carling cup in 20 years, show a lot about Ambition.....
You speak of Reina as world class, Granted that is true. Torres at the moment is anything but World class. Gerrard you say, is close to the stage where he should be moved on.... or not relied on as much as possible. I never question there ability, Just highlighted how your squad has got weaker.. Which no-one can deny.
Yet you traditionally give managers time? but Roy was under pressure from day one.... Zeb the newer brand of fan, isnt the same as you... they haven't been through what you have. ( neither have I) they want instant success.
You are knocked off your Perch.... He may never win that many European Cups... but i wouldnt put it past Fergie to take us to 5. Would you? He lost 4-1 at OT, So what? We won the league that year. I not too fussed over it now?
Souness was nearly 20 years ago, get over it.
Your one of the few, in the same way it doesn't bother me, that Fergie has only 2 European Cups to his Utd Tenure.. I not too fussed, He is after all a very successful manager.
Cant believe a Liverpool fan wants Gerrard moving on, absolutley shocking. Just because hes "coming to the end". Hes still the best player in our team and still has 2 great years in him and his experience an passion as our captain will help us a lot to come good. What he brings an has brought to the club is priceless.
Dont want to blab on anyway I'm just shocked.
Dont want to blab on anyway I'm just shocked.
Why?
We can retain him on £120k a week til he calls it a day, or we can sell him as we sold Keegan and Souness and Rush and bring in a replacement. It's how we've operated since Shankly's day mate - the boot room took the lesson of Shankly's seven year spell without a trophy; be loyal but be ruthless - club is there to win things. If you get chance, have a look at how Paisley let Thompson know his time as a player with us was over. Crazy to think otherwise in my book....
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Contradicted yourself there mate. If we don't expect to win trophies and show a lack of ambition that must clearly show that we don't think we're the main club :S
Torres is world class, have you watched Liverpool this season. He is a striker that thrives off balls into the channels, he has been getting long balls hoofed at him left, right and centre. Do you think Messi would look world class with the service at Liverpool? But yeah, I agree the squad has definitely weakened and does need improvement.
Roy was rightfully under pressure as Rafa was wrongfully sacked, on top of that he brought in Christian Poulsen and Paul ******* Konchesky. And he plays uglier football than Fat Sam. Anyone who wants instant success should look at supporting another club, as the new owners are looking at a long term plan, we may have a difficult season or two, depending on how new players gel and maybe even a new manager. The club is in a transitional phase at the moment.
Not even going to go into this one as it will turn into a L'pool v United argument. Just like to say Souness ruined the club, had he not been the manager when Fergie went to United we would have been competing with United, and depending on the circumstances probably still would be.
Where did I say I was happy Scott? I called it a relatively unsuccessful period in the club's history. And it has been. That said, even when we're going through that period we're still picking up silverware. That's the point I'm making - that's why Liverpool is a tad different to other clubs. I remember you lot being over the moon with a decent title challenge and an FA Cup - I mean absolutely high as kites. We'd still view that as a relatively unsuccessful season and we're on our backsides.
For sure, but the finances are now there to reinvest in the squad and make up some of the lost ground. Even within the new financial fair play rules, we're in a very strong position to do this in comparison to our domestic and European competitors. As would you lot be if you managed to get rid of the Glazers.
In some ways, I'd go another ten years without a single piece of silverware if it guaranteed the numpties got out and stayed out of the club or claiming any kind of affiliation to it. Chelsea would be welcome to them as you've already got your fair share. Mr.Hodgson was under pressure from day one because it was very evident that he was being appointed for the wrong reasons and his brand of football was regressive - in fact Houllier was sacked for setting his teams up to play that way. With little support at board level (well, none to be blunt), it still took a year of media campaigning, spin and retarded criticism for the temporary board to pluck up the courage to sack him at the end of a season whilst he was on holiday. The Kop isn't what it was, but we've still not called for Hodgson's head on a matchday. Yet.
Given the strength of Barcelona, the age of Ferguson, the weakness of your squad in historic terms, I'd be amazed if Ferguson won more than one more CL before the good man upstairs calls time on his career. But this isn't a Manchester United thread, and the point is only really raised because even now you're in our shadow. Your finest most glorious epoch (in colour too) and still you're playing catch-up. That's why Liverpool is still a world renowned team and attracts a decent calibre of manager all other things being equal.
If you check about, there's a reason why we call Shankly 'Shanks' and Bob Paisley 'Sir Bob' or 'Uncle Bob'. Reflects the very different characters of two very brilliant men.
Staying on the main topic of the thread, I think this is quite pointless and pathetic. Everyone contradicts themselves now and again, sure some more than others but football managers need to say the ‘right thing at the right time’ when dealing with the media or it comes back to haunt them.
I’m sure if I was sad/pathetic enough to scroll through Sir Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho’s quotes/statements we would find many a hypocrisy or contradiction. Think of all the times SAF has come out citing how managers waste money, and then he spends 10m? on Bebe without having seen him play.
Even on our own forums, users will say one thing in one thread then completely change their minds on another. I got shot down on older threads for suggesting Hodgson was not the right appointment. Now many of those users are critical of his performance. It’s just the way things are, I’m 99% sure I have done the same.
What does contradictory media statements have to do with the managers or the clubs performance? It’s clutching at straws if you ask me.
I’m sure if I was sad/pathetic enough to scroll through Sir Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho’s quotes/statements we would find many a hypocrisy or contradiction. Think of all the times SAF has come out citing how managers waste money, and then he spends 10m? on Bebe without having seen him play.
Even on our own forums, users will say one thing in one thread then completely change their minds on another. I got shot down on older threads for suggesting Hodgson was not the right appointment. Now many of those users are critical of his performance. It’s just the way things are, I’m 99% sure I have done the same.
What does contradictory media statements have to do with the managers or the clubs performance? It’s clutching at straws if you ask me.
but you " Liverpool ******* FC" In your words, You most surely deserve better...... You speak like you do anyway.
But Roy has had no time to work with these new Owners, so you cant judge him on what was there before, and we have no real idea how these owners are going to play the transfer market yet...
But from Day 1, he should of been given a chance, you are what 8th?( Guessing) Well you finished 7th last year with a stronger squad..... So if Roy manages to get you to lets say 5th this season... Wouldn't that be an improvement....?
The Weakness of the squad? Thats funny considering we topped our group, Conceded one goal. Top the league and haven't even reached 3rd gear yet... We are a stronger team then we where 12 months ago, with out a shadow of a doubt, and the only thing that stopped us potentially being in the final of the champs league, was a moment of Magic from a certain Dutch Winger... So i wouldn't right us off at all. I going out on the firing line here, by saying we will be the best English Side in Europe this year.... And if anyone wants to take me up on that bet, they are more then Welcome( lets see who will put there money where they mouth is?)
I don't know why you called them Paisley, Sir Bob, Or Shankly, Shanks, has anything to do with anything on this thread. Simply i was saying if Fergie moved up stairs tonight, He would be very happy with his Career. and So would everyone else. So the fact he only has 2( Such a bad thing) European Cups, is not important.