Swansea Treble First Season (Sumthin's 4-2-3-1)

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Sorry Akash just realised I didn't put up a screenshot of what areas my goals conceded came from, I'll do this when I get home if you want?

I would post up a picture of my Gangneung XI but it'd be pretty pointless considering no one here will know anyone and I doubt anyone has ever even heard of them before!
 
I'm French, sorry for my poor English ..

Is it possible to modify the tactic and put a MC instead of a MD ? And how ? (Maybe some specific modifications ?)
 
I'm French, sorry for my poor English ..

Is it possible to modify the tactic and put a MC instead of a MD ? And how ? (Maybe some specific modifications ?)

I have played around with this tactic and managed to turn it into à couple Of different formations. I would never use THAT formation though as its too unbalanced and the DMC and MC would just be dragged out Of position.
 
I have played around with this tactic and managed to turn it into à couple Of different formations. I would never use THAT formation though as its too unbalanced and the DMC and MC would just be dragged out Of position.

Ok, thanks for the advice and the answer. ;)
 
of course, one problem. dont know were the picture is after prt screen?

if you are using a mac,it usually gets saved on the desktop.
And I think in windows you have to press control+printscreen??--CAN ANYONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO HIM AS TO HOW TO GET SCREENSHOTS FROM A PC AND WHERE THEY ARE SAVED?

Sorry Akash just realised I didn't put up a screenshot of what areas my goals conceded came from, I'll do this when I get home if you want?

I would post up a picture of my Gangneung XI but it'd be pretty pointless considering no one here will know anyone and I doubt anyone has ever even heard of them before!

yes that would be great and also of how you score.
And also give the tactic a try with the new amc tweak.I might have a new fb tweak,still testing it though.Will let you all know how it goes by the end of my night here in Australia(its 1.05am here now).

I'm French, sorry for my poor English ..

Is it possible to modify the tactic and put a MC instead of a MD ? And how ? (Maybe some specific modifications ?)

I am looking into making a version like that,but you can play normal MC in the MD role and I have mentioned that.I played Xavi and in United I used to play Wilshere at times but its best to get a MC and not someone like wilshere as he lacks anticipation and tackling.
HERES WAHT I WOULD DO IF I HAD DECENT MC'S,GUYS LIKE YOU KNOW LEROY FER ETC(DECENTLY ENDOWED IN BOTH ATTACKING N DEFENSIVE),I WOULD GET THEM N TRAIN THEM TO PLAY DM AND PLAY THEM.IT WORKS.
THOUGH,ITS BEST TO PLAY AN OUT AND OUT DM WITH GOOD PASS N CREATIVITY.

You could of course do it if dropping the wingers down into MR and ML.

I don't think it will work,will ruin the deadliness and effectiveness of the counter attack.





 
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Hi Akash, i've been using this tactic on my save and it's been super effective, top by 11 points in the Blue Square South with only 9 games left, it's been going well however nearer the end of the season i've been taking more and more defeats, which is nothing like the form i had early-mid season. Would you recommend making any tweaks for next season or just using a different tactic occasionally to keep the AI guessing?
 
Hi Akash, i've been using this tactic on my save and it's been super effective, top by 11 points in the Blue Square South with only 9 games left, it's been going well however nearer the end of the season i've been taking more and more defeats, which is nothing like the form i had early-mid season. Would you recommend making any tweaks for next season or just using a different tactic occasionally to keep the AI guessing?

Im guessing your players are jaded as in those leagues your squad is not going to be as big as it would be with a bigger team.The same thing happened to me with Swansea,just sometimes play **** midfielders for dm.As in one **** and one good.Well rested players absolutely change how this tactic plays.Its all about exuberance,energy and speed.You get what I mean?

Look at the defeats,are they away from home?or both home n away?are you conceding from defensive errors?or corners?or counters?or long shots?Are you creating enough chances in these games or has chance creation gone down?Give me this info n ill tell you what to do in each case.Cheers.
 
Im guessing your players are jaded as in those leagues your squad is not going to be as big as it would be with a bigger team.The same thing happened to me with Swansea,just sometimes play **** midfielders for dm.As in one **** and one good.Well rested players absolutely change how this tactic plays.Its all about exuberance,energy and speed.You get what I mean?

Look at the defeats,are they away from home?or both home n away?are you conceding from defensive errors?or corners?or counters?or long shots?Are you creating enough chances in these games or has chance creation gone down?Give me this info n ill tell you what to do in each case.Cheers.

Thanks for the quick reply, yep i know what you mean, at one point about 8 or 9 of my first teamers were in bad need of a rest. The defeats are coming both home and away, mostly home strangely. Counters are mainly the cause for conceding and the odd bad tackle in the box or a keeping howler (my keeper's rubbish at handling). Chance creation is more or less the same although in one game i lost i think i went the whole game without having a shot on target. P.S I already did the DM tweaks and they have helped to be fair.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, yep i know what you mean, at one point about 8 or 9 of my first teamers were in bad need of a rest. The defeats are coming both home and away, mostly home strangely. Counters are mainly the cause for conceding and the odd bad tackle in the box or a keeping howler (my keeper's rubbish at handling). Chance creation is more or less the same although in one game i lost i think i went the whole game without having a shot on target. P.S I already did the DM tweaks and they have helped to be fair.

If you are loosing at home,its nothing but players getting tired.I recommend getting a bigger squad,even if they are not that good.As long as they physically capable.They will rip those leagues apart.Just try and get one good am with good pass n all.And did you try the amc tweak?improves their performance it seems.And the dm tweak should help with the counters,but if its doesn't,then put one dm on defensive or lowest level of normal mentality.And the other as it was in the original version.That would keep one dm steady all the time and help stop counters.Cheers.Hope I helped.And are you the same person who posted screens at sigames?sorry dint reply.Dont know why I don't feel like replying there :P
 
If you are loosing at home,its nothing but players getting tired.I recommend getting a bigger squad,even if they are not that good.As long as they physically capable.They will rip those leagues apart.Just try and get one good am with good pass n all.And did you try the amc tweak?improves their performance it seems.And the dm tweak should help with the counters,but if its doesn't,then put one dm on defensive or lowest level of normal mentality.And the other as it was in the original version.That would keep one dm steady all the time and help stop counters.Cheers.Hope I helped.And are you the same person who posted screens at sigames?sorry dint reply.Dont know why I don't feel like replying there :P

Thanks mate, yea i used the AMC tweak, helped too, i might try that out, and no i'm not haha, never use the si forums these days :)
 
This thread made me uninstall Football Manager 2012 as it has clearly become a joke! What's the point of it? There is no way in **** Swansea would win the treble in the first season no matter how good a tactic is and as a Villa fan i can guarantee that even if he played in premier league forever Luke Moore would never score 30+ goals in one season!
 
This thread made me uninstall Football Manager 2012 as it has clearly become a joke! What's the point of it? There is no way in **** Swansea would win the treble in the first season no matter how good a tactic is and as a Villa fan i can guarantee that even if he played in premier league forever Luke Moore would never score 30+ goals in one season!

haha,he is quite good,good pace and when coupled with move into channels and break offside trap,becomes pretty deadly though his finishing is suspect.lol.
you could try it with Villa,they should most defs win the title.gabby,delfonouso,bent.they should wreck havoc on the EPL :P
 
So I have been using the 4-2-3-1 for the Euro 2016 with Serbia.And I just won it with a 123rd minute winner against Italy.
I know it seems pretty easy,but mind the fact my squad was missing gojko kacar,nemanja matic,milos Krasic,zoran tosic,radoslav petrovic,darko lazovic and my best striker(regen) ivic a kovacevic,branislav ivanovic.

This happened as I holidayed till may 30th when the euro squad selection was,little did i know i could only choose the 23 players in my team at that time and not 23 from the national pool.

Thus having to play the Euros without 6 starters(kacar,magic,krasic,tosic,ivanovic and kovacevic) was a HUGE blow.
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And the Euros started that way with a 1-1 draw at Slovenia where we were ****
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and a 0-0 draw against Holland.
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Next game against France,who were leading then,and I was expecting to crash out,but the shift in team(playing a rather slow striker with good movement instead of a quick player who is not comfortable playing as one) led to us destroying France 4-2.
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After that came round 2 with Turkey,on the 5th minute I had my Lb sent off for a penalty.Needless to say hopes looked dim,but we gotta penalty ourselves in the 2nd half before ripping them apart with counters late on-when i got in the speedier player on bench to play as a winger.
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Next was Germany,playing the same formation as Turkey and effectively me,the 4231(both Turkey and Germany though had mc instead of the dm in mine).
So we started playing and it was a comfortable victory where i even got to rest players after half time.3-1.
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Next came Belgium and we thrashed them 4-1!
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And lastly in the finals,,we met italy.They were 1-0 up at halftime.The slow striker was playing ****,so I played this striker who has decent pace n all but not breathtaking pace instead of me.But soon after restart we went 2-0 down.Subotic+Rajkovic=penalty or error for sure.I don't know why this is as they are both splendid defenders by stats.
Then djuric scored from amc in the 70th.And just when it looked like it was over,in the last minute of injury time the striker scored from a counter and assist by tadic on the left.Extra time was boring and again on 123 minutes from a corner for italy,scepovic turned his defenders,took on two men before slotting it home!And Serbia are the Champions!
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I never write about my achievements in so much detail.But this was the most special thing ever,in previous FM i have won even the WC with equal teams,but the thing which pleased the most was that:
1.this was not one of the best teams in Europe
2.It had 7 starters from the dominant Serbs in the qualifiers missing.
And this team made up of a lot of **** players,did it.
As you can see opposition had lots of shots but most of them were long shots,I used the dm tweak and the amc tweak and this tweak on the FB-which has just been used here and needs some more time to be known whether it is good or bad.
And the dm tweak is something which should be done only if your team is playing against a team which plays on the quick counter or against teams stronger then you,otherwise you can just play with the normal dm settings.
Oh and I forgot to say,my amc,djuric scored twice and laid down 4 assists in 4 games,and in the other game that ljacic played he won the penalty against france and laid an assist.
Ljajic played the first two games,and was ****,and that easy why the whole team was ****.AMC is very important for the team.
Thanks a lot for anyone who has taken time to read this.
CHEERS.
 
leaves nothing :( defeat behind defeat.... :((( **** taktic for me (
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I really don't know how to help if you don't provide screenshots of who u play where,tell me where u concede from,how u concede,are you creating or not,is it a problem with the right players or not(screenshots of top 11) etc.
I cannot help you if you don't want to be helped.Tactic is not **** and I think I have played enough with it myself to know that.
So instead of just moaning,give me information so that I could help.
Also If you can upload your save game file somewhere and I will have a look as t where and why its not working for you and get back at you with feedback.
Cheers.
 
Here you go Akash, as promised..



As you can see, pretty even split between all the places I conceded, and I just realised that doesn't show the goal assists..

I conceded 3 from corners, 26 from passes, 10 from crosses and 1 from a mistake. Need anything else mate just ask.
 

Dude your default formation is a 442 and you have match preparation on low attaching set pieces.And look at the familiarity of the tactic when I put it in,HOW DO YOU EXPECT results?were you actually playing with my tactic?or the 442?:S

Your team talks are with your assistant,your match prep is with the assistant.I asked you to use the resources provided by me.You haven't listened to anything I said and also the formation was not even in your top 3 in the save game file you gave me and after 7 games in the league,your team is awkward at everything.And you come to the thread and say how it doesn't work.That is not right bro,are you trolling me or something?
And you have only 2 players in your team who have yellow or above in playing as dm.Now tell me if you played with my formation,who did you play dm?
Anyways,even after all this and me forgetting to drag the name of the playmaker into the list of playmaker and the names of the wingers to the throw in takers list and after putting in the new dm and amc and fb tweak.This is the first result.Now,tell me how it does not work?
1st game:NOTE AWAY from home.
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His tactic screen after I put in my tactic(442 was there before)
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