The Arsenal Thread

[Joss]

How many games do the Arsenal fans think A.O.C will get this season?

Not many. He'll play in cup games etc. - but the longer we waited, the more expensive he got. We made a move in January, and we had to get it wrapped up this summer before Liverpool made a bid and further forced the asking price up.

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I find it amusing you guys are jumping to conclusions that I don't rate Wilshere and Ramsey. I think they will be great players. I just know that first of all, they are injury-prone.

What? Where'd you get that from? Ramsey broke his leg - that doesn't mean he's injury prone. Wilshere picked up a minor injury in pre-season this year, but that's it. Really don't understand your logic.

What if you get rid of Cesc and one of them gets injured? The other one will have to play the CM role every game, and if he gets injured you're in serious trouble. It's the most important position in that formation and you need to have adequate cover for it.

Yes, the other one will have to play the CM role. Or, you know, we could play Rosicky, Diaby, Lansbury, Nasri, or Gervinho in one of the positions. (AMC/CM)

Second, do you really think Ramsey is at Cesc's level now? He definitely has the potential but he's coming off a very long injury and I'm not sure how good he will be this season.

Hardly "just coming back" - he came back in January, scored the winner against Utd and has looked excellent and injury-free in pre-season.

And no, not quite. But we don't know if he can be in the near future unless we give him a chance.

And my logic does make sense, you just didn't read closely enough. If you sell Cesc, than you only have 5 players for 3 midfield positions (Ramsey, Wilshere, Song, Diaby, Frimpong).

Again; not true. Lansbury, Gervinho, Nasri, Rosicky, Coquelin gives us 10 players for 3 positions. I think you'll find we have plenty of midfielders. Chuks Aneke could even be used as an emergency option if he doesn't go out on loan.

Since it's Arsenal, you can count on at least one of those players being injured most of the time, and sometimes two of them being injured. It's not enough cover with how congested the fixture list is for Premiership clubs. Since you have two to three CM's (Ramsey, Wilshere, maybe Diaby) and only two to four DM's (Song, Diaby, who isn't too good, and Frimpong, who has no Prem experience, and Wilshere can play there too although he's not really a natural DM I guess), I think you should add another steely DM on the cheap for cover. If Frimpong is as good as some people say than you only need a young one. But I think you have 3 potential CM's for one position, and really only 3 natural DM's for two positions. Might as well get another DM.

To address the bit in bold, we don't have a pure DM, let alone two. We have two CMs and an AMC.

So actually we have 3/4 players for one position (not really DM as much as a defensive-minded CM) - Song, Frimpong, Coquelin, Diaby.

I don't understand your logic still, though - you say Wilshere and Ramsey aren't good enough (yet) to replace Cesc, but then say we should buy a DM? Shouldn't we - by your logic - be trying to replace Fabregas?

Also, I don't consider Arsenal to have a 4-2-3-1. The Cesc role is too deep for that; it's more like a 4-3-2-1. Two DM's, a CM, two advanced wingers, and a striker.

Well then you'd be wrong. The Cesc position isn't that deep at all, actually. It's skewed by Ramsey when he plays and turns into more of a 4-3-3/4-1-2-3 formation, but generally it's a 4-2-3-1. Fabregas drops back to dictate the tempo, but when he does so, Wilshere/Song push up beyond him and fill the gap.

As you can see here:

Statistics | Arsenal Report

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You mean he was signed for 6.5Million plus add ons?

Yes. Which potentially take it to £12m, not more.

 

[sunilvk7]

Yes. Which potentially take it to £12m, not more.

Source? Coz every paper is reporting as 12Million plus addons..

 

[Joss]

Source? Coz every paper is reporting as 12Million plus addons..

Just my own info. And from this: Arsenal Seal Deal For Oxlade-Chamberlain | wearethenorthbank.com | wearethenorthbank.com

Reliable source since he used to work at Sky and has solid contacts inside Arsenal...

 

[Madridista CR7]

[video=youtube;hDBLSUKJiDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Quality.

 

[EduinJBL]

Yes. Which potentially take it to £12m, not more.

I doubt it considering the Southampton site states:

The teenager agreed personal terms and passed a medical this afternoon in one of the biggest deals in Championship history, which sees Saints' previous transfer records blown out of the water.

Walcott signed for £5m which could rise to roughly £12.5m. The deal you talk about then obviously doesn't blow it out of the water. Obviously, it is the Southampton site and it is possible that the quote is pure exagerration, however I doubt it, especially considering all the papers are reporting £12m initial fee.

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[video=youtube;hDBLSUKJiDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBLSUKJiDY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Quality.

I disagree, but it's well made and amusing

 

[Lol_101]

Source? Coz every paper is reporting as 12Million plus addons..

12m first, with 3m later

 

[Joss]

Ryo's been given a WP. Excellent news.

YoungGunsBlog Jamie Sanderson

Arsenal confirm Ryo Miyaichi has been granted his work permit. Decision earlier than expected. Brilliant news.

 

[Lol_101]

also hearing that gervinho will wear 22, and AOC will wear 26. plus cese and nasri in cl playoff squad ?

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Joss? any transfer new incoming. ie joel campbell, mata, Cahill

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Ryo's been given a WP. Excellent news.

YoungGunsBlog Jamie Sanderson

Arsenal confirm Ryo Miyaichi has been granted his work permit. Decision earlier than expected. Brilliant news.

cesc4officialCesc Fàbregas Soler


Very happy to read that Ryo Miyaichi has been granted the work permit to play for the first team. Great kid. He deserves it.

 

[sunilvk7]

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Nasri and Fabregas, both inc. in Champions League squad list against Udinese. They would be cup-tied if they play for Arsenal. #RivalWatch

 

[Calum]

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Nasri and Fabregas, both inc. in Champions League squad list against Udinese. They would be cup-tied if they play for Arsenal. #RivalWatch

yep was on SSN

 

[Mike.]

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Nasri and Fabregas, both inc. in Champions League squad list against Udinese. They would be cup-tied if they play for Arsenal. #RivalWatch

This is why Arsene was pushing it. If they play cant see them being sold

 

[curtis290]

Yes, the other one will have to play the CM role. Or, you know, we could play Rosicky, Diaby, Lansbury, Nasri, or Gervinho in one of the positions. (AMC/CM)

But all them Rosicky, Nasri, Gervinho are all wingers, and the issue is more with cover at DM than at CM. Don't know much about Lansbury but I doubt you want him playing too major of a role this season, especially at that position. And Rosicky is way past it by the way. Used to be a great player but hasn't been the same since the injuries and he's old now. Oh and I bet Nasri leaves.

And no, not quite. But we don't know if he can be in the near future unless we give him a chance.

I agree, but you're going to need more cover at DM so that way your only back-up CM doesn't have to be starting as a DM all the time.

Again; not true. Lansbury, Gervinho, Nasri, Rosicky, Coquelin gives us 10 players for 3 positions. I think you'll find we have plenty of midfielders. Chuks Aneke could even be used as an emergency option if he doesn't go out on loan.

Again, those guys are wingers, and that's where you'll be using them (and Nasri will probably leave). You have 5 natural CM/DM's for 3 positions. And out of the only two that should be playing as the CM role, one of them is a starter at DM! Your starting three are Song, Wilshere, and Ramsey. What happens when you play a mid-week game and want to rest one of those players? Or if Ramsey/Wilshere gets hurt? Diaby would have to be on the pitch, either at CM or DM, which isn't a good thing.

To address the bit in bold, we don't have a pure DM, let alone two. We have two CMs and an AMC.

Exactly the problem, you need another true DM, someone more like Song or Frimpong than Wilshere.

So actually we have 3/4 players for one position (not really DM as much as a defensive-minded CM) - Song, Frimpong, Coquelin, Diaby.

Two positions. Two sit behind the CM role. Unless you guys are changing to a 4-3-3.

I don't understand your logic still, though - you say Wilshere and Ramsey aren't good enough (yet) to replace Cesc, but then say we should buy a DM? Shouldn't we - by your logic - be trying to replace Fabregas?

It's simple. You obviously wouldn't buy a CM because that would delay their development. But you do need to rotate Ramsey/Wilshere at that position because of how important it is. Because of the congested fixture list and the injuries you will have between the two, you won't have the luxury as starting one of them as one of the DM's, which Wilshere did last year. They'll have to take turns playing CM. Meaning your starting two DM's will usually be Song and...Diaby? Frimpong? I am not sure if either is good enough to start. More importantly, what do you do when there is an injury between one of the three? Say Song got hurt, then you would only have Frimpong and Diaby and NO back-ups at that position. Sure you could move Wilshere there like last season, but he's not a real DM, and he will probably be needed at CM. You're going to need one other DM. Maybe Coquelin or Lansbury can do it, but I don't know enough about them to comment. If you don't buy another DM than one of them will get a good amount playing time at that position, that's for sure.

Well then you'd be wrong. The Cesc position isn't that deep at all, actually. It's skewed by Ramsey when he plays and turns into more of a 4-3-3/4-1-2-3 formation, but generally it's a 4-2-3-1. Fabregas drops back to dictate the tempo, but when he does so, Wilshere/Song push up beyond him and fill the gap.

As you can see here:

Statistics | Arsenal Report

Not going to quibbly over minor details but don't you think Cesc plays a deeper role than a CAM in a traditional 4-2-3-1? Compare Arsenal to Real Madrid (who does use the 4-2-3-1): I don't see Ozil and Cesc as having the same role, Cesc is much more like a CM and Ozil like a CAM.

 

[sunilvk7]

This is why Arsene was pushing it. If they play cant see them being sold

Till date I never understood why is that. They can't play in Champions league, so what still they can contribute in the league.. If I was at buying club I would have bought regardless of whether the player is cup tied or not..

 

[Joss]

Blanc on Nasri: "What I know is that he's an Arsenal player. He's in talk with his club, not about a new contract but to find a new one." (via leylahamed)

 

[Mike.]

Till date I never understood why is that. They can't play in Champions league, so what still they can contribute in the league.. If I was at buying club I would have bought regardless of whether the player is cup tied or not..

Why are you are looking for certain players its for the edge their give you against the best. For example, if Sneijder couldnt play in europe, we would certainly pull out

 

[sunilvk7]

Blanc on Nasri: "What I know is that he's an Arsenal player. He's in talk with his club, not about a new contract but to find a new one." (via leylahamed)

So surely he will be gone then..

 

[Madridista CR7]

The inclusion doesn't mean anything. Wenger would include them both even if he knew they would sign tomorrow for another clubs.

And if that Blanc comment is true...that just confirms that he is in talks with City. As reported.

 

[sunilvk7]

Why are you are looking for certain players its for the edge their give you against the best. For example, if Sneijder couldnt play in europe, we would certainly pull out

But surely he will give edge against teams in the league too?

 

[Joss]

The inclusion doesn't mean anything. Wenger would include them both even if he knew they would sign tomorrow for another clubs.

And if that Blanc comment is true...that just confirms that he is in talks with City. As reported.

No...

It means Wenger wants it sorted ASAP one way or the other. If City don't complete the deal before Udinese, he'll play and if we qualify, I doubt he'll leave this season.

And the Blanc comment simply confirms that Arsenal - not Nasri - are in talks with City. No fee has been agreed, but frankly - if we get £22-5m, I'll be delighted. That's an absolute rip off for you guys.

 

[Madridista CR7]

No...

It means Wenger wants it sorted ASAP one way or the other. If City don't complete the deal before Udinese, he'll play and if we qualify, I doubt he'll leave this season.

And the Blanc comment simply confirms that Arsenal - not Nasri - are in talks with City. No fee has been agreed, but frankly - if we get £22-5m, I'll be delighted. That's an absolute rip off for you guys.

It confirms that he isn't signing a new contract...and he wants to leave. And now that Arsenal are ready to sell...

Im pretty sure that the deal will be completed in the coming days. Nasri has a qualifier to play in tomorrow so it can't be done now. The fee might be agreed by now...but i guess there will be nothing official until he returns from international duty.

Nasri is suspended from the first leg anyway. So there is time but im fairly sure it will be completed this week.