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cesc is on 110kpw and nasri wants parity. Sure, he deserves a wage rise from the 30-40kpw he's currently on but he can **** off if he thinks a few months of good form over midseason justifies a world class footballer's wage, especially after a pretty quiet finish to the season from him. It's quite dissapointing after he started showing promise and a bit of passion for the club. at least that's what i've gathered from questionable sources i've read.
 
This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

Jesus Almighty. EL MUNDO CLAIM:

Barcelona has personal 5-year deals with Cesc (24), Rossi (24) and Alexis Sanchez (22), and will now start negotiating with their clubs [md]

NB: This rumour could easily be bull-****. I have no way of telling, but if it IS true, then it's a blatant case of tapping up on Barca's behalf.
 
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This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

Barcelona has personal 5-year deals with Cesc (24), Rossi (24) and Alexis Sanchez (22), and will now start negotiating with their clubs [md]

Source? Read that they have agreed terms with Rossi, but Fabregas and Sanchez? Haven't read about that.

All these days Sanchez was close to signing with Inter now all of a sudden Barca popped up..
 
Source? Read that they have agreed terms with Rossi, but Fabregas and Sanchez? Haven't read about that.

All these days Sanchez was close to signing with Inter now all of a sudden Barca popped up..

Cesc, Alexis y Rossi, OK - El Mundo Deportivo

BEst bit is:"el club ya ha apalabrado con ellos un contrato de cinco años -el máximo que permite la normativa FIFA"

"The club has arranged 5 year deals with them - the maximum allowed by FIFA rules" -- as it it's OK because they're still complying with FIFA regulations about the length of contracts.

And people wonder why I complain so much...
 
Cesc, Alexis y Rossi, OK - El Mundo Deportivo

BEst bit is:"el club ya ha apalabrado con ellos un contrato de cinco años -el máximo que permite la normativa FIFA"

"The club has arranged 5 year deals with them - the maximum allowed by FIFA rules" -- as it it's OK because they're still complying with FIFA regulations about the length of contracts.

And people wonder why I complain so much...

XD

Seriously? Thought these rules are for other clubs than Barca and Madrid.

And i think there is no rule like 5 years as Ronaldo signed 6 year contract with Madrid if I'm not wrong
 
XD

Seriously? Thought these rules are for other clubs than Barca and Madrid.

And i think there is no rule like 5 years as Ronaldo signed 6 year contract with Madrid if I'm not wrong

Cesc signed a 6 year deal in 2008 as well but I expect they're just clauses like an automatic one year extension at the end of the 5 years. I know FM doesn't let you do deals for more than 5 years unless you put in clause like "1 year extension after x games"

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Seems Sky Sports are also in on the twisting stories thing:

Walcott demands silverware | Arsenal News, Fixtures, Results, Transfers | Sky Sports

Walcott demands trophies =

"I had the best season I've had in a long time," he said. "I have scored a lot of goals and got more assists.

"As a team we weren't able to perform to our abilities in the last few games. We should have got third but it was just snatched away from us.

"We have only got ourselves to blame on that front. We have to win trophies but I think we can do it next season."
 
Cesc, Alexis y Rossi, OK - El Mundo Deportivo

BEst bit is:"el club ya ha apalabrado con ellos un contrato de cinco años -el máximo que permite la normativa FIFA"

"The club has arranged 5 year deals with them - the maximum allowed by FIFA rules" -- as it it's OK because they're still complying with FIFA regulations about the length of contracts.

And people wonder why I complain so much...

Got any reliable sources?

Since when has anyone ever believed anything in one paper. Just because it is a Spanish paper doesn't mean they don't make things up. If this was in the Sun or the Daily Mail would you believe it?
 
Got any reliable sources?

Since when has anyone ever believed anything in one paper. Just because it is a Spanish paper doesn't mean they don't make things up. If this was in the Sun or the Daily Mail would you believe it?

When did I say: "El Mundo is very reliable and there is no chance whatsoever that these claims are false"? I've accepted that they may well be made up. Doesn't mean I can't post and give my thoughts but once again, I post something about Barcelona and get a page of people telling me it's all nonsense.

I have said several times that IF TRUE (Clear enough for you?) it's blatant tapping up. It could be bull-**** as I've said, it could also be true. Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion and I wish people would stop acting like I'm not.

EDIT: Also - who are you to say it ISN'T reliable? Do you read the Spanish press? What will please you? An article from the Guardian, or an English broad-sheet? MD is a pretty big paper in spain afaik. That doesn't mean I believe everything they say without question though.
 
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When did I say: "El Mundo is very reliable and there is no chance whatsoever that these claims are false"? I've accepted that they may well be made up. Doesn't mean I can't post and give my thoughts but once again, I post something about Barcelona and get a page of people telling me it's all nonsense.

I have said several times that IF TRUE (Clear enough for you?) it's blatant tapping up. It could be bull-**** as I've said, it could also be true. Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion and I wish people would stop acting like I'm not.

Where have you said if true? Haven't seen it on the thread.

This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

And people wonder why I complain so much...

That's the quotes I can see and looking at them it just seems that you are claiming that they are true. I see nothing about you saying that it may not be true.
 
When did I say: "El Mundo is very reliable and there is no chance whatsoever that these claims are false"? I've accepted that they may well be made up. Doesn't mean I can't post and give my thoughts but once again, I post something about Barcelona and get a page of people telling me it's all nonsense.

I have said several times that IF TRUE (Clear enough for you?) it's blatant tapping up. It could be bull-**** as I've said, it could also be true. Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion and I wish people would stop acting like I'm not.

Where did you say that? From what I can see you just assumed it was and ran with it.
 
Where did you say that?

I said it several times on the rumour thread to be fair (Mike knows that full-well). Get confused between the two threads since I posted on both.

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All I'm trying to say is that IF TRUE, it's a clear breach of FIFA tapping up rules. Don't see what the problem with that is. I haven't said it definitely is true, I just said that even if it is, I doubt they'll be found guilty because clubs rarely are. The rules need to be tightened IMO but that's it from me because we're going off-topic. (continue by VM or something if you need to)

Re: Liverpool - Maxi + Suarez for the LW. Both "inverted wingers" as it were (obviously Suarez is actually a CF but can play LF). Do they need another player who would be pretty similar to them in Hazard (or Gervinho? I don't know much about him). Obviously he's better than Maxi but there's not a huge amount of point IMO paying £20m for a player you don't really need. They should be looking for a proper winger IMO - hence the interest in Downing.

Hence "According to El Mundo Deportivo" and "if true". Of course we don't know if it's true but if it is, it's blatant tapping up and they should be, but won't be, punished.

It IS done without the club's consent. That's the whole point - "they will now start negotiating with the clubs" = blatant tapping up if true. I expect Arsenal will complain if there's any truth to it. We have every right.

Well there's no way Arsenal have said that, and I have my doubts the others have:

According to El Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona has clearly broken FIFA tapping up rules by agreeing "deals" with Cesc Fabregas and Giuseppe Rossi, without written consent, and before reaching an agreement with their respective clubs. Cesc, Alexis y Rossi, OK

It's a formal advancement on what they've been doing for the past 2 years:

"Barca know that none [of the clubs will] make things easy, but also has the OK of the players as their best weapon for bargaining."

"Now the clubs [have] got the OK from the players, Barca must now undertake three-way negotiations with each of its clubs to carry out the transfer."

"Barca wanted to preempt any offers from other clubs and has gotten the OK from the three players high on Andoni Zubizarreta's list of reinforcements: Cesc Fabregas, Giuseppe Rossi and Alexis Sanchez ."

Doesn't sound like they've made any deals to me.
 
In fairness only after i challenged you on it
 
In fairness only after i challenged you on it

I didn't know I had to give my opinions on a source every time I posted something... I never stated it as fact, I posted a tweet I saw citing the source but people appear to think I'm taking everything they say as gospel. If I post an article from the Guardian saying the same thing, or something else, I don't need to say: "This is bullshit from the Guardian".

You didn't really challenge me - you asked me how I knew it was true and I told you I didn't but IF IT WAS.. etc.
 
sell him, or tell him to buck up his ideas. had a poor season tbh.
 
sell him, or tell him to buck up his ideas. had a poor season tbh.

He needs to play like he did in our 1-0 victory over Manchester United, he was a big factor in that game. Was tracking back brilliantly and some of his challenges were timed to perfection when his defending was necessary.
 
He needs to play like he did in our 1-0 victory over Manchester United, he was a big factor in that game. Was tracking back brilliantly and some of his challenges were timed to perfection when his defending was necessary.

I agree
 
Henri Lansbury has revealed his determination to follow Jack Wilshere by breaking into the Arsenal side and England senior team next season. Lansbury came through the Gunners' youth ranks with fellow midfielder Wilshere, who has emerged as a star for club and country during the past year.

Wilshere spent the previous season on loan at Bolton before being given his big break by the Arsenal manager, Arsène Wenger, and Lansbury hopes his recent six-month loan spell at Norwich will produce the same result.

He has a chance to impress Wenger when he travels with England to Denmark for this month's European Under-21 Championship. "I think Arsenal's the goal now," said the 20-year-old ahead of England's warm-up friendly against Norway today. "I have to go back and give it a go from there. It's a chance for me to show the boss that I'm capable of a first-team place and it's up to me to do it."

Lansbury would not rule out a return to Norwich if necessary, having helped them earn promotion to the Premier League. He added: "It's always great to be promoted into the Premier League. Paul Lambert gave me my chance to do that and I thank him a lot.

"It was great, obviously, getting first-team experience again and playing week in, week out was great. Promotion's massive and to get that at 20 years of age was great."

Lansbury has also been inspired by Wilshere's elevation to the senior England team. "Jack's taken his chance and he's done well," he said. "He's a great player and I think it's a great bunch of lads here that can do the same thing."

The one downside of Wilshere's remarkable rise for Lansbury and his fellow England youngsters is the 19-year-old's absence from the upcoming tournament in Denmark.

Despite repeatedly insisting he would play, he was ultimately swayed by fears of burnout expressed by Wenger. The Liverpool striker Andy Carroll and Manchester City's Micah Richards have also been ruled out through injury.

Lansbury said: "They're great players. We've just got to focus on ourselves, really, and obviously go into the tournament strongly. We've got a great bunch of lads and we push on ourselves."

Despite that trio's absence, England will be one of the favourites to return victorious from Denmark. Apart from their opening opponents, Spain, Europe's traditional powerhouses all failed to qualify, giving England a real chance of going better than their 2009 final appearance. Lansbury said: "We've got a great chance and a great team spirit, talented players in the team and hopefully we can push on from there."

Henri Lansbury hopes to emulate Arsenal team-mate Jack Wilshere | Football | The Observer
 
He needs to play like he did in our 1-0 victory over Manchester United, he was a big factor in that game. Was tracking back brilliantly and some of his challenges were timed to perfection when his defending was necessary.

He had a great match, made a big effort tracking back and pressing, but that was arguably his only good match this season - from what I've seen, that is. He needs to show more consistency in that regard if you're gonna challenge for something. If he does, then he'll be a big asset.
 
He had a great match, made a big effort tracking back and pressing, but that was arguably his only good match this season - from what I've seen, that is. He needs to show more consistency in that regard if you're gonna challenge for something. If he does, then he'll be a big asset.

10 goals and 13 assists suggests he had more than just one good game... He was mix and match. Good for a couple of weeks, then got complacent and when it came to the big teams he largely flopped because he didn't track back. Utd game at H was one of the only games he's done that, though.

Even then, though he wasn't actually tracking back as much as just getting his tackles in early in the opposition half, which was even more beneficial for us because it meant we could build counter-attacks quicker:

Cheeky Plug
 
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