The Arsenal Thread

[sunilvk7]

If you are good enough, then you are old enough

Thats all..

 

[Joss]

The selling is not the issue here, its the replacing with better players. Not potentially better players. So you are happy we will/have lost Cesc, Nasri and don't seem to be replacing any of them. That we won't be playing a first team LB tomorrow. Or the fact that we may have to play a 442 and field, Ramsey, Frimpong, AOC/Ryo and AA in midfield against Liverpool? Three of whom are completely inexperienced. The fact that we have to put Nasri and Bendtner in the squad because we are down to the bare bones. Again, I could go on..
You're getting as delusional as Wenger.

I'm not delusional at all. I'm just not jumping on the "Wenger out" bandwagon like you and Calum seem to have done after keeping two clean sheets in two games since the start of the season. When did I say I was happy with Cesc and Nasri leaving? But Cesc has only just left - how the **** are we meant to find a replacement in less than week? Obviously it's frustrating that we've taken so long to get deals done but it's really not as easy as everyone makes out.

Don't see you slamming Utd for not buying a CM, or Chelsea for signing 3 teenagers. I'm just remaining confident that Wenger wouldn't let so many players go without having targets and trying to replace them. Alas we don't have the unlimited budgets that City and Chelsea have, and these deals will take time. As long as we get them before the end of the window, I'm happy and so should you be.

The Cesc saga has clearly held us back in the market; not just financially but generally. We were reluctant to make major moves in the market until that was cleared up because otherwise we'd end up not being able to afford them.

How the **** is Ramsey inexperienced? He was pushing for a starting place ahead of Cesc before he was injured, now he's come back and still looks excellent - he's played the same number of PL games as Phil Jones, who everyone wanted us to sign. Frimpong is good enough as well.

This is ridiculous. Wait until September 1st, then complain if we still haven't strengthened and I'll happily join you. Stop reading Le Grove and The Sun and back our most successful manager in the history of Arsenal. This arguing is boring and pointless.

 

[Sulsey]

@Sulsey and all the other armchair managars who thing they know best: Age has absolutely no correlation to ability, we could buy a 25 year old cdm and he may be no better than Frimpong but you'd be jizzing your pants because he's not 19, not going to say whether or nut he's of the quality required because I just don't know, but I trust Wenger's opinion over some armchair manager. Fabregas debuted when he was 16 btw.

Everyone needs to get behind the team, those who are criticising are the delusional ones. Wenger has delivered CL football for the past 15 seasons, Overmars, Bergkamp, Henry, they've all come and gone, the only constant throughout those hugely successful (Yes I said hugely successful, if top 4 for 15 years in a row is failing there's hundreds of clubs in the uk that would like to be failures too) has been Arsene, he's still here so why panic. Criticise at the end of the season, there's 37 games to go yet. Call for signings and a sacking if and when they finish 8th or whatever nonsene you lot are predicting, because with Wenger's track record you don't have a leg to stand on at the moment.

Oh and there's more to a player than natural ability, Nasri and Cesc may be very technically gifted but I'd back a youngster desperate to play over a more gifted wantaway mercenary any day of the week.

Armchair manager?

I'm simply observing as a supporter of the club. Age has no correlation to ability? Sure it does. Not to mention the fact that with age comes understanding, anticipation, experience of the game itself. To see that a 19 year old Frimpong playing now would be no different than him playing at the age of 25 is stupid. What has Fabregas making his debut at 16 got to do with anything? He was an outstanding talent and has progressed extremely well, hense why IMO, the best team in the world have bought him.

No they are not, at all. They are observing and have been observing far before Wenger. Yes, Wenger has done extremely well to achieve CL football with such a "low" budget, I'm not disputing that. Call for signings at the end of the season? That is what was said at the beginning of the previous season, and here we are at the end. What are you going to say at the end of next? Wait until the end, then you can say he needs to buy players. Don't be stupid.

Nasri no, he has been an idiot and doesn't deserve to wear the Arsenal shirt. Cesc? I would play Cesc every day of the week over Ramsey or another youngster.

 

[*Jones*]

Thats all..

Pretty sure that Kenny has said something like that as well. He said that age is irrelevant when it comes to quality.
In fact, I've just read something about us signing Enrique, and Kenny saying that Jack Robinson is still going to get games, but at 17, we need to be careful of burn out. Young, quality players just need to be managed right.

Also, I'm pretty sure none of you moaned when Fabregas debuted at 16? Or that Wilshere is first choice at 19? I don't understand why people are saying you need to sign a replacement for Cesc, you've already got one in my eyes. Little Welsh kid you've got, heard he's not bad?

 

[Joss]

Pretty sure that Kenny has said something like that as well. He said that age is irrelevant when it comes to quality.
In fact, I've just read something about us signing Enrique, and Kenny saying that Jack Robinson is still going to get games, but at 17, we need to be careful of burn out. Young, quality players just need to be managed right.

Also, I'm pretty sure none of you moaned when Fabregas debuted at 16? Or that Wilshere is first choice at 19? I don't understand why people are saying you need to sign a replacement for Cesc, you've already got one in my eyes. Little Welsh kid you've got, heard he's not bad?

Liverpool must be ******* themselves with laughter. You've not won anything in 5 years, you almost went into admin, you're now chasing the Top 4 - or at least Europa League football - rather than the league as you were doing a few years ago....

And yet - Liverpool fans still sing their hearts out at Anfield, back the manager (who's a legend, just like AW is - although admittedly a little different) and largely seem to be pretty calm about the whole thing while Arsenal fans squabble and argue with one another over any little thing that might happen.

Oh to be a Gooner.

 

[Shockhorror.]

Just like they backed Hodgson and Benitez towards the end of his reign, eh.

 

[Sulsey]

Liverpool must be ******* themselves with laughter. You've not won anything in 5 years, you almost went into admin, you're now chasing the Top 4 - or at least Europa League football - rather than the league as you were doing a few years ago....

And yet - Liverpool fans still sing their hearts out at Anfield, back the manager (who's a legend, just like AW is - although admittedly a little different) and largely seem to be pretty calm about the whole thing while Arsenal fans squabble and argue with one another over any little thing that might happen.

Oh to be a Gooner.

******* themselves with laughter at the team we will be fielding tomorrow.

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Just like they backed Hodgson and Benitez towards the end of his reign, eh.

This.

 

[*Jones*]

Liverpool must be ******* themselves with laughter. You've not won anything in 5 years, you almost went into admin, you're now chasing the Top 4 - or at least Europa League football - rather than the league as you were doing a few years ago....

And yet - Liverpool fans still sing their hearts out at Anfield, back the manager (who's a legend, just like AW is - although admittedly a little different) and largely seem to be pretty calm about the whole thing while Arsenal fans squabble and argue with one another over any little thing that might happen.

Oh to be a Gooner.

If I'm being honest, chasing the top 4 has been the realistic target for the past few seasons, even when we nearly won the league, I'd say we over-achieved massively.

I think it's just the Liverpool way if I'm being honest, apart from last season, when Hodgson clearly had to go. I also think the difference is, we seem to have a more experienced side than Arsenals. We've got youth coming through, but their being bled into the side - the 2 to watch this season will be Robinson and Flanagan and possibly Coady. Next season I'd like to see Suso and Sterling come through but who knows.

I sort of understand where some Arsenal fans are coming from, frustration at not really signing anyone and seeing your best players leave. You only have to ask me how gutted I was when Torres left in January to know how it feels, but if you asked me now, I'd say it's the best thing that's ever happened to the club. You might actually see Arsenal do better, because they won't try and play everything through Cesc this season.

Like I said, you've got a natural replacement for Cesc already - Aaron Ramsey, and you can easily replace Nasri (If & When he goes) with Mata - although it looks like you'll have to act quickly with Chelsea sniffing around. & if you're serious about wanting a new centre back and left back, then just go and raid Everton. Baines and Jagielka would be excellent signings for Arsenal in my opinion, and with Evertons growing financial troubles, you might get them cheaper than you think.

I think this is the season where Wenger will really be judged, he has to get past that reluctance to spend an extra million or two to get the top players, after all, that extra million could be the difference in getting in the top four, or falling out of it.

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Just like they backed Hodgson and Benitez towards the end of his reign, eh.

Knew a comment like this would come. Benitez was backed by the majority of fans before he left, only a minority of idiots got on his back.

Hodgson was backed, until he started throwing us into a relegation battle, fielded poor teams, poor tactics and was generally a mug in his press conferences.

 

[Calum]

What i cant see is how is it so difficult to go to Everton and offer 20 M for Jags and see if they accept instead of the embarrassing 10 M bid we lodged earlier?

 

[Pessh]

What i cant see is how is it so difficult to go to Everton and offer 20 M for Jags and see if they accept instead of the embarrassing 10 M bid we lodged earlier?

Because he's 29, come on Calum, don't be daft. Already got one complete idiot here in the form of Sulsey, don't think I can handle another.

 

[Frank]

If it's not a money issue, like mentioned on SSN, why are we not signing Gary Cahill

Anyway, I would like Mata(£26m), and if possible M'vila or even Jadson (12m)

Which would leave us...

Sczezney

Sagna - Cahill - TV5 - Gibbs

Song/M'vila

Wilshere Jadson/Ramsey

Walcott/Gervinho Arshavin/Mata
RVP​

 

[Jamie.]

What are the chances Miyaichi starts vs Liverpool?

Would love to see him in action in the PL.

 

[Alcaraz]

Liverpool must be ******* themselves with laughter. You've not won anything in 5 years, you almost went into admin, you're now chasing the Top 4 - or at least Europa League football - rather than the league as you were doing a few years ago....

And yet - Liverpool fans still sing their hearts out at Anfield, back the manager (who's a legend, just like AW is - although admittedly a little different) and largely seem to be pretty calm about the whole thing while Arsenal fans squabble and argue with one another over any little thing that might happen.

Oh to be a Gooner.

Liverpool fans do that because Daglish turned their fortunes around at the end of last season while Wenger and Arsenal self-combusted, when Daglish sold off his key players eg. Torres he moved quickly to get replacements (eg. Suarez and Caroll) in even if he did overpay for them but that could not be helped. Daglish also has entered the transfer market and has quickly shored up the areas of concern in Liverpool such as at Left-Back etc. and has brought in quality players to make sure Pool do not stagnate. He has also shown an absence of fear in terms of splashing money on players who he thinks are good enough


I honestly dont see why Pool fans should complain

 

[Sulsey]

Liverpool fans do that because Daglish turned their fortunes around at the end of last season while Wenger and Arsenal self-combusted, when Daglish sold off his key players eg. Torres he moved quickly to get replacements (eg. Suarez and Caroll) in even if he did overpay for them but that could not be helped. Daglish also has entered the transfer market and has quickly shored up the areas of concern in Liverpool such as at Left-Back etc. and has brought in quality players to make sure Pool do not stagnate. He has also shown an absence of fear in terms of splashing money on players who he thinks are good enough


I honestly dont see why Pool fans should complain

Alcaraz speaks sense! Pretty much this.

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@Sulsey and all the other armchair managars who thing they know best: Age has absolutely no correlation to ability, we could buy a 25 year old cdm and he may be no better than Frimpong but you'd be jizzing your pants because he's not 19, not going to say whether or not he's of the quality required because I just don't know, but I trust Wenger's opinion over some armchair manager. Fabregas debuted when he was 16 btw.

Everyone needs to get behind the team, those who are criticising are the delusional ones. Wenger has delivered CL football for the past 15 seasons, Overmars, Bergkamp, Henry, they've all come and gone, the only constant throughout those hugely successful (Yes I said hugely successful, if top 4 for 15 years in a row is failing there's hundreds of clubs in the uk that would like to be failures too) has been Arsene, he's still here so why panic. Criticise at the end of the season, there's 37 games to go yet. Call for signings and a sacking if and when they finish 8th or whatever nonsene you lot are predicting, because with Wenger's track record you don't have a leg to stand on at the moment.

Oh and there's more to a player than natural ability, Nasri and Cesc may be very technically gifted but I'd back a youngster desperate to play over a more gifted wantaway mercenary any day of the week.

Because he's 29, come on Calum, don't be daft. Already got one complete idiot here in the form of Sulsey, don't think I can handle another.

Nice contradiction. I'm the idiot? Moron.

 

[Alcaraz]

People really need some perspective here. At the end of last season, every Arsenal fan was saying "Sell Bendtner, Almunia, Denilson, Diaby, Rosicky, Eboue, Clichy" and now it's "WHY U NO KEEP THESE PLAYERS WENGA?"

And yes, he clearly does believe that certain players are ready for the first team. Miyaichi, Campbell and Jenkinson will all be involved with the first-team this season. That doesn't mean he's not going to sign an experienced centre-back which he's said 10,000 times he's trying to do.

Is Vela really a big loss? Is Clichy? Denilson? Why keep unsettled players like Cesc and Nasri? It's hardly Wenger's fault than Barcelona are massive ***** and refused to make an acceptable offer until mid-August - even then, Wenger gets criticised for selling too cheaply. He simply can't win with some people.

This is flawed logic at best.... maybe Wenger thinks these group of youngsters you mentioned are ready for the first-team but I cant see the likes of Ramsey, Wilshere, Myaichi, Campbell and Jenkinson ever taking you to a major trophy in the short-term, the first two I mentioned are extremely talented and will no doubt become World-Class Players one day but lets get real, Ramsey has just had a major injury not too long ago and whether he will be able to handle the pressure is another story, Wilshere has been excellent but he has always had the privilege to play around experienced better players such as Fabregas and Nasri, dont know if he will be able to handle the burden of expectations Arsenal fans have lumped on his shoulders

The last 3 are unproven, inexperienced and their is no guarntee they will be able to adapt sucessfully to the PLM this season


Honeslty, Wenger needs to bring in quality players in this summer because although all I have been hearing on this thread abot how deadly Ramsey-Wilshere can be, both are young and their is a huge danger they will falter under the pressure

 

[sunilvk7]

This is flawed logic at best.... maybe Wenger thinks these group of youngsters you mentioned are ready for the first-team but I cant see the likes of Ramsey, Wilshere, Myaichi, Campbell and Jenkinson ever taking you to a major trophy, the first two I mentioned are extremely talented and will no doubt become World-Class Players one day but lets get real, Ramsey has just had a major injury not too long ago and whether he will be able to handle the pressure is another story, Wilshere has been excellent but he has always had the privilege to play around experienced better players such as Fabregas and Nasri, dont know if he will be able to handle the burden of expectations Arsenal fans have lumped on his shoulders

Ever? Are you sure about that? Here I'm waiting for Ramsey to fulfill his potential to see him ripping defenders new arsehole.

Wilshere played with Parker still played his normal game. I haven't seen much of Myaichi, Campbell and Jenkinson, I doubt even you did to post definitive posts.

Not comparing, but its good to see how you big up Chelsea youngsters as great potentials and how they carry Chelsea when they haven't played any games in the league at the same time saying Arsenal youngsters wont win them trophies EVER.

 

[Alcaraz]

Ever? Are you sure about that? Here I'm waiting for Ramsey to fulfill his potential to see him ripping defenders new arsehole.

Wilshere played with Parker still played his normal game. I haven't seen much of Myaichi, Campbell and Jenkinson, I doubt even you did to post definitive posts.

Not comparing, but its good to see how you big up Chelsea youngsters as great potentials and how they carry Chelsea when they haven't played any games in the league at the same time saying Arsenal youngsters wont win them trophies EVER.

For your knowledge I have seen enough of those players to have an opinion and all of them have got great potential but I do not think they are ready just yet to play week in and out Football of become key players for Arsenal

Plus this is why I hate debating with you, you always always bring other clubs into the matter even though it has nothing to do with them and I do not remember a time when I have slated Arsenals youngsters, if you read the post carefully enough you find that I do mention they have great potential, I just have my worries that their current ability and the pressure they are likely to face will bring their season to a premature end

 

[Athe~]

Chesney
Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Gibbs
Song Wilshere
Gervinho/Walcott Ramsey Arshavin/Miyaichi
RVP

​

Sure, you can buy better players, but gee guys, I can see that starting XI tearing teams to shreds. I think you're blowing your weaknesses way out of proportion.

 

[Mike.]

For your knowledge I have seen enough of those players to have an opinion and all of them have got great potential but I do not think they are ready just yet to play week in and out Football of become key players for Arsenal

Plus this is why I hate debating with you, you always always bring other clubs into the matter even though it has nothing to do with them and I do not remember a time when I have slated Arsenals youngsters, if you read the post carefully enough you find that I do mention they have great potential, I just have my worries that their current ability and the pressure they are likely to face will bring their season to a premature end

Except Wilshere played more games than any arsenal player last season. And he has a point, you talk abut chelsea's youngsters going on to be stars while downplaying play Arsenal's.

I question any post that says wilshere currently isnt good enough. You definitely havent seen much of Myaichi, or Campbell either for that matter

 

[Alcaraz]

Chesney
Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Gibbs
Song Wilshere
Gervinho/Walcott Ramsey Arshavin/Miyaichi
RVP

​

Sure, you can buy better players, but gee guys, I can see that starting XI tearing teams to shreds. I think you're blowing your weaknesses way out of proportion.

The problem is the depth of the Arsenal Squad, a few injuries to key players and they could find themselves in hot water indeed and their is a clear weakness at LB which needs to be sorted out