Swansea Treble First Season (Sumthin's 4-2-3-1)

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I have 2 questions about this tactic.

1. Future-proof. How long has this been tested in game and when (if it happens) does it tend to succumb to the AI?

2. Defensive set-piece tweaks. Is the download link already with the tips from the OP added into the tactic?

Many thanks.
 
I have tried this out a couple of times :)

I had one good game, it was a friendly though! the rest were not so good, a few wins, but conceding nearly as much, hit on the counter a lot as well!

I ran a test with this and a few of my tactics last night, and Callums new domination one, this was the 2nd worst, I used it for Liverpool on holiday, they came in 6th, Everton (Callum) came in 9th (but he had the worst team out the lot)

It does work, it just feels a little like those *** tactics that exploit the engine and flaws and I for one don't enjoy using them myself!

I do hope you asked Mr Hough if you could use his tactic?

I would also like to see a tactic made from scratch from you as well :) not using anyone's work

Honestly I don't know how people don't have success with this tactic.
And it doesn't work at all if you are going to be using it on holiday mode,this is because of many things.
1.Amc is the playmaker and it changes every other game.And assistant doesn't change that,also assistant plays his own formation for certain time periods,usually a 442.
2.Also,the tweaks which have to be made,e.g.-dropping amc to mc when playing against a dm,decreasing mc mentality if midfielders are going to further ahead and leaving team susceptible to counter.(NEW TWEAK-DROP MENTALITY BY 3 CLICKS)

Even in my united save,where I was on an unbeaten season,without loosing a game,my assistant,massimo tagliani or something lead the team in 15 games and lost 8 or 7.only doing well when he played his 442.

2.I do not know why you are saying it exploits the match engine.I really don't know so much about the match engine to exploit it.Only thing I reckon I did knowingly was the corner setting,I knew it was a great ball to play onto the near post and used it,but if you see my version,you will see,I do not cheat by putting all players on lurk,rather I put the bigger players on other positions so that there better markers mark my main men and so my player with good anticipation and heading,who is short comes in at the near post marked by a small player and he can head it in.(i got this idea since we have mark men,mark tall and mark small,so if i put in other tall players,oppositions best headers will mark my tall players.)
And it does not even work like cheat,i only get about 30 goals a season,with the 2nd team coming in at 22 or 23.And I don't believe that is cheating.

And yes I did take permission from Mr.Hough,and he even asked me for the link to the tactic on SIGAMES forums and I was asking him for feedback but he said he dint get time to try it as he is busy trying to make his own.
If you look at the tactic now,you will see there are very few settings in the tactic which are the same as that in the original tactic as I have tweaked almost everything other then team instructions,which I am doing at the moment.

And yes,I'm on the course of building a new tactic from scratch but I don't think I will be able to make anything before the end of June at the earliest as my mid semester exams in my Uni began this week and after mid terms I will be very busy with studies and get very little time till June.:(
But yes I will make a new tactic from scratch,but as you can see in this tactic,it has a lot of handwork,in the changed player instructions on almost all the players.
I never tried to tweak tactics before as I though I would not be any good at it.until recently where I tried and it started working,since it did though I will try my hand at making a tactic from scratch.Even though I am playing since Cm4,which is set in the 02-03 season,i never made tactics after fm10,where i realized I could download them,so yes I am a bit rusty.
Anyways,when I am done making it,you will be one of the first person I send it and then you can test it without going on holiday :P.Also I shall be contacting you for help regarding the tactics,when Im making them.Cheers.

And to others,I did tweak the problems from counter,Just put ur dm to one or two clicks back,maybe even 3.In home games you don't need to,but in away games,you can drop the mentality by 2 notches at least.It will help them stay back.Atm,I have increased the mentality of the amc to full and also his creative freedom.I have also increased his passing to the highest level of short passing and it is going very well for me,though I drop it in games where he can't be an influence.I have tried with it Lazio,where some GRENIER was on loan,he is a pretty good in the second season and he has got 3 MoM's in 4 games.So you could try that tweak as well.Cheers.And I am playing with the mentality of RIGHT FB increased by one.
 
First, never judge a tactic before the team is 100% used to it. This is espessialy important for the defense. Some tactics even work better before they are 100%, but almost all tactics won't work as good before they are 100% used to them.

If you have problems defending corners, here is what I use, I've had 0 goals against in 18 matches. Ofcourse you might not find that it works so well for you, but you could try it:

GK Default
DR Near
DCR Tall
DCL Tall
DL Mk far
DMCR Man
DMCL Man
AMR Man
AMC Fwd
AML Man
ST Fwd
 
I've been getting some very good results with this Akash
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My Gangneung City are leading the K-League, and my Nigeria team is ripping everything it touches to pieces (apart from a very credible draw away to Italy)

Season is almost finished so I will post some screen shots later tonight if I can, but good work Akash, it plays some good football, lethal on the break, and reasonably solid despite my defenders being very very poor.​
 
Thanks man :) Sorry to ask so many questions, but I just want to ensure I'm doing everything you did to ensure success.

So you didn't put the rb mentality up by one click? and also did you rest your players in between games?
no i didnt touch rb mentality also i rest players when they needed apart from damiao i trie to play him much as i can allthough i did rest him few games.after march/april
 
What is the difference between the two tactics that is uploaded?
Is it the corner routines for defensive corners or offensive? About to try it in Swedish div.1!

chhers!
 
I have 2 questions about this tactic.

1. Future-proof. How long has this been tested in game and when (if it happens) does it tend to succumb to the AI?

2. Defensive set-piece tweaks. Is the download link already with the tips from the OP added into the tactic?

Many thanks.

It has been tested for two seasons with manchester united and for 1 season with swansea and for 1 season with barcelona and now 1 season with lazio almost and 1 season starting with auxxere i think or ajaccio i think.

The defensive setpiece tweaks are included in the latest version,the one which says corner tweak.It also has the all lurk attack corner in it.

In my original version,The corner is normal.

I strongly suggest you use the defensive corner that the latest version has and if you don't like using the corner bug you should use my corner routine that my normal tactic has,I guess this is the answer to you pm.Cheers!

Many thanks.

What is the difference between the two tactics that is uploaded?
Is it the corner routines for defensive corners or offensive? About to try it in Swedish div.1!

chhers!

look above and you should find your answer,do let me know how you get along though.

5 first game 4 lost :@

which team are you?do you have fast wingers and strikers?and try this,lower mentality of cm by 2-3 notch.Cheers.Things get better,trust me.

First, never judge a tactic before the team is 100% used to it. This is espessialy important for the defense. Some tactics even work better before they are 100%, but almost all tactics won't work as good before they are 100% used to them.

If you have problems defending corners, here is what I use, I've had 0 goals against in 18 matches. Ofcourse you might not find that it works so well for you, but you could try it:
0 conceded from corners?and if you are getting success and are using different types of players,do suggest so others can also try them.Cheers!And mate,screenshots would be nice.


I've been getting some very good results with this Akash
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My Gangneung City are leading the K-League, and my Nigeria team is ripping everything it touches to pieces (apart from a very credible draw away to Italy)

Season is almost finished so I will post some screen shots later tonight if I can, but good work Akash, it plays some good football, lethal on the break, and reasonably solid despite my defenders being very very poor.​

good going there mate!And nigeria will do well as they have fast players.This tactic relies on the physical attributes more than technical making it ideal for small teams,if you know who to buy.lol.Looking forward to your screenshots mate!


And to everyone,if you are having trouble with counterattacks,put dm mentalities down by 2-3 notch.Also you could try keeping one dm mentality down 2-3 notch and 1 just the way it is.This would result in one dm always staying back,hope it helps,though if you are doing this,make sure,if your amc is right footed,the left dm is the one with the unchanged mentality.

Also put amc to highest mentality and creative freedom and highest SHORT passing(just before it goes to mixed),seems to bring better results from AMC,though it has not been extensively tested.It has gotten amc 3 mom's in 4 games in my lazio save.

cheers everyone!

 
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Yeah the speed Nigeria can break at is terrifying, Ighalo up front is incredbile, and they have 2 very good holding midfielders to make up for the average defence, as well as the reliant Enyeama in goal ;)
And I'm not a big team, Gangneung City in only their 2nd season in the K-League (won it first season using a different tactic) and was predicted 7th, into the quarter finals of the Asian Champions League when I was expected to crash out in the group stage so it shows this does work with smaller teams guys :D

Can not stress how important morale is though guys, don't moan if the tactic isn't winning 8-0 every game, it needs time to adapt, and you need the players to stay happy, once you've done both this tactic does not disappoint (although I was getting results before it was fully fluent) If you lose 2 on the bounce, call a team meeting, definitely the most under-rated feature of this years game, they have at times, been season changing on other saves.

Their are plenty of team talk guides around as well now, so if you're struggling with team talks take a look at some of them, I found this guide pretty useful when trying to understand team talks themselves: Football Manager 2012 team talk guide - pre-match, half-time and full-time » Football Manager Stories
 
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It has been tested for two seasons with manchester united and for 1 season with swansea and for 1 season with barcelona and now 1 season with lazio almost and 1 season starting with auxxere i think or ajaccio i think.

The defensive setpiece tweaks are included in the latest version,the one which says corner tweak.It also has the all lurk attack corner in it.

In my original version,The corner is normal.

I strongly suggest you use the defensive corner that the latest version has and if you don't like using the corner bug you should use my corner routine that my normal tactic has,I guess this is the answer to you pm.Cheers!


Excellent mate. Thanks for getting back tome on that one.
 
Honestly I don't know how people don't have success with this tactic.
And it doesn't work at all if you are going to be using it on holiday mode,this is because of many things.
1.Amc is the playmaker and it changes every other game.And assistant doesn't change that,also assistant plays his own formation for certain time periods,usually a 442.
2.Also,the tweaks which have to be made,e.g.-dropping amc to mc when playing against a dm,decreasing mc mentality if midfielders are going to further ahead and leaving team susceptible to counter.(NEW TWEAK-DROP MENTALITY BY 3 CLICKS)

Even in my united save,where I was on an unbeaten season,without loosing a game,my assistant,massimo tagliani or something lead the team in 15 games and lost 8 or 7.only doing well when he played his 442.

2.I do not know why you are saying it exploits the match engine.I really don't know so much about the match engine to exploit it.Only thing I reckon I did knowingly was the corner setting,I knew it was a great ball to play onto the near post and used it,but if you see my version,you will see,I do not cheat by putting all players on lurk,rather I put the bigger players on other positions so that there better markers mark my main men and so my player with good anticipation and heading,who is short comes in at the near post marked by a small player and he can head it in.(i got this idea since we have mark men,mark tall and mark small,so if i put in other tall players,oppositions best headers will mark my tall players.)
And it does not even work like cheat,i only get about 30 goals a season,with the 2nd team coming in at 22 or 23.And I don't believe that is cheating.

And yes I did take permission from Mr.Hough,and he even asked me for the link to the tactic on SIGAMES forums and I was asking him for feedback but he said he dint get time to try it as he is busy trying to make his own.
If you look at the tactic now,you will see there are very few settings in the tactic which are the same as that in the original tactic as I have tweaked almost everything other then team instructions,which I am doing at the moment.

And yes,I'm on the course of building a new tactic from scratch but I don't think I will be able to make anything before the end of June at the earliest as my mid semester exams in my Uni began this week and after mid terms I will be very busy with studies and get very little time till June.:(
But yes I will make a new tactic from scratch,but as you can see in this tactic,it has a lot of handwork,in the changed player instructions on almost all the players.
I never tried to tweak tactics before as I though I would not be any good at it.until recently where I tried and it started working,since it did though I will try my hand at making a tactic from scratch.Even though I am playing since Cm4,which is set in the 02-03 season,i never made tactics after fm10,where i realized I could download them,so yes I am a bit rusty.
Anyways,when I am done making it,you will be one of the first person I send it and then you can test it without going on holiday :P.Also I shall be contacting you for help regarding the tactics,when Im making them.Cheers.

And to others,I did tweak the problems from counter,Just put ur dm to one or two clicks back,maybe even 3.In home games you don't need to,but in away games,you can drop the mentality by 2 notches at least.It will help them stay back.Atm,I have increased the mentality of the amc to full and also his creative freedom.I have also increased his passing to the highest level of short passing and it is going very well for me,though I drop it in games where he can't be an influence.I have tried with it Lazio,where some GRENIER was on loan,he is a pretty good in the second season and he has got 3 MoM's in 4 games.So you could try that tweak as well.Cheers.And I am playing with the mentality of RIGHT FB increased by one.


Don't care about Raikans opinion. He is just jealous (little sad man). All his tactics was mediocre for me. Your is just awesome ! The best tacit along with Mr.H 4-1-2-3. Thx and keep up good work !

ps. few results
http://vpx.pl/i/xTk5v.png
http://vpx.pl/i/KuNL7.png
http://vpx.pl/i/cf8Py.png

and i bought only 3 defenders so my team isnt the best for this tactic (atm, ill try to make few transfers nxt seson).
 
i know it's a stupid question... but how can i add these arrows so my players can move to directions i want?
great job btw ;)
 
i know it's a stupid question... but how can i add these arrows so my players can move to directions i want?
great job btw ;)

Arrows does not represent how and in what direction they move, its just a visual presentation of their tendency to make runs from deep. An arrow forward means often, no arrow means mixed and an arrow backwards means rarely

Edit: oh, and they are only used in Classic mode.
 
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I tried with Wigan but was conceding too many goals so went back to the original Mr Hough 12.2 which has me 10th first season. I'll try your version with a different team
 
Lokomotiv M. my team players on a scout are very the good the rating is more 70 (Dusan Tadic, Bernardo, carlos vela) there is no game!!! all game avay lost (
 
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I tried with Wigan but was conceding too many goals so went back to the original Mr Hough 12.2 which has me 10th first season. I'll try your version with a different team

mate try lowering the mentality of at least one of the dms by 2 notches.OR both of the midfielders by two notches or one notch.That should stop the conceding.
And Also try the amc tweak I have mentioned somewhere above.Cheers mate.
 
Lokomotiv M. my team players on a scout are very the good the rating is more 70 (Dusan Tadic, Bernardo, carlos vela) there is no game!!! all game avay lost (
if in an away game,the amc is too less and influence drop him to mc.
Also drop the mentality of your dm's by 1-2 notches.ATleast for one of them.
THOUGH this may affect the attack a bit,it shouldn't be a lot.
Also try the amc tweak I have mentioned.Is seeming to do the trick for me.
 
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