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Now, that's how to handle a night in Europe, isn't it? OK, so there was a slight sense, at the end, of having snatched a draw from the jaws of victory.

But, at the same time, at least none of our players, when asked to come on as substitutes, mutinously refused to do so, causing the manager to state that the player in question would never play for the club again, and obliging the club to suspend him for a fortnight, pending an investigation.

At least none of our substituted players elected to storm past the manager on their way off the pitch, toss their tracksuit top around and slam their boots violently into the ground.

And at least we didn't go 2-0 up at home to far weaker opposition, only to fall 2-3 behind and then rely on a streaky last-minute equaliser to perform a partial reconstitution job on our faces.

All in all, by comparison with the behaviour of one or two of the other English entrants for the Champions League this week, our appearance in Spain was exemplary for its quiet and yet deeply skilled and often mesmerisingly inventive efficiency.


True, some people might point at the random yellow cards picked up for dissent after the final whistle by Juan Mata and Ashley Cole and suggest that a little more discipline might have been in order, briefly. But you could understand the players' frustration. When was the last time a referee awarded a free kick to a side in a highly promising attacking position and then decided there was no time to take it? Why wouldn't he just blow for time instead of awarding the free kick, and thereby not wind everyone up?

But we've been here before, haven't we? It's called 'officiating at elite UEFA levels', and one day, I hope to be able to understand it.


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[TD]Things I would say to Frank Lampard if I could:

That, firstly, and most importantly, enormous and everlasting gratitude is due. Three Premier League titles, three FA Cups and two League Cups - I've won all of those, with your help. Plus (why not? Jose Mourinho always used to count them) two Community Shields.

And that gratitude is simultaneously due for 517 appearances and 172 goals. From midfield. Not just outstanding. Unparalleled. For perspective: that's 11 more goals than Ryan Giggs has scored for Manchester United - but in 366 fewer appearances. 366! And you haven't finished yet. Not finished by a long way. Even if you don't start every time, you will play many more games, because, round this way, there always seem to be a lot of games to be played.

That according to Sports Illustrated magazine, in June this year you were the 49th highest earning sportsperson in the world. Wowza. That's pretty good going, when you think that the world contains American basketball players.

That at my youngest son's school the other day, when they were asked to nominate their favourite sportsperson, the vast majority of them put your name down. OK, so it's a predominantly Chelsea-supporting school in south west London. But not just 'favourite footballer', note, because you seem to be bigger than that in their minds: favourite sportsperson.

That by the time they get to 33, an awful lot of players have gone to Birmingham, or somewhere similar.

They are said to be 'winding down'. You, by contrast, are still critically involved in - and absolutely central to - the fortunes of a Champions League club that tends to be fighting for a title and three trophies in any given year. And for how many more seasons, if you get it right? Three? Four? Five? This is some position to be in.

That no successful side can be successfully re-fashioned without older players being obliged to adjust, in ways that might at first strike them as insulting or, at the very least, a bit cheeky. Fans know this. But fans also know that influence in and around a club isn't necessarily measured in minutes on the pitch.


That at the height of all that trumped-up stuff about ageing players and slower playing styles, it was noticeable that, when you and Nicolas Anelka eventually came on against Bayer Leverkusen, the pace quickened.
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That the language people use is all wrong. Worse, the right language doesn't seem to be available.

I read articles in which you are described as currently 'struggling for a place in the side', when surely we should really be talking about the extraordinary importance and value of the kind of player who is not automatically first choice at home to Swansea, but is first choice against Valencia, away in the Champions League, three days later.

But there seem to be fewer off-the-peg phrases to describe that role in such a way as to lend it the required dignity. People, loving to sniff a downfall and the imminent end of things, seem to prefer a gloomier spin. We'd all be mad to join them.


That the first people to preach the benefits of the squad system are managers. But the second people to preach it ought to be senior players. It's so patently in their interests to do so.
That the press would absolutely love it if your perfectly natural dissatisfaction at being required to play from the bench from time to time could be fashioned into a full-blown snit, served up with an extra-large serving of indignation, a dollop of speculation regarding dressing room disharmony and all the trimmings. That's back-page heaven.


Indeed, the Mail on Sunday has been all over this already. And, of course, there is very little you can do about being taken out of context, although, if you were ever in a position to give one, a public statement of outright support for the manager and his long-term project puts that one to bed pretty conclusively. (The one after last night's match was pretty useful. There will be other even better opportunities to be even more emphatic, I'm sure.)


That you are already a club legend - but that who knows what lies in store for you if, as someone widely regarded as the consummate professional, you get this next phase of the career right? Probably nothing short of immortality.[/TD]
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'One step forwards and 12 steps backwards.' That was somebody's verdict on Fernando Torres' extraordinary, scene-stealing first half performance against Swansea last Saturday, with its goal and its assist and then its sending off, all compressed into one headline-friendly 15-minute passage.


But the verdict seemed a bit harsh to me, and to do a disservice to the quantum leap taken by Torres's form, which was further attested to last night, when only two saves of almost Banks-esque worldliness prevented him from making it three goals in three games. Saturday was one step forward, three games suspended, maybe. But that still leaves him in a cheeringly good place.




What a Blog by Giles Smith. Honestly, his blog perfectly sums up my frustrations at all this nonsense about Lampard going on in the Press... hope Lampard reads this


Super Frank!


 
That entire post and analysis didn't mention the word 'Kalou' once, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing that he did exactly what everyone expected him to do and he didn't surprise anyone or was it amazing restraint?

Agree on Lampard, he's never been a great playmaker but he does what he did on Wednesday he was pretty invisible all match and he crops up with a clinical finish when he gets a chance. Still think this should be his last 20+ game season, maybe scale him down and ease in a new playmaker. With Ramires and Essien/Meireles/Mikel as the other 2 midfielders it's pretty clear a pure creative playmaker is missing and with AVB's system I do think a Guarin type is needed who is essentially box to box but creates a lot of chances on the ball.

On the slower playing styles point, Anelka/Drogba aside the rest of the players last season were guilty of it and Malouda in particular showed no anticipation or forward thinking on Wednesday. He needs to be eased out pretty sharpish, which I'm sure would be the case now had Chelsea managed to sign Pereira.

Got a lot of Chelsea fans telling me the past 2 weeks ''Ah, we see why we tried to sign Pereira now'', him and Cole would be pretty sensational down the left flank and provide clear pace and width down the flank.

My only, only, concern with Torres first half was he didn't get in the box once when Chelsea got down the flanks and that meant the crosser had zero options to aim for in the box. He did it deliberately to hang off outside the box for a short pass I presume but he needs to get in the box especially leading the line. He actually managed to get in the box in the second half and nearly scored a header and a superb volley, hopefully it was just a tactic and not a bad habit.
 
That entire post and analysis didn't mention the word 'Kalou' once, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing that he did exactly what everyone expected him to do and he didn't surprise anyone or was it amazing restraint?

Agree on Lampard, he's never been a great playmaker but he does what he did on Wednesday he was pretty invisible all match and he crops up with a clinical finish when he gets a chance. Still think this should be his last 20+ game season, maybe scale him down and ease in a new playmaker. With Ramires and Essien/Meireles/Mikel as the other 2 midfielders it's pretty clear a pure creative playmaker is missing and with AVB's system I do think a Guarin type is needed who is essentially box to box but creates a lot of chances on the ball.

On the slower playing styles point, Anelka/Drogba aside the rest of the players last season were guilty of it and Malouda in particular showed no anticipation or forward thinking on Wednesday. He needs to be eased out pretty sharpish, which I'm sure would be the case now had Chelsea managed to sign Pereira.

Got a lot of Chelsea fans telling me the past 2 weeks ''Ah, we see why we tried to sign Pereira now'', him and Cole would be pretty sensational down the left flank and provide clear pace and width down the flank.

My only, only, concern with Torres first half was he didn't get in the box once when Chelsea got down the flanks and that meant the crosser had zero options to aim for in the box. He did it deliberately to hang off outside the box for a short pass I presume but he needs to get in the box especially leading the line. He actually managed to get in the box in the second half and nearly scored a header and a superb volley, hopefully it was just a tactic and not a bad habit.


Agree with you in most parts there Jamie, Kalou and Malouda are just not good enough if we want to play well under AVBs system... neither of them are genuine creators and both of them are so greedy it gets frustrating to watch at times, we definetely need better plays than both of them in our squad come January... honeslty speakin I would not mind selling both of them off this summer for around 8-10m combined and then using that money to subsidize costs for someone like Gotze

And on the issue of Lampard, yes I agree he is getting on and is not the same player he was and now is the time we slowly phase him out of the team, he has to understand that at this age he should expect no more than a rotational role if he wants to continue playing at the highest possible level just like Giggs and Scholes did... hope we go for Ganso in January as Ganos/Piazon/McEachran will be a sensational midfield in a few years

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So how does everyone see us lining up against Bolton?

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This would be my preferred Team... Ramires using his stamina to go box-to-box and hit Bolton the counter, Lampard doing what he does best by rushing into the box late to bang in goals and Meirless playing the 'Anchor Man' Role in front of the defence by recycling posession

Defensively, Ivanovic at RB to provide some defensive solidity and Terry Luiz at CB along with Cole at LB


 
Seriously couldnt believe what i have just heard. I was watching a phone in show on ChelseaTV which was filmed Friday night and a caller said Petr Cech was a liability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Seriously couldnt believe what i have just heard. I was watching a phone in show on ChelseaTV which was filmed Friday night and a caller said Petr Cech was a liability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

some people are idiots, i remember when they did to Rooney during the west ham game.....then he destroyed the hammers
 
Agree with you in most parts there Jamie, Kalou and Malouda are just not good enough if we want to play well under AVBs system... neither of them are genuine creators and both of them are so greedy it gets frustrating to watch at times, we definetely need better plays than both of them in our squad come January... honeslty speakin I would not mind selling both of them off this summer for around 8-10m combined and then using that money to subsidize costs for someone like Gotze

And on the issue of Lampard, yes I agree he is getting on and is not the same player he was and now is the time we slowly phase him out of the team, he has to understand that at this age he should expect no more than a rotational role if he wants to continue playing at the highest possible level just like Giggs and Scholes did... hope we go for Ganso in January as Ganos/Piazon/McEachran will be a sensational midfield in a few years

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So how does everyone see us lining up against Bolton?

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This would be my preferred Team... Ramires using his stamina to go box-to-box and hit Bolton the counter, Lampard doing what he does best by rushing into the box late to bang in goals and Meirless playing the 'Anchor Man' Role in front of the defence by recycling posession

Defensively, Ivanovic at RB to provide some defensive solidity and Terry Luiz at CB along with Cole at LB



You can't have Meireles in the anchor man role. He is not a defensive midfielder. Ramires as the anchor with Meireles/Lampard ahead of him would work much, much better IMO. Agree with the defence. Bosingwa a liability against more physical teams. Front 3 I'd play Sturridge ahead of Anelka personally although he could be taken by returning to the Reebok. Expect a fairly comfortable Chelsea win tbh. Hope they do anyway (selfish accumulator related reasons).
 
You can't have Meireles in the anchor man role. He is not a defensive midfielder. Ramires as the anchor with Meireles/Lampard ahead of him would work much, much better IMO. Agree with the defence. Bosingwa a liability against more physical teams. Front 3 I'd play Sturridge ahead of Anelka personally although he could be taken by returning to the Reebok. Expect a fairly comfortable Chelsea win tbh. Hope they do anyway (selfish accumulator related reasons).

You certainly can have Meireles as an anchor man. I'd argue he's far more natural there than Ramires, who is definitely not suited to that position. Chelsea only really have one true anchor man, Mikel, but Meireles is the second down. He's not wonderfully good at any role in midfield really, but he's pretty good at just about everything. Ramires is positionally suspect and offers more in attack than he does in defence. Restricting him to a defensive role means that he can't use his stamina and pace to get up and down the field.
 
I think the lineup will be pretty much the normal AVB selection vs non 'big teams'. So that's no start for Luiz or Mikel.

Cech
Bosingwa - Ivanovic - Terry - Cole
Meireles
Ramires - Lampard
Anelka - Drogba - Mata​

Possibly Malouda in for Lampard but it's unlikely.

Meireles started out as a holding player at Porto and had to adapt a more attacking role once Lucho left in particular. He's competent enough to hold vs the 'lesser teams' like he has done at SAFC for example. AVB sees Mikel as 'overkill' defensively versus teams like Bolton who he thinks he can outgun without having to be too protective. Playing Meireles vs Manchester United in a holding role, and well, that's a big mistake. He's just a nice option to have for the DM slot given the extra on-the-ball capabilities he has.

Ramires at DM, I would worry about. That's always been the feeling with Ramires that he could eventually mold into a DM, I'm just not sure he has the discipline for the role. I'm rather annoyed that no real attempt has been made to play Luiz in a CDM role, I think it needs to happen in the next 2 seasons otherwise you're just letting him develop into a CB. Luiz has been outstanding in both CL games he has played, he's my choice to partner Terry but I can't see AVB changing Ivanovic.

Also bit of news, Chelsea look like they have finally tied up Bosingwa's contract extension. It was due to run out next summer, but looks like they have extended it to 2013, great news.
 
I think Ramires could be a capable holding player, but in the mould of Essien rather than in the anchor man-esque role of Mikel. In a 4-2-3-1, for example, I think he would work perfectly if played alongside a proper destroyer like Mikel.
 
will be interesting to see how we play without torres being the center of attention,
im going for a 3-0 win with the goals coming from Lampard and Drogba x2.
 
Bolton: Bogdan, Steinsson, Boyata, Cahill, Robinson, Gardner, Pratley, Reo-Coker, Petrov, Ngog, K Davies

Chelsea: Cech; Bosingwa, Ivanovic, Terry, Cole; Meireles, Lampard, Ramires; Sturridge, Drogba, Mata
 
ohhh JT... :/

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SUPER FRANKY LAMPARD! great goal!
 
ohh how easy that was. bolton look dead and gone already. wanna run riot today! shame no torres ;)

almost a 3rd straight away!

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sturridge great skill. ramires not so much :\
 
Sturridge has come on leaps and bounds. What a player. Nice to see him showing respect to his former club too after scoring. Classy
 
sturridge keeps coming back onto his left. defenders gotta catch on. mata wastful though. if sturridge can use his right foot more he'll be a better player.
 
Ray Wilkins said:
As fit as a butcher's dog Frank Lampard

Great to see Sturridge take the selfless option: he's been a bit too eager to impress with runs and taking on everyone by himself.
 
david n'gog is looking terrrible so far. i don't think we need to worry about him so much.

good tracking from mata. small things like that he needs to do, especially on cole's side.

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daniel sturrrrridge. not good enough keeping. 3 already. could see 10 really.
 
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