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Yeah. If its for Spurs then he will be as a bargaining chip, that would make sense though. Still Modric as CM and Benayoun in the Malouda role would be superb for Chelsea. Full of creativity and possession. He is good in the final third too..

Yes, I'd much rather Benayoun playing where Malouda does, unless we get a new winger like AVB wants, but with 2 weeks remaining he may not be able to get who he wants.
 
Yes, I'd much rather Benayoun playing where Malouda does, unless we get a new winger like AVB wants, but with 2 weeks remaining he may not be able to get who he wants.

I was thinking same, why didn't Benayoun start ahead of at least Kalou..
 
I was thinking same, why didn't Benayoun start ahead of at least Kalou..

Don't agree with that, I rate Kalou, Benayoun should have started ahead of Malouda though. Even though Kalou was poor against Stoke.
 
Don't agree with that, I rate Kalou, Benayoun should have started ahead of Malouda though. Even though Kalou was poor against Stoke.

He did well/ok as a sub. Really dont see anything why he started ahead of Benayoun or even Drogba who played well as RW against us..
 
I don't rate Kalou one bit, never showed anything like the quality I want in a RW...

Mikel is slowly winning me over with his solid displays and quicker passing but Kalou is still his same old useless self.

Kalou would not even get on the Inter/AC/Madrid/Barce bench yet alone their starting lineup but as I've said before I understand why Gourlay keeps him around because of his ''value for money'' when comparing his minutes/goals-wages.

No comparison to Valencia/Nani/Young/Bale/Other PL wingers. And I know people will say he's a forward more than a winger but frankly he's an even worse forward.

Malouda wise I know some fans think he still has it because he was the top scorer last season but I don't think he's still got it at all...He looks tired and technically he just looks awful at the minute. Would much rather we put someone younger and more talented in and move that guard of 2/3 years ago on...
 
AVB's interview.. The way he reads the game is just superb..

Circulation: the retention of possession by passing from player to player without taking risks.

Vertical: Up and down the pitch, from goal to goal.

Horizontal: Across the pitch, from touchline to touchline.

Transition: When possession is regained, the opportunity to counter-attack.

Low block: A team that defends with two deep banks of defenders and midfielders. Mourinho’s succinct term for it was “parking the bus”.

A FOOTBALL PHILOSOPHY

AVB: There are more spaces in football than people think. Even if you play against a low block team, you immediately get half of the pitch.

And after that, in attacking midfield, you can provoke the opponent with the ball, provoke him to move forward or sideways and open up a space. But many players can’t understand the game.

They can’t think about or read the game. Things have become too easy for football players: high salaries, a good life, with a maximum of five hours work a day and so they can’t concentrate, can’t think about the game.

Barcelona’s players are completely the opposite. Their players are permanently thinking about the game, about their movement, about how to provoke their opponent with the position of the ball.

DS: Does a top team need to dominate possession to win a match?

AVB: Not necessarily, for a simple reason. In Portugal we have this idea of match control based on ball circulation.

That’s what we in Portugal want to achieve in our football: top teams that dominate by ball possession, that push the opponent back to their area.

If you go find the top English teams pre-Arsene Wenger they tell you how to control a match in the opposite way without much ball possession, direct football, searching for the second ball.

Maybe now, controlling possession is the reference point for a top team, but that happens because they have much more quality players than the other teams, so it would be wrong not to take advantage of those individual skills.

DS: One thing Louis Van Gaal says is that you can control a match offensively and defensively but you must keep in control defensively you can also determine where your opponent will play on the pitch.

AVB: Yes, I agree. In that sense, yes. But the idea we now have in Portugal of match control is about having more ball possession than the opponent.

DS: Exactly, but match control has to result in scoring chances. That’s the only way it makes sense. There are teams that have like 60 per cent ball possession and that results in nothing at all.

AVB: That’s it. Match control always has to have a purpose, a main goal.

DS: And in that concept of match control, are there any sectors of the team more important than others?

AVB: Well, that depends on the mechanisms you want to use defensively and offensively. Let me give you an example.

Top teams nowadays don’t look to vertical penetration from their midfielders because the coach prefers them to stand in position (horizontally) and then use the movement of the wingers as the main source to create chances.

So, you, as a coach, have to know exactly what kind of players you have and analyse the squad to decide how you want to organise your team offensively. And then, there are maybe some players more important than others.

For instance, many teams play with defensive pivots, small defensive midfielders.

And, except Andrea Pirlo and Xabi Alonso, and maybe Esteban Cambiasso and one or two more, they are players that are limited to the horizontal part of the game: they keep passing the ball from one side to another, left or right, without any kind of vertical penetration.

Can’t you use your defensive midfielder to introduce a surprise factor in the match? Let’s say, first he passes horizontally and then, suddenly, vertical penetration?

THE INFLUENCE OF JOSE MOURINHO

AVB: There has been an evolution in football language and football analysis since Mourinho started to coach. There’s a different way of looking at a match, a different way of doing technical analysis.

People have started to look beyond the formation, and started talking about the dynamics within the team and how they’re more important than the team’s formation.

TALKING TACTICS

DS: What’s the difference between playing with three or four midfielders?

AVB: Rafa Benitez created a 4-4-2 much more dynamic than the usual English 4-4-2. Because he introduced speed in ball possession, he gave it variation between vertical and horizontal passes.

The usual classic English 4-4-2 is more basic: a penetrating midfielder and another one that stays in position; a winger who moves inside and another one who stays wide; a full back who overlaps and another one who covers the defence.

If you talk about a 4-4-2 diamond, that’s totally different. You play with two pivotal midfielders, one defensive and one offensive, so it creates many more problems for your opponent.

Defensively, though, you take a great risk of ceding too much space because you are very central and you lack width. You have to create compensation mechanisms.

Me, I’m a 4-3-3 fan, not 4-4-2. I don’t see how a classic 4-4-2 could work in the Spanish league, where every team plays 4-3-3 and the superiority of the midfield has become crucial.

What Mourinho did with Chelsea with his 4-3-3 was something never seen before: a dynamic structure, aggressive, with aggressive transitions...and then there is Barca’s 4-3-3, which wouldn’t work in England, because of the higher risk of losing the ball.

If you have midfielders like Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard you don’t want your forwards to come and play between lines, because Lampard and Gerrard have a large field of action and very often move in to those spaces.

Lampard was often irritated with Didier Drogba because Drogba wanted to receive the ball there but then, amazingly, his first touch was poor, so he lost the ball and we were exposed to a transition from the opponent.

So we had to limit Drogba from going there and ask him to play deeper.

BARCELONA’S TACTICAL MASTERPLAN

DS: Is good ball circulation essential in the attacking organisation of a top team?

AVB: Well, it’s essential to every team. Every team want to score. That’s the purpose of the game. Barcelona play horizontally only after a vertical pass. See how the centre backs go out with ball, how they construct the play. They open up (moving wider), so that the right or left-back can join the midfield line.

Guardiola has talked about it: the centre backs provoke the opponent, invite them forward then, if the opponent applies quick pressure the ball goes to the other central defender, and this one makes a vertical pass.

Not to the midfielders, who have their back turned to the ball, but to those moving between lines, Andres Iniesta or Lionel Messi, or even directly to the striker.

Then they play the second ball with short lay-offs, either to the wingers who have cut inside or the midfielders, who now have the game in front of them.

They have an enormous capacity not to lose the ball, to do things with an unbelievable precision.

Another thing about Barcelona, there is always a full-back who arrives earlier in the attack, the other stays in position initially but then progressively joins the attack, as the ball circulates on the other side of the pitch, so he can be a surprise element. When you least expect he arrives. He chooses the perfect timing for the overlap.

DS: Louis Van Gaal says a vertical pass is not a risk, but a horizontal pass is because when you make a horizontal pass you are much more open, more exposed in case you lose the ball.

AVB: Yes, that’s right. And there are differences between a horizontal pass and a slightly diagonal pass.

Something that used to happen a lot in England, when teams played 4-4-2, was that the central midfielders exchanged the ball between them in parallel passes so what we did with Lampard, or Liverpool did with Gerrard, was to try to cut into that space between the two midfielders with fast movement from Lampard.

If they got the ball there, there were already two opponents eliminated in the attacking transition.

DEALING WITH DEFENSIVE TEAMS

DS: How do you attack a team that plays with an ultra-low block?

AVB: Let’s see. Juventus play with an ultra-low block, they don’t put any pressure on you high up the field. Nowadays most teams don’t. It can limit you because they control the space behind them with perfect offside timing.

They limit your vertical passes as well because they are all grouped within 30 or 40 metres, completely closed in two lines of four plus the two forwards.

So you start constructing “short”, begin the attacking process with your centre-backs of full-backs carrying the ball forward to the midfield area but then you want to pass the ball to the midfielders and you don’t know how to do it, because there is an ultra-limited space, everything is completely closed.

DS: So what to do?

AVB: You have to provoke them with the ball, which is something most teams can’t do. I cannot understand it. It’s an essential factor in the game.

At this time of ultra-low defensive block teams, you will have to learn how to provoke them with the ball. It’s the ball they want, so you have to defy them using the ball as a carrot.

Louis Van Gaal’s idea is one of continuous circulation, one side to the other, until the moment that, when you change direction, an space opens up inside and you go through it.

So, he provokes the opponent with horizontal circulation of the ball, until the moment that the opponent will start to pressure out of despair. What I believe in is to challenge the rival by driving the ball into him.

That’s something Pep Guardiola believes is decisive. And that’s something that Henk ten Cate also took to Avram Grant’s Chelsea. He took it with him form Frank Rijkaard’s Barcelona. We did it differently at Chelsea under Mourinho.

Our attacking construction was different, with the ball going directly to the full-backs or midfielders. With Ten Cate, play was started with John Terry or Ricardo Carvalho, to invite the opponent’s pressure. Then you had one less opponent in the next step of construction.
 
I don't rate Kalou one bit, never showed anything like the quality I want in a RW...

Mikel is slowly winning me over with his solid displays and quicker passing but Kalou is still his same old useless self.

Kalou would not even get on the Inter/AC/Madrid/Barce bench yet alone their starting lineup but as I've said before I understand why Gourlay keeps him around because of his ''value for money'' when comparing his minutes/goals-wages.

No comparison to Valencia/Nani/Young/Bale/Other PL wingers. And I know people will say he's a forward more than a winger but frankly he's an even worse forward.

Malouda wise I know some fans think he still has it because he was the top scorer last season but I don't think he's still got it at all...He looks tired and technically he just looks awful at the minute. Would much rather we put someone younger and more talented in and move that guard of 2/3 years ago on...

I don't like Kalou as a right winger either, he's better on the left and that's the position he prefers. It suits him a lot better because he likes to cut in and dribble, but when he does that on the right, he ends up on his left, it's a lot different on the opposite side. And his crossing isn't good either which is another reason to play him on the left.

January onwards and at the start of last season he was one of our best players, but people seem to overlook that.

Mikel has always been one of our more consistent players in the past two years, at the start of last year he was amazing, but I agree on the quicker passing, but I don't think that was necessarily his fault before, Ancelotti could have been telling him to slow it down to give people a chance to get back in postion.

On paper he wouldn't get in the Inter squad, but that's not because he's not talented enough, it's because it would block young talent from making the bench. But with Eto'o leaving I think he'd comfortably get in the squad. I don't see why he wouldn't get on the AC bench, would be perfect cover for their forwards. Probably wouldn't fit in the Madrid bench, but they have a lot of squad depth, but he'd be 3rd/4th striker/winger with Callejon. He wouldn't get on the bench at Barca imo, but they are the best team in the world.

Yes, he's know comparison because they're different positions. Kalou is a second striker, he plays off the striker, you've just named 4 out-and-out wingers. Kalou a useful player and I agree on Malouda, and yes we need a new winger. That's the end from me.

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We've apparently bid 25 million for Mata. Valencia want nearer 30.
 
MATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man i hope we put a 30mil offer and we get him ASAP. exactly what we need.

dont act stingy roman! up to 30 NOW!
 
Chelsea INTERESTED in Mata FOR SURE. His buy out clause 60m euros but Valencia will consider selling for 30m. Chelsea want a winger

Guillem Balague.

We need to up that bid, he's perfect for what we want.




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Balague again:

Chelsea willing to do a very big effort for Mata. He was only thinking of FCB and AFC but key!: AVB likes him:he plays on the hole or wing




 
Mata definitely fits the bill in terms of what we need in a winger, really hoping Roman ups his game in terms of bidding, 30 million euros is cheap when you look at previous spending by us <)
 
Why we didn't wrap up this signing ages ago is beyond me. Wenger is a complete ***.
 
Any word on what the holdup with Lukaku is? Definitely going through?
 
I think right now Calum and Joss are having a breakdown

Good! Been wanting him all summer and now they'll now how I felt (hopefully, nothing concrete yet though.)

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Any word on what the holdup with Lukaku is? Definitely going through?

I said it could have been finished yesterday, but now there's rumours it could be finished today. It will definitely go through. Don't worry.
 
Just seen the information about the (proposed) bid,

35m euros is the total proposal, 7m euros of that will be add ons with a 4m bonus paid to Valencia if Mata gets a league winners medal with Chelsea and the 3m is spread out over CL appearances and goal bonuses.

The crucial thing as to why Valencia are likely to accept 28m euros as an up front payment is simple, they want cash NOW not spread out in the way some clubs (i.e Arsenal/Barce) propose. Chelsea would pay an upfront fee of around 17m euros straight cash whereas with AFC/FCB they would propose a deal involving 8-10m euros then big lump sums paid regardless over the next 3 years.

Guess we know why Chelsea turned down Bastos, have a feeling this will go through along with Moutinho.

M&M would certainly make us title worthy without a shadow of a doubt, think the pair of them would put Chelsea back amongst the top 4 clubs, on paper, in Europe.

I mentioned a month or so ago that Post U-21 Champs Mata's dad was in London talking to THFC/AFC/CFC about possible moves but it seemed to go quiet. Glad Chelsea have firmed up their interest, would liven up the team and him+Torres is just an utterly devastating combination...
 
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Just seen the information about the bid,

35m euros is the total proposal, 7m euros of that will be add ons with a 4m bonus paid to Valencia if Mata gets a league winners medal with Chelsea and the 3m is spread out over CL appearances and goal bonuses.

The crucial thing as to why Valencia are likely to accept 28m euros as an up front payment is simple, they want cash NOW not spread out in the way some clubs (i.e Arsenal/Barce) propose. Chelsea would pay an upfront fee of around 17m euros straight cash whereas with AFC/FCB they would propose a deal involving 8-10m euros then big lump sums paid regardless over the next 3 years.

Guess we know why Chelsea turned down Bastos, have a feeling this will go through along with Moutinho.

M&M would certainly make us title worthy without a shadow of a doubt, think the pair of them would put Chelsea back amongst the top 4 clubs, on paper, in Europe.

I mentioned a month or so ago that Post U-21 Champs Mata's dad was in London talking to THFC/AFC/CFC about possible moves but it seemed to go quiet. Glad Chelsea have firmed up their interest, would liven up the team and him+Torres is just an utterly devastating combination...

It's funny because I said before Valencia would wait and wait, Arsenal would take too long about a bid and the fee would go up, nobody seemed to believe me though. Now the fee is more 30 million than 20 million, so it's a win-win for all involved. Valencia get more money [and more money up-front], Chelsea get a top player, instead of him going Arsenal and Mata gets to play for one of the best team in the world. Obviously this is if the deal goes through/is true.

Don't rule out Modric; he's 'injured' and Yossi has some 'interesting' news later on in the week. If nothing happens by Friday, then I think we will sign Moutinho. And if Alex goes, then I would expect Rolando to join or an English CB. But for Rolando, Mata and Moutinho/Modric to join I think we would need to sell one more foreign player, so maybe Anelka leaves. Then seems as though De Bruyne will join and then obviously be loaned back to Genk.

Gordon has been loaned out to Peterborough for 6 months.

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Confirmation of Gordon:

POSH LOAN FOR GORDON | Latest Chelsea News | Team & Transfer News | Chelsea FC | Chelsea
Should sell him next summer imo. Nowhere near PvA or Bertrand's level and is 20 now.

And what I mean by the Modric "injury" is that if he plays against Hearts then he won't be able to play in CL group stages, I doubt he is actually injured.
 
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At least he's alive.

Looks as though Lukaku's new number will be 18! I wonder why not 14?...

Zhirkov was giving gifts and saying goodbye to Chelsea. The Russian media who were with him were taking photos and they pictured "18 Lukaku", which was a sticker in the place where Lukaku's boots were, where Zhirkov's previously were.

Google

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And apparently he's wearing 18 in training right now.

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Any Spanish speakers able to tell me what is said in this video? I can speak the basics, but don't really know what he's talking about.

The soap opera of the departure of Juan Mata of Valencia seemed to come to an end until the Chelsea has been interested in the Spaniard. Valencia would be obliged to negotiate with the player as of September 1.
I can guess what it's about pretty much from that, but what else is said?

Marca.com

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Oriol Romeu will meet his teammates tomorrow, so he could well be presented with Lukaku because I imagine that is probably what is delaying the deal. Most clubs like to present players together and there happens to be a press conference tomorrow. Hopefully next week Mata and Moutinho/Modric will be presented together.

[video=youtube;hpSgi8fNMMg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpSgi8fNMMg[/video]
 
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Any Spanish speakers able to tell me what is said in this video? I can speak the basics, but don't really know what he's talking about.


I can guess what it's about pretty much from that, but what else is said?

Marca.com


Chelsea bid €25m for Mata, 20 up front and 5 in installments, but Valencia's president rejected the offer, claiming that after the 31st of July the club is under no obligation to allow clubs to speak with the player (His release clause 'expired'). This would mean the Asturian's (Mata) transfer would have to wait until next season, but a newly signed document apparently states that a new clause comes into play on the 1st of September, lasting till the 31st of July, and it's thought to be of a significantly lower value than the 25m currently on the table. If Chelsea decides to take advantage of this clause the transfer would go through in the summer, as the player is said to be very interested in playing for Chelsea.
 
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