Rupert Murdoch and News Corp. are all massive twats: Discuss!

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Back to Chaz's point a second:

Murdoch's company owns around 38 pct of BSkyB currently and the takeover deal would involve News Corp buying the remaining 62 pct of shares to give him total control. But this whole NOTW story has completely blown BSkyB shares off the market, which has barely been mentioned here is some figures from the FT:
Shares in BSkyB fell 33p, or 4%, to 779p on Friday morning, taking their total decline this week to 6%, a drop that has wiped more than £700m off the value of the business.

Unbelievable damaging to the takeover, if he monopolises Sky that would give him control of half the TV stations in this country and the provider/installer of them...Prepare for Fox News England and 'Fox 1', the Coalition can not let this happen it will be the death of journalism in this country to let him have BSkyB. He will bring over his political alliance/popular spin **** like he did with Fox News in America/Australia...Awful.

Seriously hope the Government suspending its decision on the takeover means they are actually reconsidering not just stalling until the whole thing 'blows over' then just accept it when a really bad bit of news happens that it gets overlooked.

As Joss/Everyone in the UK says, Murdoch is a ****.
 
Seriously hope the Government suspending its decision on the takeover means they are actually reconsidering not just stalling until the whole thing 'blows over' then just accept it when a really bad bit of news happens that it gets overlooked.

This is a genuine concern... Can't help but feel Cameron will do exactly what RM wants him to and effectively ignore his reputation because he's no longer officially associated with the NOTW scandal.
 
A newspaper disbanding isn't history; the twin towers collapsing is. The paper has changed ten-fold in it's history, it is nothing like it was 10/20 years ago. The rest of the world won't even know about this and won't care. But yes, they are indeed twats.
 
A newspaper disbanding isn't history; the twin towers collapsing is. The paper has changed ten-fold in it's history, it is nothing like it was 10/20 years ago. The rest of the world won't even know about this and won't care. But yes, they are indeed twats.

The rest of the world most certainly will know. Murdoch owns half the world ffs.

Whether it's changed is irrelevant - it's a 168 year old paper which is being shut down because of this scandal. It's of huge significance. I don't understand how you can't see that.
 
Probably because I don't read newspapers really, and I've certainly never read the NotW. This will be forgotten about sooner rather than later (the shut down)
 
Probably because I don't read newspapers really, and I've certainly never read the NotW. This will be forgotten about sooner rather than later (the shut down)

Well exactly - you don't read it, and yet you know what it is, what they do and stand for etc. That on its own shows how big a paper it is.
 
Regardless if myself or others don't read the paper you have to admit that it is one of the biggest papers in the world. It has been going for over 150 years now and it is THE Sunday paper. It has been at the centre of thousands of extremely important stories (Just last year there was John Higgins and the Pakistani cricketers). It is going to go down in history, 160 years gone in the way it did is obviously going to be remembered.
 
This is a genuine concern... Can't help but feel Cameron will do exactly what RM wants him to and effectively ignore his reputation because he's no longer officially associated with the NOTW scandal.

No politician will do anything to **** him off. He has too much media power, and whatever they do to him you can guarantee will come back to haunt them at the next election.

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People here forgetting Murdoch is funding the EPL through Sky? He's a brilliant business man who is keeping a lot of people in work.

Whine all you want, he's doing more for the UK's unemployment rate than any gov't could.

There'd be more employment if he wasn't monopolising the market.
 
No politician will do anything to **** him off. He has too much media power, and whatever they do to him you can guarantee will come back to haunt them at the next election.

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There'd be more employment if he wasn't monopolising the market.

Completely agree on both points. Cameron is very chummy with Brooks, Coulsen and Murdoch... But then Blair was pretty chummy with Ghaddaffi!
 
Completely agree on both points. Cameron is very chummy with Brooks, Coulsen and Murdoch... But then Blair was pretty chummy with Ghaddaffi!

Sadly any politician from every major party will always be chummy with him until he's broken down.
 
This is a genuine concern... Can't help but feel Cameron will do exactly what RM wants him to and effectively ignore his reputation because he's no longer officially associated with the NOTW scandal.

Also, Murdoch is a tory supporter, (possibly donates to the party?)
If you notice the 4 newspapers in the UK, (Sun, Times, NOTW & sunday times), they all publish their articles with a slight Tory bias, subtle enough to sway people, spinning stuff slightly.
If Murdoch owns more brittish media, Cameron (and the Conservative party as a whole), will have more of the media putting a positive spin on tory affairs, and increase the number of people likely to vote. Say what you like, any party would do the same!
 
Erm, sort of.

Without Murdoch BSkyB is worth 8 Billion alone as a company on the market, he doesn't fund any of it really Chaz he is a majority shareholder but the company is ran seperate to News Corp to an extent. Plus if he didn't pay for the rights of exclusivity for the BPL in England/Italy/Germany then Virgin Media subscriptions would sky rocket and I would bet all my money that without BPL coverage Sky Sports would lose viewership and Branson would probably setup a Virgin Sports channel or ITV would pay the money for rights plus the real increase we see in Premier League TV money every year is from overseas TV rights rising by 8 pct+ every season...

Murdoch is not really needed in this country, if the Guardian Media Group ran the NOTW then none of these procedures would ever have taken place...Fact. The government see's what he has done to the American market and wants to stop him doing that here, and on the point of jobs 500 people lost their jobs when he ended the NOTW with 300 of them 'replaced within the organisation' and 200 of them out the door permanently so he doesn't create that many jobs...

In fact through NOTW/Sun scandals over the years Murdoch's probably lost people more jobs than he has created to be honest.

It's not the same company as NOTW, so I would assume it is run by different people, but the same person does own both. I'm not talking about funding as in bankrolling Greece, it's more that he's the one paying for the TV rights and thus keeps it going. As for creating jobs, he still owns the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times, Sky and BSkyB, which is a considerable amount of jobs. He probably lost a fair amount of employees this year as he shut down NOTW, he's done way worse before, such as the Wapping thing where he fired 6000. However, he's in the money making business, not charity.


The point isn't that they've done something a) pretty despicable and b) they're all massive twats as the thread title suggests, but that one of the best known newspapers of the last century and a half (168 years old) is completely shutting down (regardless of replacement paper) - this IS going to be a massive part of history.

I didn't defend closing NOTW, but in the end, it's his decision to make. I don't tell you where to invest your money.

What? He's a brilliant businessman who happens to be involved in Sky, and also happens to generate interest and money in his (former - that feels so good!) paper through completely immoral and unethical methods. Are you suggesting we simply ignore all the phone-hacking and general cuntishness because he has connections to the Premier-League?

No, that's not what I said at all. In my opinion, NOTW should be fined a horrendous amount of money and send a bunch of them to jail, including whoever authorised the hacking.

He's everything that's wrong with business - setting up a monopoly where he controls 100s of media outlets and has so much power that he feels he can do whatever the **** he wants. Luckily, Hugh Grant and co. have ensured that he CAN'T do whatever the **** he wants for the time-being. That's a good thing.

Berlusconi owns the Italian media as well. I'm very much against monopolies, however if nobody's good enough to even challenge him there's not much you can do bar banning him from working. In Norway the government subsidises every single newspaper, making them dependent on the government, creating a kind of monopoly; we have only a slightly right-leaning newspaper, and they just called the socialist lefties (who are considered a joke) the academic party. This is a party that are against Norway drilling for oil, which is 75% of the gov't's income. An example of how government intervention isn't exactly good for journalism is the BBC during the Wikileaks stuff - I had to go to the Norwegian websites to dig up proper dirt on the UK because nobody in the UK was publishing it.

Essentially, either you allow competition (and thus the possibility of a monopoly) or you end up with a mess of government regulation and intervention which sets a very bad precedent (at least in my opinion).

Back to Chaz's point a second:

Murdoch's company owns around 38 pct of BSkyB currently and the takeover deal would involve News Corp buying the remaining 62 pct of shares to give him total control. But this whole NOTW story has completely blown BSkyB shares off the market, which has barely been mentioned here is some figures from the FT:
Shares in BSkyB fell 33p, or 4%, to 779p on Friday morning, taking their total decline this week to 6%, a drop that has wiped more than £700m off the value of the business.

Unbelievable damaging to the takeover, if he monopolises Sky that would give him control of half the TV stations in this country and the provider/installer of them...Prepare for Fox News England and 'Fox 1', the Coalition can not let this happen it will be the death of journalism in this country to let him have BSkyB. He will bring over his political alliance/popular spin **** like he did with Fox News in America/Australia...Awful.

Seriously hope the Government suspending its decision on the takeover means they are actually reconsidering not just stalling until the whole thing 'blows over' then just accept it when a really bad bit of news happens that it gets overlooked.

As Joss/Everyone in the UK says, Murdoch is a ****.

Share values isn't the same as losing money unless you sell them though.

There'd be more employment if he wasn't monopolising the market.

But it's his right to do so. Competition is good, but he's smashed all competitors so far.

Completely agree on both points. Cameron is very chummy with Brooks, Coulsen and Murdoch... But then Blair was pretty chummy with Ghaddaffi!

He was also pretty chummy with Blair.

Daily Star offices are now being raided.

News Of The World: Andy Coulson, Former Editor, Arrested By Police Investigating Phone Hacking | UK News | Sky News

They wouldn't be missed if they went. Very crappy newspaper indeed

About ****** time.
 
It's actually disgusting the amount of power the Murdoch's have, the fact that he owns basically every national, local and regional newspaper in Australia as well as a major TV network is shocking... Even in this country, the power he has, especially on things like politics is unbelievable... 1980/90's, he supported Margaret Thatcher, she got into power, then later on, he changed his support to Labour's Tony Blair (blatantly supporting him in The Sun, which was selling 3m copies every day), and he also became Prime Minister... Then when it was time for the elections last year, he supported David Cameron, and look who our Prime Minister is now! The guy has enough power already, to let him have any more would be wrong.
 
It's actually disgusting the amount of power the Murdoch's have, the fact that he owns basically every national, local and regional newspaper in Australia as well as a major TV network is shocking... Even in this country, the power he has, especially on things like politics is unbelievable... 1980/90's, he supported Margaret Thatcher, she got into power, then later on, he changed his support to Labour's Tony Blair (blatantly supporting him in The Sun, which was selling 3m copies every day), and he also became Prime Minister... Then when it was time for the elections last year, he supported David Cameron, and look who our Prime Minister is now! The guy has enough power already, to let him have any more would be wrong.

God damnit, the man is successful! Annul his property rights and steal, I mean redistribute, what he owns! He's also changed his political allegiance depending on who's in power, who gave him free will!?
 
Jeremy Hunt referred News Corporation's £8bn bid for BSkyB to the Competition Commission, pushing it back at least six months, after Rupert Murdoch chose on Monday to withdraw his offer to spin off Sky News in order to get the media merger cleared by regulators.

Forty-five minutes before Hunt was due to get up and address MPs to update them on how he would handle the Sky bid, Murdoch's News Corp said it was "withdrawing its proposed undertakings in lieu of reference to the Competition Commission".

Without the undertaking – spinning off Sky News into a separately listed public company 39.1% owned by News Corp – Hunt will have not alternative but to refer the bid for BSkyB to the Competition Commission. That will take 24 weeks, although the Competition Commission has the option of a further eight weeks to evaluate the deal.

News Corporation said it would work with the Competition Commission if necessary. "Should the secretary of state for culture, Olympics, media and sport decide on this basis to refer the proposed transaction to the Competition Commission for a detailed review, News Corporation is ready to engage with the Competition Commission on substance," it said in a statement.

Speaking at 4.20pm in the Commons, Hunt told MPs that he would "now refer this [the bid] to the Competition Commission with immediate effect".

The Competition Commission now has the option to either clear or block the proposed takeover, or to propose remedies that would ease concerns about "media plurality". By opting to have the bid examined by the Competition Commission, News Corp loses control of determining its potential concessions; previously the company had, in effect, offered to spin off Sky News on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.

News Corp insiders said that while it had hoped to avoid a referral to the Competition Commission, its efforts had "clearly failed" and that the greater riskiness of going to the Competition Commission was nevertheless worth it because the regulator would focus on issues of "media plurality" – which means it would not take into consideration the impact of any further disclosures as regards phone hacking.
 
Daily Mirror tomorrow:
''You can hack Dowler...You can hack Military familes...You can bribe police...But hack the beloved DIANA? Step to far NOTW.''

Guaranteed.
 
Essentially, either you allow competition (and thus the possibility of a monopoly) or you end up with a mess of government regulation and intervention which sets a very bad precedent (at least in my opinion).

No offense but I felt like I had to wash my hands after reading this. The "mess of governmental regulations" you're referring to that exists in every industry to prevent monopolization is vital for the stability of an economy...there are many reasons the boom/bust cycle before the World War II era was much more volatile than it is now, but one of them is a vast amount of anti-trust legislation that has prevented the consolidation in many industries, which helps keep competition healthy and brings a more equitable distribution of wealth. We've moved away from that in the past 30 or so years and we've seen unhealthy consolidation in a lot of industries, particularly telecommunications and certain aspects of finance. This was done in the name of efficiency, using the exact logic you used in your post. I won't claim that this was a cause of the financial crisis but I believe they're correlated.

But that's entirely besides the point. Whether or not anti-trust regulations for the media are efficient or not is completely irrelevant. The media is a public good. It has an immeasurable impact on how people view the world and politics in particular, especially in the modern world with the popularity of the television. Peoples' worldview is more profoundly shaped by the media than ever before. Maintaining the healthy state of this good is extremely important for the citizens of that nation as well as the audience in other parts of the globe and it is vital for the well-being of a democracy. The media as a whole has an immense amount of political power because of how much influence it has over the popular perception of politics. When the press is freer and comprised of a variety of sources, this isn't an issue. When one entity controls a significant portion of it, whether it is the state or a large corporate conglomerate, the press is less free, gravely endangering the fairness of the political process.

What's worse with private consolidation of the media is that the public has little to no control over it...if the state controls too large a share of the media (we're assuming this is a liberal democracy because there is a free press), the public can exercise its votes to change the policies: perhaps by changing the personnel involved in running the media outlets or the amount of organizations or sources (channels, papers, etc.) available or changing the laws to allow allow more private competition, among other things. When the media is monopolized by huge conglomerates, however, as is the case in the US and Britain, the public has little to no control over the matter. We have no real way to 'vote them out' or to change who controls our media and what sources are given access to media outlets.

And equally as important is the goal of these institutions. In this day and age where the public depends so much on the media for information and in which the public's perception is so heavily influenced by it, the journalistic integrity of the media is of paramount importance. This public good in this case is so important that we are much better off having media sources whose sole purpose is one of journalistic duty and not of profit. These two are fundamentally different, and the public suffers as a result of only having access to large corporate media outlets who only care about profits and not the quality or objectivity of the immensely important journalistic service that they provide to the public.

There's a reason that my homepage is the BBC and not some ****** American newspaper. It's because the BBC is one of the best institutions of journalism in the world and it's due in no small part to the fact that that is their goal instead of profit.

But it's his right to do so. Competition is good, but he's smashed all competitors so far.

It's not his "right" to do so. Luckily we live in some sort of democracy and the public has a voice in how our economy is managed. Businessmen must act within the confines of whatever policy the public decides is best for the nation as a whole. In any modern, civilized country, there are strict rules (well, not quite as much in the past two or three decades or so) against the consolidation of industries so that there is healthy and fair competition. This is good for the economy and it is good for the public. I don't know the specifics of the laws in Britain, although my guess is that Murdoch has amassed this empire legally thanks to the push Britain has made towards deregulation in all areas in the past few decades. Hopefully the public comes to its senses and starts to clamp down a bit so that it's not this bad for future generations. And as far as "smashing competition goes," whether or not he is doing so legally it's not healthy for the economy and it isn't fair either. Although it may be possible in the libertarian Rayndian fantasy world a lot of people live in, in this industry in particular there is no way some mom and pop newspaper or TV station can seriously challenge the Murdoch empire. And even if it did, Murdoch would simply buy it up. That is not fair, it is not sound economically, and it is bad for the health of Britain's democracy. I find it disgusting that you're trying to defend this, that your first thought would be to value what you perceive to be efficiency, and more importantly his "right" to amass this empire, over any of the other values I've just expressed (democracy, freedom of thought, the economy as a whole, the British public, etc. etc.)

God damnit, the man is successful! Annul his property rights and steal, I mean redistribute, what he owns! He's also changed his political allegiance depending on who's in power, who gave him free will!?

He's successful at amassing a vast amount of wealth ultimately at the expense of the British populace in many different ways. Again, why on earth would you even think to value that over the good of Britain's democracy, society, and economy, among other things? And cleaning up the regulations within Britain's media industry certainly doesn't have to mean annuling his property "rights."
 
Agreed RE: Murdoch Curtis. Disagree on the BBC point, the journalism fluctuates between good and bad. The sport section seems to be rapidly deteriorating in particular, and people have to pay license fee for a product they may not even have interest in using, and even then, is prone to being extremely sloppy in its journalism at times.
 
What he said ^.

I would have replied to Chaz's points myself but I didn't notice he replied to my points on BSkyB/Murdoch, Murdoch doesn't really have executive decision on deciding whether Sky buys BPL or not. They pay the market rate for exclusivity in Italy/Germany/England to show the BPL, if they didn't someone else would like I said. 700 million has actually doubled since I posted and BSkyB shares are now trading below the offered price of 7 pounds, so the company has lost huge value.

Anyway the good news is rumours in the city are that Murdoch's takeover is dead and Pension funds are going to move in and buy alot of BSkyB shares at a cheap price...

Heard analysts saying they would prefer a competent proven organisation like NewsCorp ran BSkyB than a bunch of Investment/Pension groups who have no clue about broadcasting, well I would say look at US television and what Fox has done to that. Clearly would not be a good thing, bad news is that Murdoch is circling on ITN after it failed to reach profit projections in Q2 and is losing money on an annual basis. Value of ITN/ITV is probably around 2-3 billion so about half the cost of a BSkyB takeover, either way Murdoch is getting into UK broadcasting eventually...
 
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