The Chelsea Thread

[Joel`]

1. I never said they would struggle. It would be more difficult for them as it would for any club whether you like it or not

Same meaning.

2. Well done on signing him, the only reason you ever got him in the first place was because you were in 7th. You honestly think we would have sold him if Arsenal or City came in? Real title contenders this season. No way

We're in 7th THIS SEASON. You also said that even Chelsea don't think that short term, and that you're still strengthening us for the future with a world class player. I'll just add this point to yet another backtrack.

4. I love Rooney but I don't want him on 300k p/w for five years on top of a transfer fee. Do you want Messi? Yes I am sure you do. Do you want him on 500k p/w for five years on top of a transfer fee? I think not

And you miss the key economic argument. The club are in a far better position than you and I to make decisions on wage offers. If they're offering the wage it means the club can afford the wage. The club have full financial knowledge of the club at the moment, the projections for upcoming seasons, which players are leaving, which players they want to sign, the budget for said outgoings and incomings, future commercial deals etc. Yes there's always an opportunity cost with paying him more, but it's the managers and club officials' job to reach an equilibrium between that opportunity cost and the net benefit that signing Rooney offers us. Since the club is in a far better position to make such a decision, and I trust them to have calculated it properly, no, I really couldn't give a **** what wage he's on, he's either a Manchester United player or not.

You're kidding yourself if you're saying you don't want Rooney on 300k, you're Chelsea and his wages are irrelevant to your financial power. The only thing he'd affect is FFP. If FFP is the only deciding financial factor, we're left with two choices - You don't want him on ?300k because he'd affect your FFP, or you're talking out your ****. You're in no position to judge how his wages would affect FFP, and you haven't shut up about how seriously Chelsea are taking FFP - thus, Chelsea aren't taking FFP seriously, or you're talking out your **** in a desperate attempt to backtrack from your meltdown.

And no, if we signed Messi, I really wouldn't care less about his wages. We'd have ******* Messi.

And yes this does make United look weak. I don't see how you can twist this into anything else

We're re-signing a player who's been in sparkling form and one of the best players in the league. OH NO. HOW WEAK. Seriously, how you found a way to twist signing the player Jose is pitching a tent for makes us weak is quite something. Kudos.

 

[Mike.]

Seems like Chelsea made this move for virtually all the reasons i suggested, bar Rooney.

Alcaraz, if you never wanted Rooney on 300k a week, then you never wanted Rooney at all.

 

[Joel`]

Seems like Chelsea made this move for virtually all the reasons i suggested, bar Rooney.

Alcaraz, if you never wanted Rooney on 300k a week, then you never wanted Rooney at all.

I'm guessing that if they had signed him, he'd have forgotten about his wage about 0.1 seconds after his first goal.

 

[JDY]

300k is a lot of money but if there was no other options I would definitely take him. Negredo would have been perfect in hindsight.

 

[Joel`]

And I don't think Rooney is worth ?300k on pure ability wise. But we have 3 options.

1. Sell him to Chelsea in summer.
2. Let him run his contract down, while he sulks.
3. Re-sign him.

1 is out of the question. 2 means we're paying him ?250k p/w a year for him to sulk and be as much use as a chocolate fireguard, which is a waste of money. Or 3. 3 is the lesser evil, me thinks.

 

[Mike.]

300k is a lot of money but if there was no other options I would definitely take him. Negredo would have been perfect in hindsight.

It's a huge amount of money, but this is Rooney's final major contract. No matter where he went he was going to get this much. Which is why Arsenal never had a chance.

 

[JDY]

And I don't think Rooney is worth ?300k on pure ability wise. But we have 3 options.

1. Sell him to Chelsea in summer.
2. Let him run his contract down, while he sulks.
3. Re-sign him.

1 is out of the question. 2 means we're paying him ?250k p/w a year for him to sulk and be as much use as a chocolate fireguard, which is a waste of money. Or 3. 3 is the lesser evil, me thinks.

I would've thought selling abroad in the summer would be the smarter option. When United were first in for Mata that's what I instantly thought as I couldn't see United spending so much on a player then just playing him on either wing, where he's not nearly as effective as in the middle.

But we'll see.

 

[Joel`]

I would've thought selling abroad in the summer would be the smarter option. When United were first in for Mata that's what I instantly thought as I couldn't see United spending so much on a player then just playing him on either wing, where he's not nearly as effective as in the middle.

But we'll see.

I wouldn't really care about selling him abroad, but Chelsea are pretty much the only ones after him it would seem.

 

[Mike.]

I would've thought selling abroad in the summer would be the smarter option. When United were first in for Mata that's what I instantly thought as I couldn't see United spending so much on a player then just playing him on either wing, where he's not nearly as effective as in the middle.

But we'll see.

Madrid aren't interested, that story came from Manchester (Stretford).

 

[zzeezzy]

I would've thought selling abroad in the summer would be the smarter option. When United were first in for Mata that's what I instantly thought as I couldn't see United spending so much on a player then just playing him on either wing, where he's not nearly as effective as in the middle.

But we'll see.

I still don't understand how Moyes is going to fit in Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP. In my mind one of them has to be on the way out.... perhaps Rooney will be mainly used as a striker and RVP is looking for a way out, or his injuries means he won't hardly be used and be shipped off in the summer.

Most likely Kagawa I say.

 

[GodCubed]

As a side note Messi for 500k per week would be a ******* stellar deal.

 

[zzeezzy]

Messi for 500k per week is a ******* stellar deal.

United fans wouldn't like that because of the wage he is on. Alcaraz folks... he's here all week.

 

[Mike.]

I still don't understand how Moyes is going to fit in Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP. In my mind one of them has to be on the way out.... perhaps Rooney will be mainly used as a striker and RVP is looking for a way out, or his injuries means he won't hardly be used and be shipped off in the summer.

Rotation, we shouldn't be playing Januzaj every game. But really thats for the United thread

 

[JDY]

I still don't understand how Moyes is going to fit in Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP. In my mind one of them has to be on the way out.... perhaps Rooney will be mainly used as a striker and RVP is looking for a way out, or his injuries means he won't hardly be used and be shipped off in the summer.

Can't see Kagawa being integrated on a regular basis. Seems Welbeck has always been highly thought of around the club and would be a good squad player. Pretty sure now Mata will slot in the middle with Welbeck/Hernandez upfront. No clue what happens when RVP and Rooney are back though

 

[Alcaraz]

United fans wouldn't like that because of the wage he is on. Alcaraz folks... he's here all week.

Look at Chu. All optimistic now ... Certainly a change from the normal surly mood you have been in all season. Cute

And you can congratulate yourself on misunderstanding my analogy while you are at it

 

[Vanjagl]

I still don't understand how Moyes is going to fit in Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP. In my mind one of them has to be on the way out.... perhaps Rooney will be mainly used as a striker and RVP is looking for a way out, or his injuries means he won't hardly be used and be shipped off in the summer.

Most likely Kagawa I say.

RVP up front with narrow trio of Rooney, Mata and Januzaj or Kagawa behind him. Nani can play behind striker, Valencia plays if for Ecuador and Young played there for A. Villa.

 

[Alcaraz]

And I don't think Rooney is worth ?300k on pure ability wise. But we have 3 options.

1. Sell him to Chelsea in summer.
2. Let him run his contract down, while he sulks.
3. Re-sign him.

1 is out of the question. 2 means we're paying him ?250k p/w a year for him to sulk and be as much use as a chocolate fireguard, which is a waste of money. Or 3. 3 is the lesser evil, me thinks.

Would you call his performances this season as that of someone who has been as much use as a chocolate fire guard? Fact is that Rooney is the type to give his best on the pitch whenever he plays ... Running down his contract seems better than paying him 300k p/w until he is 33

 

[zzeezzy]

Look at Chu. All optimistic now ... Certainly a change from the normal surly mood you have been in all season. Cute

And you can congratulate yourself on misunderstanding my analogy while you are at it

I'm still in the normal grumpy mood, the luxury signing of Mata wasn't what I even wanted, it's a luxury one... not what we needed.

I just like teasing you and Chelsea fans.. because I know how much everyone loves him.

 

[Mike.]

Would you call his performances this season as that of someone who has been as much use as a chocolate fire guard? Fact is that Rooney is the type to give his best on the pitch whenever he plays ... Running down his contract seems better than paying him 300k p/w until he is 33

Er no it doesn't seem like good business to let him walk into Chelsea. He's definitely got 5 years in him... oh thats how long the contract is.

 

[Alcaraz]

Seems like Chelsea made this move for virtually all the reasons i suggested, bar Rooney.

Alcaraz, if you never wanted Rooney on 300k a week, then you never wanted Rooney at all.

Except we were willing to match his wages in the summer and by all accounts, he was willing to move. I don't really think Rooney would have passed up the opportunity to move if he had it simply because Chelsea refused to pay him a bit more when he is on such high wages already. His reasons for wanting to move after all were not financial ..

I'm guessing that if they had signed him, he'd have forgotten about his wage about 0.1 seconds after his first goal.

You can say that about any football fan. Haven't Pool fans forgotten all about Suarez' antics in the summer after his blistering form? Its hardly like this trait is exclusive to Chelsea fans. Him scoring goals doesn't change the fact that 300k p/w would be horrendous for us in terms of FFP. Not for United but for Chelsea