Spain dominate Ballon d'Or shortlist as English players miss out

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Who (Do you think) should win the [FIFA] Ballon d'Or?

  • Xabi Alonso (Spain)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Daniel Alves (Brazil)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Iker Casillas (Spain)

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal)

    Votes: 6 7.1%
  • Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast)

    Votes: 6 7.1%
  • Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Cesc F?bregas (Spain)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Diego Forl?n (Uruguay)

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Asamoah Gyan (Ghana)

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • Andr?s Iniesta (Spain)

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • J?lio C?sar (Brazil)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Miroslav Klose (Germany)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Philipp Lahm (Germany)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Maicon (Brazil)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lionel Messi (Argentina)

    Votes: 27 32.1%
  • Thomas M?ller (Germany)

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Mesut Ozil (Germany)

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • Carles Puyol (Spain)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Arjen Robben (Holland)

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germany)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Wesley Sneijder (Holland)

    Votes: 13 15.5%
  • David Villa (Spain)

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Xavi (Spain)

    Votes: 4 4.8%

  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
guys appreciate the good debate, but try and bring it back to this years Ballon d'Or.

At least its a good natured one though
 
Because everyone knew he was going to be the best player in the world! Not because he was at the time. We can have this argument all day long, but as a United fan I thought you would have appreciated quite how good he was for you that season.

trust i appreciate Chrissy until the day i die, i just dont see how you can use he went for 80million as a reason for him winning an adward, apart from most expensive player adward. Messi was very good.

Scott i think you have very short term mwmory. Ronaldo in 2006-07 was miles ahead of Messi. I;m not talking about today, 2006-07 Ronaldo was the best. Anyways seeing your posts i dont think you even remember that season.

And no i was not talking about goals. I was talking about how influential was that player for his team to win something. That is not even for debate.

Looking at my posts, Well lets talk about your posts, You seem convinced that there is no arguement for Messi to win it that year, when there clearly is and he did. I remember that season fondly. it was a great year, I just watched it all and dont think you can clearly ever define a set winner in these types of adwards, as so many players have good years.

EDIT: Sorry Madsheep.
 
Looking at my posts, Well lets talk about your posts, You seem convinced that there is no arguement for Messi to win it that year, when there clearly is and he did. I remember that season fondly. it was a great year, I just watched it all and dont think you can clearly ever define a set winner in these types of adwards, as so many players have good years.

EDIT: Sorry Madsheep.

You think Messi won that year? I'm talking about 2006-07 where messi was injured many times.
 
You think Messi won that year? I'm talking about 2006-07 where messi was injured many times.

oh your talking about the year Kaka single handed carried AC milan to the Champions league title and raped every team( including us)

That Year, i can see how Kaka won it, yes.
 
This, can't understand the decision to put Asamoah Gyan in there - OK, he had a good WC, but surely the award is based on more than just that? Roo should really be in there ahead of him, he'd actually have a chance as well.. It seems just a tad unlikely that Gyan will get any votes, certainly not enough.

Poll added.

they got to the semi's if Im not mistaken ..
 
trust i appreciate Chrissy until the day i die, i just dont see how you can use he went for 80million as a reason for him winning an adward, apart from most expensive player adward. Messi was very good.



Looking at my posts, Well lets talk about your posts, You seem convinced that there is no arguement for Messi to win it that year, when there clearly is and he did. I remember that season fondly. it was a great year, I just watched it all and dont think you can clearly ever define a set winner in these types of adwards, as so many players have good years.

EDIT: Sorry Madsheep.
I don't know how many times I need to say it before you register it but I am not using it as a reason for why he won it I am simply saying that I believe that he was the best player in the world and for that reason he became the most expensive player of all time. Regardless of whether Messi "would have gone for more" or not.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well, (had a heavy night at ocies last night, didn't get in till 4 and got up at 6 for work so my head's not on the best form) if someone understands me better could they please explain to Scott what I am trying to say.
 
oh your talking about the year Kaka single handed carried AC milan to the Champions league title and raped every team( including us)

That Year, i can see how Kaka won it, yes.


Yes, i used the same logic to say Milito should have in that list and either him or Sneijder should win it.

Kaka had a brilliant champions league but average league performance still he won it.

Ronaldo was amazing whole season but still finished in 3rd place behind Messi.
 
I don't know how many times I need to say it before you register it but I am not using it as a reason for why he won it I am simply saying that I believe that he was the best player in the world and for that reason he became the most expensive player of all time. Regardless of whether Messi "would have gone for more" or not.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well, (had a heavy night at ocies last night, didn't get in till 4 and got up at 6 for work so my head's not on the best form) if someone understands me better could they please explain to Scott what I am trying to say.

I try to outline what i understand from what you said.

Ronaldo went for 80million --> was best player in the world. --> should of won it.

my reasoning is, Was ONE of the best players, Went for 80million a few years later. Messi could of gone for more. Kaka won it in 2007 season. messi the following year. so whats the problem.
 
gyan had a great world cup tbf for a poo side.

I don't deny that, but Suarez had a better World Cup IMO. He scored the same amount of goals as Gyan (although Gyan scored 2 penalties and missed 1), went further in the tournament and almost "single-handedly" won Uruguay the quarter-final against Gyan's team. Not to mention that he scored an absolute beauty against S.Korea.
 
Yes, i used the same logic to say Milito should have in that list and either him or Sneijder should win it.

Kaka had a brilliant champions league but average league performance still he won it.

Ronaldo was amazing whole season but still finished in 3rd place behind Messi.


So you actually care who finished 3rd. Oh dear. Kaka was above average in all comps. and throughly deserved his win.

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I don't deny that, but Suarez had a better World Cup IMO. He scored the same amount of goals as Gyan (although Gyan scored 2 penalties and missed 1), went further in the tournament and almost "single-handedly" won Uruguay the quarter-final against Gyan's team. Not to mention that he scored an absolute beauty against S.Korea.

I agree Suarez should be on the list, instead of Klose.
 
I try to outline what i understand from what you said.

Ronaldo went for 80million --> was best player in the world. --> should of won it.

my reasoning is, Was ONE of the best players, Went for 80million a few years later. Messi could of gone for more. Kaka won it in 2007 season. messi the following year. so whats the problem.

Kaka won it, then Ronaldo, then Messi.
 
So why the **** are you complaining. Kaka deserved it that year, he single handily won the champs league.

Thats why i said these awards are joke. Kaka was excellent in champions league but average in league. Ronaldo was excellent in both. But champions league winners are preferred to other wins.

You are not getting the point.
To put it very simple,

Henry didnt win when he was the best player. So these awards are just joke.

With this i rest my case.
 
Thats why i said these awards are joke. Kaka was excellent in champions league but average in league. Ronaldo was excellent in both. But champions league winners are preferred to other wins.

You are not getting the point.
To put it very simple,

Henry didnt win when he was the best player. So these awards are just joke.

With this i rest my case.

Kaka was great in both, in a weaker team. Which you dont seem to get or more likely understand. It is more on unbeilevable indivual brillance, not neccessarily you played well in a world class team.
 
Kaka was great in both, in a weaker team. Which you dont seem to get or more likely understand. It is more on unbeilevable indivual brillance, not neccessarily you played well in a world class team.

This is not regarding award, but we were far from world class team. We had the same team 4 years prior and same team now. Ronaldo at peak carried us. When Kaka had the moment of brilliance we had our first choice CBs injured in the first leg and half fit in the second leg.

Anyways i didnt start on Kaka, it was more on Messi finishing second and Henry being far from winning and Totti for being ignored after having blinder of a season.
 
Who cares? It's just a personal award, it doesn't really matter. It's basically impossible to accurately select a shortlist of the world's best players, as, unlike FM, there's no good way of comparing different positions with each other. Attacking players will look better than goalkeepers more often that not, especially for good sides (as the attackers get lots of the ball, and the goalkeeper is rarely worked).
 
This is not regarding award, but we were far from world class team. We had the same team 4 years prior and same team now. Ronaldo at peak carried us. When Kaka had the moment of brilliance we had our first choice CBs injured in the first leg and half fit in the second leg.

Anyways i didnt start on Kaka, it was more on Messi finishing second and Henry being far from winning and Totti for being ignored after having blinder of a season.

We Wherent a world class team? Okay if you say so, when will we beat a world class team then?
 
We Wherent a world class team? Okay if you say so, when will we beat a world class team then?


So you think we are world class team now? Team is same except crocked Rio and no Ronaldo.
 
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