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I'm staggered by AVB saying he doesn't need the backing of the players-just the chairman. I mean....I hope he's joking. What a way to undermine your players. What a way to lose the dressing room. By saying that it's like saying "I don't value your opinion or what you think". Yes players may have too much say sometimes-but to undermine or undervalue them like that is just suicidal. Very stupid thing to say in my opinion.
 
I'm staggered by AVB saying he doesn't need the backing of the players-just the chairman. I mean....I hope he's joking. What a way to undermine your players. What a way to lose the dressing room. By saying that it's like saying "I don't value your opinion or what you think". Yes players may have too much say sometimes-but to undermine or undervalue them like that is just suicidal. Very stupid thing to say in my opinion.

When you listen to the interview, its clear he is referring to a select few. This has become apparent on the pitch. He trusts the likes of Mata far more than the old guard. Roman has a decision to make, and I'd pick AVB
 
I'm also a big fan of Carlo. Carlo had the chance, and also bottled making the hard choices. Every manager except AVB has done the same.

Great he did the double, but at no point was Carlo thinking 3 years ahead.

He wasn't thinking three years ahead because he wasn't given the chance. If Roman had come out saying his job was safe for the next few years Carlo could've easily planned ahead. He was waht, 8 years in charge of Milan? And he won pretty much everything in that period. IMO it was a bad call for both parties - AVB could've learned a lot from a second season at Porto as well.

//Edit - Before anyone misunderstands me, by everything I mean he won at least every major trophy once, not that he won every competition they played in.
 
Next season, hence point of gradual adjustment. Lampard shouldn't be starting in a Chelsea 4-2-3-1 any more than he should in an England 4-2-3-1. The experienced players that are unwilling or unable to adapt, are surplus to requirement, that his thinking and rightly so. He cannot worry about unwavering players who have maybe 18 months, when he is planning for the longer term not just for newer challenges, but a template for youth to work into. In AVB Chelsea have a manager who can build a proper legacy, and that is more important than the likes of John Terry

Personly i think Lamps can play in a 4-2-3-1 but you have to reshuffle. One thing which hasen't been talked about is Ramires's contrabution to the side especially playing on the right in a front 3. He did it away at Wolves and was our best player and done it in the last 30mins against Pompey and scored 2 from it. Lamps with Essien or Mikel this season in that 2 i think would work very well. I agree about keeping a manager for a good period of time but not if i don't believe he is the right man for the job. I think he has got this job too soon in his career, managing Chelsea is a lot harder than managing most clubs in the world especially with the players we have.
 
When you listen to the interview, its clear he is referring to a select few. This has become apparent on the pitch. He trusts the likes of Mata far more than the old guard. Roman has a decision to make, and I'd pick AVB

I remember reading an article about how AVB doesn't give instructions to Mata, but has long chats with him instead. Can't seem to find it now...

Found it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/06/juan-mata-chelsea-football-tactics

Mata is slightly different. Villas-Boas rarely shouts to him, but often calls him over for a much longer chat, as if discussing a full-blown change in manifesto rather than a modification in policy. Mata may never be the right kind of player to be Villas-Boas's captain – and this week of all weeks, you won't get many people at Chelsea wanting to discuss the subject of captaincy – but he is unquestionably the face of Villas-Boas's Chelsea.
 
He wasn't thinking three years ahead because he wasn't given the chance. If Roman had come out saying his job was safe for the next few years Carlo could've easily planned ahead. He was waht, 8 years in charge of Milan? And he won pretty much everything in that period. IMO it was a bad call for both parties - AVB could've learned a lot from a second season at Porto as well.

1) way too early to judge a manager, judging anyone after lesson than season, when he hasnt even had the change to make the changes he needs is foolhardy

2) Hindsight is a wonderful thing

3) Carlo doesnt need to be told, he should have been looking to do that moment he arrived, doesnt need to hear from Roman to get on with it. AVB has started it, right from the start and under greater pressure, Carlo bottled the chance.
 
I'm also a big fan of Carlo. Carlo had the chance, and also bottled making the hard choices. Every manager except AVB has done the same.

Great he did the double, but at no point was Carlo thinking 3 years ahead.

I don't think Carlo was given the chance and lets not forget after winning the double he got rid of Deco, Ballack, Belletti and Joe Cole so he was starting that process.
 
I remember reading an article about how AVB doesn't give instructions to Mata, but has long chats with him instead. Can't seem to find it now...

Found it. Chelsea play clever when Juan Mata is central to their plans | Michael *** | Football | guardian.co.uk

Mata is slightly different. Villas-Boas rarely shouts to him, but often calls him over for a much longer chat, as if discussing a full-blown change in manifesto rather than a modification in policy. Mata may never be the right kind of player to be Villas-Boas's captain – and this week of all weeks, you won't get many people at Chelsea wanting to discuss the subject of captaincy – but he is unquestionably the face of Villas-Boas's Chelsea.

He sees him and the likes of Romeu etc, as the new face of Chelsea, and players like Terry dont like it.
 
He sees him and the likes of Romeu etc, as the new face of Chelsea, and players like Terry dont like it.

But he has dropped Romeu in the last month or so for no real apparent reason. He was playing really well but fancies Meireles over him for some reason.
 
AVB is not perfect, but he doing what needs to be done, what needed to be done earlier. Chelsea get 4th and people will see what he is really about in the summer, the axe will fall on some very big names
 
Personly i think Lamps can play in a 4-2-3-1 but you have to reshuffle. One thing which hasen't been talked about is Ramires's contrabution to the side especially playing on the right in a front 3. He did it away at Wolves and was our best player and done it in the last 30mins against Pompey and scored 2 from it. Lamps with Essien or Mikel this season in that 2 i think would work very well. I agree about keeping a manager for a good period of time but not if i don't believe he is the right man for the job. I think he has got this job too soon in his career, managing Chelsea is a lot harder than managing most clubs in the world especially with the players we have.

You doont shuffle your entire side for one player, and Lampard is incredily average in a 4-2-3-1. He is not positionally disciplined enough to be in the 2, loves to break forwards far too often
 
But he has dropped Romeu in the last month or so for no real apparent reason. He was playing really well but fancies Meireles over him for some reason.

Maybe wrong but heard that Romeu's agent made noises about wanting to return to Barca, so AVB has dropped him. Maybe bs, I dont know credibility of the statement.
 
You doont shuffle your entire side for one player, and Lampard is incredily average in a 4-2-3-1. He is not positionally disciplined enough to be in the 2, loves to break forwards far too often

But this shuffle would also get the best out of Mata who can be played in the middle of the 3 and even with Lamps out you can play Romeu alongside Essien.
 
But he has dropped Romeu in the last month or so for no real apparent reason. He was playing really well but fancies Meireles over him for some reason.
Romeu has started 2 of the last 4 league games, and its coincided with the return of Essien
 
1) way too early to judge a manager, judging anyone after lesson than season, when he hasnt even had the change to make the changes he needs is foolhardy

So is judging someone as a top manager when he has one good season managing probably the best Porto side in a decade.

2) Hindsight is a wonderful thing

Sure is, but it doesn't make my point any less valid. It was a gamble, so far it hasn't quite worked, and honestly I don't see AVB working to change that.

3) Carlo doesnt need to be told, he should have been looking to do that moment he arrived, doesnt need to hear from Roman to get on with it. AVB has started it, right from the start and under greater pressure, Carlo bottled the chance.

But he does - when you join a club that sacks managers like there was no tomorrow, then you don't plan long term, because if you do you get the boot. It really is that simple.
 
Maybe wrong but heard that Romeu's agent made noises about wanting to return to Barca, so AVB has dropped him. Maybe bs, I dont know credibility of the statement.

He played poorly in a game think it was either the Norwich or Swansea game but if he is going to drop someone for a bad performance why has he not dropped Malouda who has had 18 bad performances!!
 
But this shuffle would also get the best out of Mata who can be played in the middle of the 3 and even with Lamps out you can play Romeu alongside Essien.

You then get a chronic lack of width, not mention, as effective as he was wide, Ramires is even better in the middle. In a 4-2-3-1 he is superior to Lampard
 
His agent words:
"Will Romeu return? His dream before leaving was to be a Barcelona player and that still stands, but we cannot ignore the opportunity Chelsea have provided," his agent Javier Magico Diaz said.



"We'll have to see if it's appropriate for the club and the player (to return to Barca).

We need to know if he'll keep developing at Chelsea and playing.


"Maybe it will be more convenient to stay for another year and then return in 2013."


He added: "Oriol has made a name for himself in the Premier League and is playing regularly.


"We're committed to the club and we cannot leave them hanging."
 
Romeu has started 2 of the last 4 league games, and its coincided with the return of Essien

Why can't he and Essien play together??? I never thought/think of Essien as a proper DM anyway.
 
You then get a chronic lack of width, not mention, as effective as he was wide, Ramires is even better in the middle. In a 4-2-3-1 he is superior to Lampard

Ramires dosen't set up any chances unlike Lampard. Personly i'd like to see both of them in the squad together.
 
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