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Chamakh, all day. Chamakh has only had one season, in which he did pretty well at first but just couldn't keep up with the speed of the english game, he is yet to be seen fully adapted and confident. Arsene is a good enough manager to get his confidence up, at which time he will be the player everyone raved about when he signed last year. Bendtner has been tried, tested and failed, he is perhaps more consistent due to his ridiculous over-confidence, but he is a shoddy finisher with similar technical ability to Chamakh without the hold up play and with less aerial prowess than is expected with his height.
 
this ^. the only thing worries about him is the ability to score with his FOOT. i think he is weak in shooting, and good in heading. LOL

the first half was great, but i dont what happened to him in the second half of the season.
 
If Chamakh returns to the player he was for the first 4 months last season, him everyday of the week. But if he continues to be a statue up front, then neither. Bendtner will frustrate the **** out of you, then pop up with something brilliant that makes you think he might just have a shot at being a good player. Then will miss a wide open goal.
 
Quick question for Arsenal fans. Do you guys think Wenger knew all along that Cesc would leave this summer and bought Gervinho with the intention of switching to a 4-4-2? Gervinho would definitely fit best as a striker if he played for Arsenal and I don't see Wenger spending that kind of money to put someone on the bench (Walcott, Arshavin, and Nasri--Mata if Nasri leaves--would start on the wing over him, and Van Persie would of course start at striker over him). So maybe he knew Cesc would leave and decided that Arsenal would switch to a 4-4-2, with Gervinho and Van Persie up top, Walcott and Nasri (or Mata) on the wings, Song as the holding midfielder (Diaby as a back-up), and Wilshere as the CM (Ramsey as a back-up). This is wild speculation and I haven't heard anything about Arsenal's friendlies this season or what formation they've played, so I realize I'm probably wrong, but it's just a thought.

I have a feeling he'll stick with the 4-5-1, sell Nasri and Fabregas and put Gervinho on the wing with Ramsey playing as the CM (or Wilshere at times). I hope not, and if that happens they should definitely buy a steely, ball-winning DM with good distribution to support the playmaking CM, since Ramsey or Wilshere are not quite ready to fill Cesc's shoes yet. A midfield trio of Song, Wilshere, and Ramsey might not be good enough. If this happens without a good DM brought in I don't know if they'll be able to stay in the top 4 (I think Liverpool will be great this season). Of course they'd make tons of money with the Nasri and Fabregas sales, and if they did stay in the top 4 it'd be a testament to how great a manager Wenger is and that it is possible to succeed in the Prem on a negative transfer budget. But this season I think it's risky to try and prove that point.

In a word: No.

We've stuck to 4-2-3-1 (note the difference between that and 4-5-1) throughout pre-season and I don't see us changing that. Especially not now - so close to the season proper.

Gervinho can, but doesn't like to, play up front. He refused to play there for Lille and his movement on and off the ball makes him more valuable as a wide-player IMO. The whole point of having van Persie up front is that he's a 'false 9' - dropping deep and taking a defender or two with him so that wide players cut into the space behind him off the ball.

You say Wilshere/Ramsey aren't good enough, but a) Did you WATCH Wilshere last season? He had a better season than Fabregas did. In fact - screw that, he was our POTY on the official site.

Ramsey has been brilliant in pre-season (one of few positives) and was superb pre-leg break to the point that he was a genuine threat to Cesc (had it been anyone else, he would have taken it without doubt, but how do you leave out someone like Cesc?!). Definitely capable of replacing him IMO.

Even if they weren't... I don't understand your conclusions. Ramsey/Wilshere may not be good enough, so don't sign a creative MF to replace Cesc, buy a defensive-midfielder to - uh - replace the not-going-anywhere Alex Song? Song has come on leaps and bounds and is now one of the best DMs in the league (to the extent Inter were reportedly after him). Frimpong looked brilliant in pre-season again as well.

And you can't just assume Wenger will sign Mata if Nasri leaves. We're definitely interested, but can we afford him now? Quite possibly not, and even if we could, he wouldn't necessarily come in.


Finally - don't understand people who say "Will Wenger/Wenger should switch to 4-4-2 (?)" --> No, he wont. He didn't switch to a 4-3-3 variant because he was bored of counter-attacking 4-4-2 formations, he did it because he wanted to succeed in Europe and we're not going to do that without more players in CM. Look what happened to Utd - Barca's midfield dominated them because they had space and more options than Utd's CMs did.


4-2-3-1/4-3-3 ftw.


since gervinho is vesatile up front, we CAN switch to 4-4-2, like how we played against benfica. but wenger might stick to teh orginal 4-2-3-1, were ramsey replces cese, and gervinho on the left and walcott on the right.

but it could change IF mata comes.

in a 4-4-2 mata left, walcott right, and gervinho + rvp up front.

cm's will be ramsey/wilshere and song

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this must be a joke. why should Arshavin Leave ?

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Eh? We didn't go 4-4-2 against Benfica.

And I wrote a bit about why we don't need a poacher up front, part of my reasoning was that van Persie is so much better as a lone-striker: Is the “poacher” the perfect Arsenal signing this summer? | Arsenal Report

(I haven't plugged that in SO long!)

Not really happy with the signing of Chamberlain... Young talent, sure, but 11(?) million seems too much. Would've rather we signed a new CB.

"Spend some ******* money!" // "No - not on him! HIM! No, not him either!"

Wenger can't win can he? This isn't an either/or situation - I expect Wenger to make at least one more signing (I say at least, he won't buy 2 players in 3 weeks) before August 31. He has said he wants a defender, he's not stupid - he can see our squad and it's problems. This just happened to get sorted earlier because it was easier. Agree a fee with S'Hampton and you're done. More complicated for others like Jagielka.

its on course i think mate. cahill deal possible.

and is TV5 injured again. NO!!!!

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if u where to choose between two forwards, who will it be.

Chamahk or Bentdner. ????


just wanna know cuz some fans in Fb are ranting about Bentdner atleast better than Chamahk, whilist Chamahk is a better aerial player to say the least.

Generally Chamakh, but he's so out of form at the moment I honestly think we might be best off keeping Bendtner for now.

If Chamakh returns to the player he was for the first 4 months last season, him everyday of the week. But if he continues to be a statue up front, then neither. Bendtner will frustrate the **** out of you, then pop up with something brilliant that makes you think he might just have a shot at being a good player. Then will miss a wide open goal.

This. His big-ego leads to inconsistency and does no one any favours IMO.
 
Quick question for Arsenal fans. Do you guys think Wenger knew all along that Cesc would leave this summer and bought Gervinho with the intention of switching to a 4-4-2? Gervinho would definitely fit best as a striker if he played for Arsenal and I don't see Wenger spending that kind of money to put someone on the bench (Walcott, Arshavin, and Nasri--Mata if Nasri leaves--would start on the wing over him, and Van Persie would of course start at striker over him). So maybe he knew Cesc would leave and decided that Arsenal would switch to a 4-4-2, with Gervinho and Van Persie up top, Walcott and Nasri (or Mata) on the wings, Song as the holding midfielder (Diaby as a back-up), and Wilshere as the CM (Ramsey as a back-up). This is wild speculation and I haven't heard anything about Arsenal's friendlies this season or what formation they've played, so I realize I'm probably wrong, but it's just a thought.

I have a feeling he'll stick with the 4-5-1, sell Nasri and Fabregas and put Gervinho on the wing with Ramsey playing as the CM (or Wilshere at times). I hope not, and if that happens they should definitely buy a steely, ball-winning DM with good distribution to support the playmaking CM, since Ramsey or Wilshere are not quite ready to fill Cesc's shoes yet. A midfield trio of Song, Wilshere, and Ramsey might not be good enough. If this happens without a good DM brought in I don't know if they'll be able to stay in the top 4 (I think Liverpool will be great this season). Of course they'd make tons of money with the Nasri and Fabregas sales, and if they did stay in the top 4 it'd be a testament to how great a manager Wenger is and that it is possible to succeed in the Prem on a negative transfer budget. But this season I think it's risky to try and prove that point.

thats a Joke right.

*FYI Wilshere won the EPL young player award.
*Jack got 50+ career apps , a good thing for a young player.
*the most happiest moment of a players life is to represent their country, and wilshere accomplished it at the age of 17. (i think he is the youngest to represent england??? i might be wrong so correct me. )
*as for ramsey, he is the youngest Capitan for Wales, age 20. he sure can be the Capitan of arsenal is the future.
**ramsey 'can' fit cese shoes. song and jack behind ramsey, it the same like last year.
 
Good day mister Joss, whose post is too big and clusterfucked for me to properly quote.

"Spend some ******* money!" // "No - not on him! HIM! No, not him either!"

Wenger can't win can he? This isn't an either/or situation - I expect Wenger to make at least one more signing (I say at least, he won't buy 2 players in 3 weeks) before August 31. He has said he wants a defender, he's not stupid - he can see our squad and it's problems. This just happened to get sorted earlier because it was easier. Agree a fee with S'Hampton and you're done. More complicated for others like Jagielka.

I'm not one of the people telling Wenger to make one big, incredibly expensive signing, and I'm quite happy with Gervinho so far. But I don't want us missing out on a good defender because we spent too much on a youngster who I doubt will play much in his first season here. I'd rather have a good, solid defender who will help us win trophies, instead of a player for the youth/reserve team. I still have trust in Wenger that he'll buy a defender though, so I'll just wait.
 
Good day mister Joss, whose post is too big and clusterfucked for me to properly quote.



I'm not one of the people telling Wenger to make one big, incredibly expensive signing, and I'm quite happy with Gervinho so far. But I don't want us missing out on a good defender because we spent too much on a youngster who I doubt will play much in his first season here. I'd rather have a good, solid defender who will help us win trophies, instead of a player for the youth/reserve team. I still have trust in Wenger that he'll buy a defender though, so I'll just wait.

its just a Mata of time. Gary cahill is on his way.
 
I just hope that Alex Chamberlain was not the "super quality" signing Arsene Wenger said we were making this week. And also anyone else completely puzzled with how this one came out of nowhere? I mean yes we were linked with him all summer but we were never really "close" to signing him like we were close to signing Gervinho for weeks before he actually signed. Also I am getting a little scared that we will lose out on Samba to Spurs although I believe the only thing that will keep him from signing for them is that he won't play Champions League. As for Cahill I believe if we would act quicker we will get him but we might lose out to him by Liverpool although I hope that that doesn't happen. I really wouldn't mind seeing Arsenal sign Mario Gotze from Dortmund if Cesc leaves I mean yes we wouldn't need a huge replacement for Fabregas because we have Ramsey and Wilshere but Gotze would add some great depth.
 
I just hope that Alex Chamberlain was not the "super quality" signing Arsene Wenger said we were making this week. And also anyone else completely puzzled with how this one came out of nowhere? I mean yes we were linked with him all summer but we were never really "close" to signing him like we were close to signing Gervinho for weeks before he actually signed. Also I am getting a little scared that we will lose out on Samba to Spurs although I believe the only thing that will keep him from signing for them is that he won't play Champions League. As for Cahill I believe if we would act quicker we will get him but we might lose out to him by Liverpool although I hope that that doesn't happen. I really wouldn't mind seeing Arsenal sign Mario Gotze from Dortmund if Cesc leaves I mean yes we wouldn't need a huge replacement for Fabregas because we have Ramsey and Wilshere but Gotze would add some great depth.

this. but certainly alex is not that guy wenger is talking about. is probably Mata, priced at 25m pounds. using the cese money we can afford thee buys.

as for Cahill, he might consider a European status, ie CL or EL competitions involvemnet. Liverpool wont be in europe this year (YES!!!!!), but king Ken will want to get Enrique for their LB.
and for Mario Gotze, idk. whats his price range ?
 
"Spend some ******* money!" // "No - not on him! HIM! No, not him either!"

Wenger can't win can he? This isn't an either/or situation - I expect Wenger to make at least one more signing (I say at least, he won't buy 2 players in 3 weeks) before August 31. He has said he wants a defender, he's not stupid - he can see our squad and it's problems. This just happened to get sorted earlier because it was easier. Agree a fee with S'Hampton and you're done. More complicated for others like Jagielka.


Actually he was questioning why Wenger is willing to spend in excess of 12m on a teenager when he so evidently needs a CB and the last reports we heard is that Wenger is unwilling to increase his bid on Jaglieka and is to ready to match the 17m price tag on Cahill
 
I think the same as many here; why spending such amount of money in this lad (nothing against him, I don't know him so he could be brilliant in the future) when we urgently need a CB, which could be signed spending just a bit more than this.
 
Actually he was questioning why Wenger is willing to spend in excess of 12m on a teenager when he so evidently needs a CB and the last reports we heard is that Wenger is unwilling to increase his bid on Jaglieka and is to ready to match the 17m price tag on Cahill
Exactly.

For all we know, he has upped one or both of the bids for those players but the Chamberlain deal has gone through before a deal for Cahill/Jagielka.
 
Actually he was questioning why Wenger is willing to spend in excess of 12m on a teenager when he so evidently needs a CB and the last reports we heard is that Wenger is unwilling to increase his bid on Jaglieka and is to ready to match the 17m price tag on Cahill

Well it's not in excess of £12m (£6,5m + add-ons) and I'm pretty sure this isn't the "super quality" signing Wenger suggested we will make (or try to) - As I said before, it's not an either/or situation. Wenger isn't abandoning his search for a CB in favour of signing AOC. This deal just happened to come first.

I'm pretty sure we'll sign a CB this summer - don't know where you heard the Jagielka story from. Last I heard - which was when we were supposedly about to sign Mata - was that we would increase our bid.

Re: Cahill - the longer we wait, the less we can get him for. Of course there's a risk that we won't get him at all if we wait too long but Bolton have already said that they need to sell.

Aaand Re: The time it took for AOC to sign; Everything was sorted last summer - including his number apparently - so all we needed to do was agree a fee and give him a medical and it was done.
 
In a word: No.

We've stuck to 4-2-3-1 (note the difference between that and 4-5-1) throughout pre-season and I don't see us changing that. Especially not now - so close to the season proper.

Gervinho can, but doesn't like to, play up front. He refused to play there for Lille and his movement on and off the ball makes him more valuable as a wide-player IMO. The whole point of having van Persie up front is that he's a 'false 9' - dropping deep and taking a defender or two with him so that wide players cut into the space behind him off the ball.

You say Wilshere/Ramsey aren't good enough, but a) Did you WATCH Wilshere last season? He had a better season than Fabregas did. In fact - screw that, he was our POTY on the official site.

Ramsey has been brilliant in pre-season (one of few positives) and was superb pre-leg break to the point that he was a genuine threat to Cesc (had it been anyone else, he would have taken it without doubt, but how do you leave out someone like Cesc?!). Definitely capable of replacing him IMO.

Even if they weren't... I don't understand your conclusions. Ramsey/Wilshere may not be good enough, so don't sign a creative MF to replace Cesc, buy a defensive-midfielder to - uh - replace the not-going-anywhere Alex Song? Song has come on leaps and bounds and is now one of the best DMs in the league (to the extent Inter were reportedly after him). Frimpong looked brilliant in pre-season again as well.

And you can't just assume Wenger will sign Mata if Nasri leaves. We're definitely interested, but can we afford him now? Quite possibly not, and even if we could, he wouldn't necessarily come in.


Finally - don't understand people who say "Will Wenger/Wenger should switch to 4-4-2 (?)" --> No, he wont. He didn't switch to a 4-3-3 variant because he was bored of counter-attacking 4-4-2 formations, he did it because he wanted to succeed in Europe and we're not going to do that without more players in CM. Look what happened to Utd - Barca's midfield dominated them because they had space and more options than Utd's CMs did.


4-2-3-1/4-3-3 ftw.

thats a Joke right.

*FYI Wilshere won the EPL young player award.
*Jack got 50+ career apps , a good thing for a young player.
*the most happiest moment of a players life is to represent their country, and wilshere accomplished it at the age of 17. (i think he is the youngest to represent england??? i might be wrong so correct me. )
*as for ramsey, he is the youngest Capitan for Wales, age 20. he sure can be the Capitan of arsenal is the future.
**ramsey 'can' fit cese shoes. song and jack behind ramsey, it the same like last year.

I find it amusing you guys are jumping to conclusions that I don't rate Wilshere and Ramsey. I think they will be great players. I just know that first of all, they are injury-prone. What if you get rid of Cesc and one of them gets injured? The other one will have to play the CM role every game, and if he gets injured you're in serious trouble. It's the most important position in that formation and you need to have adequate cover for it. Second, do you really think Ramsey is at Cesc's level now? He definitely has the potential but he's coming off a very long injury and I'm not sure how good he will be this season. As good as Wilshere and Ramsey are, I just don't think they are quite to Cesc's level yet. Cesc had an off-season last year, which is one of the reasons Arsenal couldn't challenge for the title after February. And my logic does make sense, you just didn't read closely enough. If you sell Cesc, than you only have 5 players for 3 midfield positions (Ramsey, Wilshere, Song, Diaby, Frimpong). Since it's Arsenal, you can count on at least one of those players being injured most of the time, and sometimes two of them being injured. It's not enough cover with how congested the fixture list is for Premiership clubs. Since you have two to three CM's (Ramsey, Wilshere, maybe Diaby) and only two to four DM's (Song, Diaby, who isn't too good, and Frimpong, who has no Prem experience, and Wilshere can play there too although he's not really a natural DM I guess), I think you should add another steely DM on the cheap for cover. If Frimpong is as good as some people say than you only need a young one. But I think you have 3 potential CM's for one position, and really only 3 natural DM's for two positions. Might as well get another DM.

Also, I don't consider Arsenal to have a 4-2-3-1. The Cesc role is too deep for that; it's more like a 4-3-2-1. Two DM's, a CM, two advanced wingers, and a striker.
 
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