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Jamie. said:
If Wenger signed Ogbonna from Torino to play CB would you be happy?

Good young CB who just got called into the latest Italy squad playing for a Serie B team, 8m euros is what his club would accept. Already tracked by every big Italian team and there have been murmurings from Tuttomercatoweb that Arsenal are interested.

If not Vertonghen/Samba/Jagielka/Vorsah then surely Ogbonna is straight up Wengers street for that price and his age?

Hypothetical Wuestion: Would Gunner fans be happy if he brought in Ogbonna, Shaqiri and Pereira?

Purely hypothetical but if Wenger signed those 3 players would it make you feel more secure in Arsenal's position?

Funnily enough Shaqiri would cost less than Chamberlain did which is very strange given his int caps, similar age and consistent displays across the season.
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Well, I think Wenger really needs a creative playmaker and none of those guys would add in that sense. I definitely wouldn't mind Pereira arriving but Porto would be highly unlikely to sell especially since they just sold Falcao and Ruben Micael. As for Ogbonna, never really seen him play but considering he got called up to the Italy side, he must be good. Still though, I'd rather Wenger went for Jagielka.
 
Jamie. said:
If Wenger signed Ogbonna from Torino to play CB would you be happy?

Good young CB who just got called into the latest Italy squad playing for a Serie B team, 8m euros is what his club would accept. Already tracked by every big Italian team and there have been murmurings from Tuttomercatoweb that Arsenal are interested.

If not Vertonghen/Samba/Jagielka/Vorsah then surely Ogbonna is straight up Wengers street for that price and his age?
Hypothetical Wuestion: Would Gunner fans be happy if he brought in Ogbonna, Shaqiri and Pereira?

Purely hypothetical but if Wenger signed those 3 players would it make you feel more secure in Arsenal's position?

Funnily enough Shaqiri would cost less than Chamberlain did which is very strange given his int caps, similar age and consistent displays across the season.
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god no. If Wenger signs some ****** youth cb i wont be happy
 
Joss said:
What is it with you and random European players that Wenger should sign immediately? ;)

No, I wouldn't be happy. Because we don't need a good, young CB - We have Bartley and Miquel for the future - what we need is a premier-league experienced CB, hence why we want Cahill/Samba/Jagielka/Dann. Do we need a LW? No. Shaqiri has played there more if I'm not mistaken?

Perreira would be fine... We only need 1 LB, not 2.
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People were calling for Mata who is a LW...He has played CAM a few times when Valencia had injuries but is not as effective centrally as he is on the left wing. Shaqiri plays CAM/RW when needed, just like Mata does, the national team prefer him on the right hand side cutting in. Ogbonna is 22 turning 23 he's not that young especially compared to Iggy/Bartley, Cahill/Jagielka/Dann will all be over priced that's for certain. Vermaelen wasn't a PL proven or British buy but he turned out fine, I don't see why people argue with Wenger's policy of buying from abroad (Koscielny aside).

The question was based on what the discussion above was talking about, LW/CB/LB. Pereira would definitely improve Arsenal's LB area unquestionably, Shaqiri would be an explosive player off the bench no doubt about it and is built for the PL already so that buy would be a smart one (hypothetically).

I just can't see why the obsession with buying British PL CB's keeps coming up, surely you would rather have 2 Vermaelen's at the back given the choice over 2 Jagielka's?

For the price most of those PL CB's would cost I can definitely see why Arsene isn't buying them to be honest..
 
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vlad-the-impaling-gunner said:
Well, I think Wenger really needs a creative playmaker and none of those guys would add in that sense. I definitely wouldn't mind Pereira arriving but Porto would be highly unlikely to sell especially since they just sold Falcao and Ruben Micael. As for Ogbonna, never really seen him play but considering he got called up to the Italy side, he must be good. Still though, I'd rather Wenger went for Jagielka.
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Alex Sandro spells the end of Pereira's stint at Porto to be honest his days are numbered.

Jagielka at the prices being touted?

You have to admit that you can see why Wenger isn't paying for them when clubs are pricing him out of the market at 15m+ for Jagielka?
 
Jamie. said:
Alex Sandro spells the end of Pereira's stint at Porto to be honest his days are numbered.

Jagielka at the prices being touted?

You have to admit that you can see why Wenger isn't paying for them when clubs are pricing him out of the market at 15m+ for Jagielka?
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Ogbonna defeats the point of buying an experienced centreback. Players like these arent cheap and Wenger has to accept that. A few million here outweighs the cost of failing to qualify for the champions league
 
Jamie. said:
Alex Sandro spells the end of Pereira's stint at Porto to be honest his days are numbered.

Jagielka at the prices being touted?

You have to admit that you can see why Wenger isn't paying for them when clubs are pricing him out of the market at 15m+ for Jagielka?
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If that is the price we have to pay for an experienced leader who we know is premiership quality for sure? then why not.

Shaqiri is talented for sure, but at such a young age we need someone who can make more of an impact not just on the pitch but in the dressing room too, Mata fits the bill preferctly, and although he is placed on the wing most of the time he doesn't play like an out and out winger/inside forward the way shaqiri does. Mata would be the creative force of our midfield if he joined, shaqiri wouldn't.

I'd love to see perreira bombing down our left but for some reason I just can't see it happening.
 
This is where Wenger's mindset differs to say Fergie's, when Ferguson saw what he wanted in Ferdinand at Leeds he went all out for him and ended up paying upwards of 30m for a CB. Was that sensible at the time? No, but it was a long term investment and he knew that the guy would be at United for 6-7 years at the heart of his team. Same thing this summer with De Gea, Wenger would never pay that for a new GK post Seaman/Lehmann he got in Fabianski/Almunia/Chesny relatively cheaply. Just proves the opposite mindset Wenger is in to other managers, Mourinho/Ancelotti/Barce pay what it takes to bring players to a football club generally. Wenger has a completely different mindset, he would rather pay 12 million on a 17 year old than pay 12 million on an experienced CB. Now I wouldn't mind that so much, I know easy for me to say I'm not an AFC fan, but when he signs Squillaci I really began to worry for what he was thinking when he signed an injury prone Sevilla defender past his best.

I'm agreeing with you all to be honest but I suppose I'm role playing Wenger's mindset, he will not pay the money for a 27 year old+ CB from the Premier League it's just not in his nature.

Sometimes his policy comes off, Fabregas, sometimes (Bendtner/Eboue) it doesn't.

I would have no objection if Arsenal paid 15m pounds to buy Cahill tomorrow morning but I just can't see Wenger doing it...
 
spurshater said:
If that is the price we have to pay for an experienced leader who we know is premiership quality for sure? then why not.

Shaqiri is talented for sure, but at such a young age we need someone who can make more of an impact not just on the pitch but in the dressing room too, Mata fits the bill preferctly, and although he is placed on the wing most of the time he doesn't play like an out and out winger/inside forward the way shaqiri does. Mata would be the creative force of our midfield if he joined, shaqiri wouldn't.

I'd love to see perreira bombing down our left but for some reason I just can't see it happening.
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I can't see Arsene breaking the bank to buy Mata, I suspect Reyes is maybe playing a part in this. He was touted at Sevilla as the next superstar and Arsene bought him and it didn't really work out (I liked him).

You need a LB, more than you need a CB. Gibbs is not good enough (at the minute) to be ranked amongst the PL's elite LB's.

Pereira would fit the bill better than Cissokho, impossible to second guess Wenger most of the time though.
 
Jamie. said:
This is where Wenger's mindset differs to say Fergie's, when Ferguson saw what he wanted in Ferdinand at Leeds he went all out for him and ended up paying upwards of 30m for a CB. Was that sensible at the time? No, but it was a long term investment and he knew that the guy would be at United for 6-7 years at the heart of his team. Same thing this summer with De Gea, Wenger would never pay that for a new GK post Seaman/Lehmann he got in Fabianski/Almunia/Chesny relatively cheaply. Just proves the opposite mindset Wenger is in to other managers, Mourinho/Ancelotti/Barce pay what it takes to bring players to a football club generally. Wenger has a completely different mindset, he would rather pay 12 million on a 17 year old than pay 12 million on an experienced CB. Now I wouldn't mind that so much, I know easy for me to say I'm not an AFC fan, but when he signs Squillaci I really began to worry for what he was thinking when he signed an injury prone Sevilla defender past his best.

I'm agreeing with you all to be honest but I suppose I'm role playing Wenger's mindset, he will not pay the money for a 27 year old+ CB from the Premier League it's just not in his nature.

Sometimes his policy comes off, Fabregas, sometimes (Bendtner/Eboue) it doesn't.

I would have no objection if Arsenal paid 15m pounds to buy Cahill tomorrow morning but I just can't see Wenger doing it...
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At almost any other time there is nothing wrong with that mindset,and in fact he has largely done wonders with it. But it wont work now, and someone like Wenger must see that.

Never thought i'd say this, but if he fails to get the right players and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 i can see the end of him...
 
See I think this isn't all Wenger's fault i.e. not spending money. Agreed he does tend to try go for cheaper options rather than spending big bucks but I suspect that a lot of our transfer strategy has to do with the board and their objectives. For instance, I heard a rumour that Kroenke flew all the way from States to override Wenger's original decision to keep Nasri and let him go on a free next summer. That might or might not be true, but it's just an example of the sort of thing that might be going on behind the scenes.
 
Calum said:
^^^ That probably means 5th or 6th for us and no cups
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We all see that...Arsene probably doesn't, in his mind he believes every player in his squad is world class. I mean I just can't see why Wenger is so hesitant in buying players, I mean in the past there have been people like Ibra he has passed up on but now the pressure is on and he signs Campbell/Chamberlain and loses Fabregas...Big moment for him, he will either stick to his guns or go out and buy. Biggest test of his coaching career is undoubtedly the next 2 weeks and what business he does.
 
Carefully side-stepping who we should and shouldn't sign and whether 16 or 17 is the optimum age to sign for Arsenal, I've started a weekly column on Ashburton Grove, analysing individual player performances for each game of the season. Last week it was Gervinho, this time it's Song - and why he struggled against Udinese.

Check it out and leave a comment below the blog: Ashburton Grove - Arsenal news and Arsenal opinion: Song's role against Udinese wasn't helped because of the Rosicky/Ramsey partnership
 
if he doesn't buy anyone i hope this is his last season as he will end up ruining us lol
 
And so it starts again... There's always the negative side to football I suppose. Wish people would just trust Wenger rather than chant "Spend some ******* money" during a game when we're not even playing that badly. Have we played badly since the season begun? No. A win and a draw against a tricky Newcastle side.

Wenger clearly has targets - just because The Sun says he's going to sign Zarate, doesn't make it so. He won't talk about it and we just have to accept that. It doesn't mean he's not working on it ffs.
 
Mike. said:
At almost any other time there is nothing wrong with that mindset,and in fact he has largely done wonders with it. But it wont work now, and someone like Wenger must see that.

Never thought i'd say this, but if he fails to get the right players and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 i can see the end of him...
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A big moment for me was on the surface completely unlinked, when NUFC signed Cabaye who just had the season of his career in France and Arsene was all too aware of having wanted to bring him in the summer before. Off the back of last season and AFC scouts obviously knew that he was available very cheaply, I was asking why wasn't Wenger signing him?

He's in his mid 20's and would fit the bill style wise in Arsenal's midfield, yet he essentially let him go to Newcastle?

Something is not right there, if it's his clear policy of signing U-23's then fine but Wenger likes his bargains and for me that was one of the bargains of the summer. If Wenger goes into the season with the current squad (Even with Nasri) I can't see them finishing in the top 4.

Biggest test for Wenger, I hope he signs people because if he doesn't then I agree I can see the fans turning at the end of the season. With the Fabregas deal there is clearly money available, and to spend what he did on Chamberlain?

He said himself he's not afraid to spend money, but it's really not the right time to be buying Chamberlain at the moment (Would have been better having a season with SAFC in the Champ)...

Baffling.
 
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