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I'm not sure how you can blame AVB apart from some of his bizarre subs.

Tactics: He doesn't really have a squad that can play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 effectively. Plus he's been brough in to be changing out fundamental playstyle.
Losing the dressing room: Well no ****. He's basically saying to half the team: "in a year, you're out" which is what needs to be done but he's not going to have good morale until he has his own team.
Style: He's been brought in to help us through a transition. He's been trying to do that all season, only to be hampered by what seems like a lack of confidence or desire in many of the older players. If he started the transition this summer, we'd struggle to compete for the title.
 
Push the panic button, and that is why long term Chelsea will get nowhere
 
Mike. said:
Push the panic button, and that is why long term Chelsea will get nowhere
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While I agree, surely having a manager who's out of his depth in long term would have the same effect?


Not that I think that yet, I'm just providing a counter argument.
 
Totally agree with Calum and Subtle...........the only player that looked like he wanted to be there today was Mata.......the other 10 were a disgrace to the shirt!!........i have always said that 4-2-3-1 is the formation for Chelsea.........to play 4-3-3 you have to have wingers, which we havent got, and havent had since Duff and Robben.......we must stop putting round pegs in square holes......AVB must be given time!!!
 
oja20 said:
While I agree, surely having a manager who's out of his depth in long term would have the same effect?


Not that I think that yet, I'm just providing a counter argument.
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But has he proved that yet? No, so Chelsea cannot go down that route, time for the ego players like lampard to go inthe summer, they cannot be bigger than the manager
 
Abramovich has to learn Rome was not built in a day but unfortunately he has no patience and Chelsea will be employing another manager soon.
 
Marry me Mike.

We could have such beautiful babies you and I...
 
Hated this season sofar but I still am not with the fans who want AVB gone. He picks the team etc but he cant physically make the players do better on the pitch. Also I cant wait for Drogba to come back from ACON I am starting to hate Torres his just been useless since he signed would rather see Lukaku in the line up instead of him.
 
Chelsea definitely do need some out and out wingers, imo. I'm personally more of a fan of the two-tiered midfield systems (4-2-3-1, 4-1-3-2, 4-1-2-3, etc) in English football. Right now the midfield is neither good enough to provide protection to the back, or provide creativity going forward. Piazon, de Bruyne and company are good players but I just don't see Chelsea in a CL spot next year without buying another 2-3 top players.

The left wing is absolutely atrocious, Malouda is leaving in the summer for sure and surely that has to open up a spot for a player like Hazard to come in, which is fine except that Hazard isn't much of a natural winger, limiting options to a tight 4-2-3-1 or even a fluid 4-2-2-2 if Mata is to play in his preferred central position. I would like to see some more natural width as a complement (on both sides), even if it means bringing in players like Real Sociedad's Griezmann, Gladbach's Herrmann, or Dortmund's Kuba... players who are good team players that can play on both wings. A right back (even if it means going for someone at the level of Atsuto Uchida) is a necessity, Bosingwa is almost involved in over 50% of the team's allowed goals from what I've seen.

Also, how would a player like Keisuke Honda (one of my favorite players), fit into the system? He provides dynamism in a central role, and he could work in tandem with Mata behind the strikers fairly well.
 
Chelsea must play a proper wide left player, I've touted Griezmann repeatedly, and I think it would be foolish not to sign him or any other true wide player
 
Found this somewhere else, thought I'd share.
Since beating City 2-1:

Wigan 1-1 Chelsea
Tottenham 1-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 1-1 Fulham
Chelsea 1-3 Villa
Wolves 1-2 Chelsea
Chelsea 1-0 Sunderland
Norwich 0-0 Chelsea
Swansea 1-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 3-3 Man Utd
Everton 2-0 Chelsea

We've won 2 out of the last 10
 
I thought it couldnt get any worse after last season. Cant wait for the summer tbh sick of this season.
 
oja20 said:
Found this somewhere else, thought I'd share.
Since beating City 2-1:

Wigan 1-1 Chelsea
Tottenham 1-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 1-1 Fulham
Chelsea 1-3 Villa
Wolves 1-2 Chelsea
Chelsea 1-0 Sunderland
Norwich 0-0 Chelsea
Swansea 1-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 3-3 Man Utd
Everton 2-0 Chelsea

We've won 2 out of the last 10
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also only lost 2 out of last 10 ;) but yeah that form isn't good enough
 
We all actually thought the win against City would give the team a massive boost and we would kick on for the rest of the season ha that worked out.
 
I'm not sure it's time to get out the lifeboats and abandon the ship yet, still in joint 4th place and there's plenty of young talent at the club which is something we couldn't say this time last year.

You look at the signings of young players and you can see an almost complete team: Courtois, Bertrand, Luiz, De Bruyne, McEachran, Romeu, Piazon, De Bruyne, Sturridge, Lukaku.

That's a team of exceptional young players, add in an extra 2-3 names onto that in the next 6-12 months and the future of the club looks a lot better than it has under any other manager.

AVB doesn't really have tactics half the time he relies on putting his philosophy across and coaching it into the club. As I must have said a hundred times since he came in this season was about assessing the squad and exposing the players like Malouda/Lampard/Terry to his system. I think it's obvious by the performances this season that half of that squad is not capable of that, that's something we shouldn't blame Villas-Boas for.

If Hiddink was appointed we would probably put in a respectable but mediocre 3rd placed season playing the same style of slow football and have nothing come the summer to build from.

I was disappointed with the lack of business in January like everybody else but it was hard to find a player that a) wasn't cup tied for Europe and b) at the right price. Willian was worth attempting, I'd suspect the reason that the extra money wasn't put down was partly down to his European cup-tie and Buck/Chelsea holding firm on the price.

Would not surprise me if Chelsea go back in the summer when the price will have lowered and their capacity to pay the bit more will be there.

Worrying thing for me is Cole's decline, I thought the system AVB adopts would suit him but he's had a fall from grace this season. Factor that in to Sturridge's naivety and a midfield that's creative form is dire.

There's not one factor as to why the performances for months have been awful, it's a mixture of square peg in a round hole personnel and a team with young talents being bled in.

Essien back is a big lift going forward, he should give a firm base to the midfield and hopefully he can actually give Romeu some guidance defensively.

Shopping list for the summer has to be a RB/CM/Winger at the very least, if Bertrand is given a run at LB around March I can see him replacing Cole by the summer.

Need to be more optimistic about the manager and the direction, the ships got the right captain it's just got the wrong crew at the minute.

Compare the young players I mentioned that Chelsea have to other top 4 Premier League clubs 'next generation' and I can't find many better equipped for contending for the title in 3-4 years time.
 
If I was the Chelsea Manager in the summer I would sell all of Mourinho's players (Cech,Terry,Lampard Malouda,Cole etc) so you get a fresh start.
 
There would probably be a buyer for Cech/Cole, Terry and Lampard are on extortionate wages on fairly long term deals for their age. There is not a chance Chelsea will be able to get rid of Terry/Lampard even if there were suitors, you saw with Anelka the only club willing to pay even 90% of his Chelsea salary were in China.

Drogba's contract running out is a good thing, the only problem is the ongoing talks to renegotiate him another year.

Malouda situation is very difficult, when he was in good form under Ancelotti he got a huge contract that he will not find anywhere - not even China - then you consider how comfortable he is in London. He will be extremely hard to move on, no matter how much AVB/Everyone wants him to go.

Cech would be the biggest call but if everybody's honest he's not been the same unstoppable keeper he was before the head injury. It's no doubt affected his career, he's still a good keeper but something he had before the injury has disappeared.

He'll still find a top club, Courtois is more than capable of coming in and installing himself as number 1 if Chelsea decide to decline the clause of renewal that I think Atletico will invoke in the summer. Atleti don't need him with Asenjo/Joel in the squad, they just needed a transitional stop gap from De Gea.
 
So you have given older players big wages on long contracts who no one will want to pay them if they were transfer listed?

Not a very smart move imo.
 
So Arsenal have given mediocre players relatively high wages on long contracts, which no one will want to pay if they were transfer listed?

Not a very smart move imo.
 
Subtle said:
So Arsenal have given mediocre players relatively high wages on long contracts, which no one will want to pay if they were transfer listed?

Not a very smart move imo.
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lol nice (and true:() comeback ;)
 
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