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no offence but the quality of football in the game itself was so poor that I am struggling to find someone who actually stood out, Vermalean did a good job and Nasri was good in patches and a few Pool players deserve a mention but all in all, the game was certainly not a classic
 
So Joss, according to you, Adam was the only player who was good going forward?

I think you're forgetting Downing, Enrique, Cahill, Agger at least in that. Thoroughly deserved 3 points for us.
I'm not sure what you expected us to do? Go straight at you and then leave gaps that Arsenal are so good at exploiting?
 
I wouldn't call Frimpong's performance superb at all. Any match where you indirectly cost your team the game I don't think you did superb. He was good apart from his red card, but the red card counts in the performance aswell.
 
Liverpool weren't "very good" today at all. They were better than Arsenal, sure, but Arsenal were absolutely awful.

Neither team were very good. Vermaelen should have been MotM, in my opinion.
 
*Jones* said:
So Joss, according to you, Adam was the only player who was good going forward?

I think you're forgetting Downing, Enrique, Cahill, Agger at least in that. Thoroughly deserved 3 points for us.
I'm not sure what you expected us to do? Go straight at you and then leave gaps that Arsenal are so good at exploiting?
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He was your best player going forward by a country mile until Suarez and Meireles came on. Downing was largely disappointing imho. Enrique was excellent defensively and provided good support going forward but wasn't that good offensively. What's Agger got to do with it? How often did he go forward from CB? Wasn't aware you had signed Cahill ;)

And sort of, yeah. I was expecting Liverpool to attack a depleted and vulnerable Arsenal side clearly struggling for confidence and creativity. I think ZM got it spot on actually - KD cleverly matched us at 11 v 11, happy for a well-earned point against a (usually) good side, and then won it with his substitutions.

I think we were unlucky to lose. We were the better side for most of the second half and before that neither side had any real chances. You needed a freak OG and for us to go down to 10 men, with an injured player forced to stay on to win. As I said, the sending off changed the game.

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Billy said:
Liverpool weren't "very good" today at all. They were better than Arsenal, sure, but Arsenal were absolutely awful.

Neither team were very good. Vermaelen should have been MotM, in my opinion.
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Harsh. Both sides were average, wouldn't say either of us were "awful". For us to have been awful, we would have been poor all-round - we weren't. We were good at the back until the sending-off, but we lacked creativity further up the pitch. Very average, but not awful IMO. Not that it really matters because 0 pts is 0 pts regardless of performance.
 
Joss, when people watch Arsenal, they expect their passes to be accurate, and their counter-attacking to be crisp.

Both were practically non-existent today. At times, you managed to string a few balls together and Nasri looked dangerous when he had the ball at feet, but RVP was anonymous, Walcott had no inclination to come inside and run at defenders, and Arshavin had his worst game in a long time (that is saying something).

Honestly, Sagna, Vermaelen, and arguably Frimpong (second half) were your only decent performances (bar the sending off challenge). I stick with my opinion, and I feel that you were awful today. No excuse for that performance on your home turf.

Liverpool were better, sure, but they too failed to create much. They were relatively stable at the back, but Arsenal didn't really have the service to cause them any trouble anyway.
 
Joss said:
He was your best player going forward by a country mile until Suarez and Meireles came on. Downing was largely disappointing imho. Enrique was excellent defensively and provided good support going forward but wasn't that good offensively. What's Agger got to do with it? How often did he go forward from CB? Wasn't aware you had signed Cahill ;)

And sort of, yeah. I was expecting Liverpool to attack a depleted and vulnerable Arsenal side clearly struggling for confidence and creativity. I think ZM got it spot on actually - KD cleverly matched us at 11 v 11, happy for a well-earned point against a (usually) good side, and then won it with his substitutions.

I think we were unlucky to lose. We were the better side for most of the second half and before that neither side had any real chances. You needed a freak OG and for us to go down to 10 men, with an injured player forced to stay on to win. As I said, the sending off changed the game.

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Harsh. Both sides were average, wouldn't say either of us were "awful". For us to have been awful, we would have been poor all-round - we weren't. We were good at the back until the sending-off, but we lacked creativity further up the pitch. Very average, but not awful IMO. Not that it really matters because 0 pts is 0 pts regardless of performance.
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We weren't that much better than awful. Scz is a class apart, along with TV. The rest were average at best. Pong's inexperience showed, no need to get the first booking at all, good potential though, proper DM. AA and theo were poor, no outlet on the wings. RVP was isolated the whole game, dropped deep too much meaning we had nothing up top. Too many crosses were going into the box with no-one in it. Ramsey was non-existent for most of the game but has improved defensively. Nasri had a few good spells but was poor defensively. Jenkinson did well under the circumstances. Sagna is always consistent.

At the end topped it off for me. 10 minutes left and we were screaming for some forward energy, so he brings on Bendnter for Walcott. Amazing.
 
Hopefully Wilshere coming back soon will give them a boost, I dont see how all of you can say Ramsey will form the spine of Arsenal in the future, the talent and potential is there but he needs to prove his consistency and take his game up by a notch and based on todays performance, he was poor he just did not give them the spark in the midfield
 
Alcaraz said:
Hopefully Wilshere coming back soon will give them a boost, I dont see how all of you can say Ramsey will form the spine of Arsenal in the future, the talent and potential is there but he needs to prove his consistency and take his game up by a notch and based on todays performance, he was poor he just did not give them the spark in the midfield
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I think it's more to do with who he's been played with rather than any particular problems himself. He and Rosicky are too similar to play with each other, and Nasri stretched the midfield and made a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 into a 4-2-4; opening up a big gap between midfield and offence which he was meant to be decreasing, not increasing. Ramsey was stuck further back up the pitch having to cover for Nasri's lack of defensive effort.

I think he'll be much better with better, more balanced support around him. I completely believe he can fill Cesc's role and creativity (obviously not completely - that seems pretty much impossible) this season. He was signed as Cesc's long-term successor and he'll be that IMO. He needs time and support to get back to full form. I don't think 4-3-3 is the best thing for him.
 
from twitter:

Vermaelen vs LFC: 10 headed clearances (!), 88% passing success, 3 tackles, 5 interceptions, 1 block, 3 shots, 0 Fouls.
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Epic.
 
how long is kosienly out. ?


man its worrying, djuoro and kosienly out, ffs Squill is on this time.
 
Liverpool were almost playing a second string Arsenal team. The annual Arsenal injury crisis has hit us YET again. Now, Koscienly (who's actually pretty good. Doesn't deserve the criticism he got last season in my opinion), Djourou (I think Djourou will be back for Udinese however), Gibbs (3 weeks out) are injured, and Gervinho (2 more matches), Frimpong (1 match) and Song (2 more matches) are banned against Man Utd which will be a crucial game from us. To be honest, I can't see us winning the Man Utd game with our current squad. Eboue left at the wrong time, and I feel sorry for Wenger - everythings going wrong at the same time. Hopefully, he'll sign somebody before the Man U game. But I feel we need to guarantee we qualify for the Champions League before anything else, atleast Van Persie, Gervinho, Song and Djourou will be back!
The injuries just show how ill prepared we are, our squad depth is awful. Today, Lansbury made his debut in bad conditions, and on the bench we had AOC, Miyachi, and Miquel - neither one of them is experienced enough! We even had to use Benthner, who announced himself he wants to leave!
Arsene Wenger needs to make some signings, i hope he signs a centre back (Cahill or Jagielka), possibly a left back (We missed out on Enrique, but Baines or Cissokho of Lyon would be a good option), and a creative midfielder (Apparently, Chelsea have bid for Mata. It hurts to know we could have signed him for 17mil before the 1st of August. Everthing was ready, even he was, and yet we still managed to screw up the transfer. If rumours are right, we've apparently agreed a deal to sign Eden Hazard, which is great. But it does depend on whether we qualify for the CL.)
 
man, Frimphog will learn from this game onward. he's just to aggressive.
 
Time's running out on Wenger.

He reportedly has close to £80m to spend, so why won't he ******* spend it? He's obviously lost the plot.

And IMHO, the boos at the end of the game were probably justified. ****, I would've thrown celery or tomatoes...

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gervinho is at stamford bridge watching the Chelsea - WBA game lol
 
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