The Better Half - 11.3 Plug & Play (!)

[xavier]

Just as I thought...

I am starting new game with Newcastle and will try something like that. I am not going to use exactly this tactics because it is more fun to create a tactics of you own instead of using other people's tactics but my favourite way of play was always 4-1-2-1-2/control. Now i have some excellent guidelines to start with...

Tnx TheBetterHalf

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Just as I thought...

I am starting new game with Newcastle and will try something like that. I am not going to use exactly this tactics because it is more fun to create a tactics of you own instead of using other people's tactics but my favourite way of play was always 4-1-2-1-2/control. Now i have some excellent guidelines to start with...

Tnx TheBetterHalf

Glad I could be of help. The first tweak I would do to make it more "default"( if using this tactifle as a basis) is to tweak the wingbacks into fullbacks and take it from there

 

[xavier]

Glad I could be of help. The first tweak I would do to make it more "default"( if using this tactifle as a basis) is to tweak the wingbacks into fullbacks and take it from there

I think I will try with wingbacks for start, except against very strong teams. However, I like stoper/cover combination and nike defense. Also, I often use DMC as anchor man in order to consolidate defense so I could try something like that...

 

[Mike.]

Quick question, how come the Complete linkman has Try through balls rarely, and the Riot FC has try through balls often?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Quick question, how come the Complete linkman has Try through balls rarely, and the Riot FC has try through balls often?

The Linkman is to be the link between the attakc and midfield and should not try to hit a early t-ball but instead hold on to the ball until his teammates arrives.

The RiotFC should go for goal instantly. He is the most advanced player in the formation and should have 2 options when in possession, 1.) run at goal 2.) hit a t-ball to another player that be in a better position to score

 

[hellroker]

Do you think the riot AMC role would work for Paulo Henrique?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Do you think the riot AMC role would work for Paulo Henrique?

Indeed

 

[Karlsruher38]

Very good tactic, that works perfectly with my Hamburger SV side. I don´t use any OIs and mostly I use the defensive shouts, especially at away games

my results: 17 matches so far
14W - 3D - 0L
32-4 goals

looks very nice and my side seems very good to fit the tactic, won also a friendly vs Real Madrid

and my team is good, but not a perfect squad

My starting squad: (very young, but also very talented)

GK Yann Sommer (SUI)
DL Marcell Jansen
DCL Robert Huth
DCR Omer Toprak
DR Jonathan
DMC Adam Vass
MCL Gojko Kacar
MCR Marco Reus
AMC Marko Marin
STCL Romelu Lukaku
STCR Khouma Babacar

A question:

Do you use the shouts at the start of the game?

I start the match without shouts and look how the match is going, when I take the lead I use the defensive shouts, if I see the offense ist not working well, then I make the offensive shouts... is this the best way?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Very good tactic, that works perfectly with my Hamburger SV side. I don´t use any OIs and mostly I use the defensive shouts, especially at away games

my results: 17 matches so far
14W - 3D - 0L
32-4 goals


A question:

Do you use the shouts at the start of the game?

I start the match without shouts and look how the match is going, when I take the lead I use the defensive shouts, if I see the offense ist not working well, then I make the offensive shouts... is this the best way?

I always start the game and the 2nd half in Full and slow mode. This way I can actually see the following.
- How deep/pushed up the AI sits with its d-line and how aggressive they are playing
- How much width they are using and if they are flooding the midfield or exploiting the flanks
- If their Fullbacks join the attacks or if they stay behind
.

Most of the times, the suggested shouts are enough but as you all understand, there are several other shouts that can be used if one is able to read the ME

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Some more results with this tactic

Now I have tested 10 identical games with Arsenal, with and without the tweaks.

Result:

Without tweaks: 8 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss. Goal-difference: 21-4. Chances: 119/77. CCC: 27.

With tweaks: 9 wins, 1 draw. Goal-difference: 28-2. Chances: 141/63. CCC: 28.

Conclusion: The tweaked one seems to have a enormous potensial. Keep in mind the team had alot of injuries, so not the best players in the world available. The team didnt know the tactic. I did NO talking (teamtalk, pressconference etc.)! Assistant did ALL. I did NO shouts.

PS! I have scientifically tested more or less all the latest tactics (more then 15) from this forum, and this is so far No. 1

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Latest Fixtures:

Transfers for Liverpool:

 

[TheBetterHalf]

first post updated with the following

SECOND TACTIC



THE ASSYMETRIC 442 - DMCL-AML...MCR-MR


Philosophy: Rigid
Strategy: Control
Passing: Shorter
Passing Focus: Mixed
D-line: Fixed to Normal
Tempo & Width : As in TC
Playmaker: No Target Man: Yes, supplied to feet

Some results ( click the team names)
- Coming

Thoughts behind Tactic

The aim with an asymmetric tactic is to use your best players where they can do most damage. IN this tactic, it means that you have a strong Target Man, a Quick FC, A scoring AML, a great classic Winger in MR and a creative MC - Defensive DMc combo

In the attacking shouts, we don't touch the mentality at, neither do we change the focus play. But by making overlaps and add more width, we add bombing wingbacks and create more space for our 4 central midfielders to move into. When using the defensive shouts, we play tighter and move up-field as a unit whilst holding on to the ball. I have also used the strategy Defensive when wanting to close out games or in hard away matches. As the d-line and closing down is fixed, we don't sit too deep

The tweaks:

Wingbacks: If having lesser wingbacks or Fullbacks, I would restrict their t-balls no mixed or even rarely. If being a top notch team, play wider and with attacking Wingbacks




The formation and the players

Every uploaded tactic will come with a screenshot of the formation and the player roles. Some roles will be familiar to you and those, I will not into detail about as their important stat is already in the game. Some roles, you wont recognize as I have made them and named them myself. The explanation of those will be found in the 2nd post. But in short the key players/stats are as follows


The roles are from right to left so the highlighted player is the last in the list

 

[brig64]

Thanks, the Better Half, for this thread!
One question about pitch dimensions. Do you use minimal or standard pitch width with your narrow diamond? I always like to play on narrow pitch if I play without wide midfielders.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Thanks, the Better Half, for this thread!
One question about pitch dimensions. Do you use minimal or standard pitch width with your narrow diamond? I always like to play on narrow pitch if I play without wide midfielders.

That would depend on my team. If playing with Arsenal and I expect almost all opponents to flood the midfield, then ist actually better to use a wider field and use push up the wingbacks but if playing with Blackpool, then narrow it is

 

[rexsomnii]

HI TBH,
thank you so much for your detailed explanations and screenshots! They have helped tremendously with my understanding of how to tweak different settings to achieve what you want. Had a quick question for you.

I''m using your narrow diamond formation with arsenal, and have Hazard and Arshavin alternating as the riot AMC and they're scoring consistantly, as well as fabregas and nasri from long range, which is great fun to watch. However I can't seem to get Van Persie firing on all cylinders. Hes playing the complete linkman role on the right side, i tweaked him to cut inside so he can shoot from distance like he used to in 2010 with Mr Hough's complete dominance with three forwards. On the other side i'm using Muniain who has been scoring consistantly, as your riot fc, but I have no idea how to use Lukaku! I bought him at the beginning of the season before I got your tactics and read them.

Could you please give me some ideas on how I could fit Lukaku into this tactic, and what I should tweak to get RVP scoring again!

Thank you so much.

 

[mrjack41]

Hi TBH,
Having just started a save as AC Milan, first of all i created my own 4-3-3, but it has failed so i come to FM-Base seeking a tactic that will suit Milan. I am looking at your diamond, do you think it would suit,ibra as the linkman and pato as the Riot FC? Ronaldinho as the AMC rotating with robinho.. Flamini as box to box, now i dont think pirlo would suit the advanced playmaker, maybe tweak him to a Dl playmaker?
Gattuso in the DMC role and the basic back four and goalkeeper. What do you think?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

HI TBH,
thank you so much for your detailed explanations and screenshots! They have helped tremendously with my understanding of how to tweak different settings to achieve what you want. Had a quick question for you.

I''m using your narrow diamond formation with arsenal, and have Hazard and Arshavin alternating as the riot AMC and they're scoring consistantly, as well as fabregas and nasri from long range, which is great fun to watch. However I can't seem to get Van Persie firing on all cylinders. Hes playing the complete linkman role on the right side, i tweaked him to cut inside so he can shoot from distance like he used to in 2010 with Mr Hough's complete dominance with three forwards. On the other side i'm using Muniain who has been scoring consistantly, as your riot fc, but I have no idea how to use Lukaku! I bought him at the beginning of the season before I got your tactics and read them.

Could you please give me some ideas on how I could fit Lukaku into this tactic, and what I should tweak to get RVP scoring again!

Thank you so much.

The first thing I would make is to give the FCleft the role of Complete FC, but this time on Attack and the mentality that comes from the RC. As for you new player, I would use him with these settings to

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Hi TBH,
Having just started a save as AC Milan, first of all i created my own 4-3-3, but it has failed so i come to FM-Base seeking a tactic that will suit Milan. I am looking at your diamond, do you think it would suit,ibra as the linkman and pato as the Riot FC? Ronaldinho as the AMC rotating with robinho.. Flamini as box to box, now i dont think pirlo would suit the advanced playmaker, maybe tweak him to a Dl playmaker?
Gattuso in the DMC role and the basic back four and goalkeeper. What do you think?

Looks good. At SI, I have given some advice as to how I would play this narrow diamond with a top notch team. i will provide those teaks later tonight and add them to the OP

 

[mrjack41]

The first thing I would make is to give the FCleft the role of Complete FC, but this time on Attack and the mentality that comes from the RC. As for you new player, I would use him with these settings to

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Looks good. At SI, I have given some advice as to how I would play this narrow diamond with a top notch team. i will provide those teaks later tonight and add them to the OP

Ok will be waiting for those

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Ok will be waiting for those

Here are some of the conversation from SI

Quote from Me

If I was to start a save with Barca, or another big team, the tweaks I would make to the tactic would be

- Set the wingbacks on Attack
- Play wider
i.e, use the attacking shouts at match start

I would also tweak the role of the AMC and give him the settings as a Central Midfielder on support but with a slightly lower mentality ( first notch of normal) and raise his creative freedom to much and give him move into channels. All in all, a mixture of a central midfielder and a TQ

quote By Kolly

Now I have tested 10 identical games with Arsenal, with and without the tweaks.

Result:

Without tweaks: 8 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss. Goal-difference: 21-4. Chances: 119/77. CCC: 27.

With tweaks: 9 wins, 1 draw. Goal-difference: 28-2. Chances: 141/63. CCC: 28.

Conclusion: The tweaked one seems to have a enormous potensial. Keep in mind the team had alot of injuries, so not the best players in the world available. The team didnt know the tactic. I did NO talking (teamtalk, pressconference etc.)! Assistant did ALL. I did NO shouts.

PS! I have scientifically tested more or less all the latest tactics (more then 15) from this forum, and this is so far No. 1

Quote by Kolly

I have made some small tweaks with MASSIVE success on the "Narrow Diamond" tactic

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1. Wingbacks attacking.
2. AMC tweaked like you mentioned earlier.
3. Seldom longshots on all.
4. Both strikers set as Riot FC.
5. Width narrow. First notch of narrow from normal. The result of this instead of having it wider is just as many goals, if not more, next to nothing conceded, and much more posession.
6. Playmaker on the right central midfielder. I stick with your 4-1-2-1-2 formation m8. I tried with 3 on the central midfield, but it wasn`t as successful. Not as creative and fluent. And much better passing alternatives with the diamon

d.

Quote by Chadnw
Thanks for sharing Kolly. Been doing well with those tweaks. I also have set "hold up ball' to NO for all players and get more counter rushes going now

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[TheBetterHalf]

Currently testing a deep 4231. If anyone wants to help out in testing, just send me PM ( not here in the thread)

 

[tav]

the narrow diamond one work fine at start but with all the tweak it's very good i beat juventus in ldc semi final 6-1 with om and in final : http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8128/quellefinale.jpg
my personal touch is drill crosses
my team is full of young wonderkids but i keep the original defense.

 

[sampaman]

hi, first of all great thread. I think a lot of people could learn by only read this. just wanted to say that I use your riot amc in my AC Milan save. and he is really on fire at the moment. I play a fluid, control 4312. with
dl playmaker b2b central mid attack behind him. was just wondering since I'm planning on switch to a 4231 all centre attack mids. do you think that the riot amc would still work as good as before or should I make some tweaks?