The Chelsea Thread

[BlueHeart26]

With Bielsa, you have to totally buy into his philosophy or it simply wont work. I look at the Chelsea side and i see too many egos.

We all argue whether Roman was right to hire AVB in the first place. But once he did, his backing should have been total. He should have stepped in december and said "cross the manager and i will sell you myself". It was always always going to be tough. But players own egos made it tougher, and when you look at the kind of younger calibre he was trying to bring it, for me it was bad decision. You effectively wasted a year, a good young manager, and about £30 million in hiring and firing him.

Bielsa would work if he is given money and time to bring his new players and apply his philosophy/tactics. Once again, in order this to work, Roman must stay away from all football related things.

As I've said several times, I wasnt too carried away when we appointed him, because winning 3 cups in Portugal is not a difficult thing when you manage Porto, im taking nothing away from his contribution and hard work, but seriously.. Portugal is... Portugal. However, I was behind him till the very end, even though he managed to send us fighting for 4th. He made mistakes, no one can deny that either, I was mad at him and probably I still am, but he is a good/intelligent/young manager and he has all the time he needs to win trophies with big clubs, yet managing us so early in his unexperienced career wasnt the right decision he and Roman took, in my opinion. Im with you on that, Roman must have backed him if he had wanted that 'project' to go on. The thing is, Roman as well as many fans(incl. me) dont want to lose CL football. However, I've accepted that we're going to play in EL next season, or at least we have a huge chance to do so. There are managers out there that are capable of making that transition/refreshment without dropping out of the top4, and to be that manager you must possess a massive experience. AVB didnt have that, so probably he shouldnt have had to be appointed in the first place. And egos is something that someone like Bielsa can deal with. AS LONG AS Roman stays out of it. Anyway, Bielsa will not come, thats for sure. still think it will be Benitez, I know that we hate that guy, but Roman doesnt care obviously what we want. Emery is another potential puppet that can be controlled by Abramovich. We will see. Funny thing is, I can hardly hate Roman(for all the things he's done for us), but at times like this I do.

 

[Mike.]

Roman put the squad into their place only after he sacked AVB which was too late. One thing is for sure, this coming summer will be pivotal as to what direction our club will be taking for the next 10 years. For me the best thing Roman can do is to hire someone like Unai Emery, give him total backing this summer to mould the squad as he see's fit as well as shape our Youth Policy to give us a sustainable future. \

Its not ideal, as you mentioned their will probably be chaos if we make too many changes but if the old guard remains there any longer, then Chelsea will have no chance of progressing forward

Indeed, Roman's talk was 3 months too late. AVB wasnt perfect, but he was right about the old guard needing to come down.

 

[Alcaraz]

Indeed, Roman's talk was 3 months too late. AVB wasnt perfect, but he was right about the old guard needing to come down.

I agree with you. AVB made mistakes himself but ultimately I feel if we had stuck with him, he could have done great things. Now I am only hoping that Roman also saw sense in what AVB wants to do and Roman will work with our next manager to implement these changes himself this coming summer.

The fact is that we are most likely going to miss out on CL football next season, maybe that is what is needed for Chelsea as a club to get their act together.

 

[Alcaraz]

The main concern for me is how the players can reportedly go straight to Roman to complain about the manager. That should never be allowed as it gives the players a inflated sense of self-worth. I have never heard any Man Utd player go to the Glazers to complain about Ferguson or indeed at any other club where players can communicate with the owner so easily bypassing the manager.

 

[Mike.]

The main concern for me is how the players can reportedly go straight to Roman to complain about the manager. That should never be allowed as it gives the players a inflated sense of self-worth. I have never heard any Man Utd player go to the Glazers to complain about Ferguson or indeed at any other club where players can communicate with the owner so easily bypassing the manager.

That would end your career at United.

 

[BlueHeart26]

That would end your career at United.

At times I wish we had Glazers as owners. Seriously, its hard to believe that, but seriously.

 

[CJACKO11]

That actually goes to show your inconsistency last year, because he wasnt great.

I don't think it does, Ivanovic was quality last year as was Ramires from December onwards and we still finished 2nd in the league. Cech was the best of them without a doubt but like i said we have conceded a lot more shots this season which is new.

 

[CJACKO11]

Seriously all this Emery talk has got me confused. Basicly just call him the Spanish David Moyes working with a club who has to sell big players and can't buy because they have no money but keeping them in a respectable league position.

 

[CJACKO11]

Indeed, Roman's talk was 3 months too late. AVB wasnt perfect, but he was right about the old guard needing to come down.

The old guard can still do a job and have proved that yet again, AVB went completely the wrong way about it especially with Lampard in just fazing him out while continuing to play a very under performing Meireles. From day one all he had to say was you are all still needed in this team but when you don't play just help and guide the younger players through. But instead he tried to play the big tough guy not even acknowledging the players when he walked past them etc and players need to feel wanted. Players like Lampard, Drogba and Terry can be a massive influence on players coming through with their experience. Not all AVB's fault but from the first proper press conference when he said "everyone will get a chance to prove themselves" i didn't feel as confident.

 

[Mike.]

The old guard can still do a job and have proved that yet again, AVB went completely the wrong way about it especially with Lampard in just fazing him out while continuing to play a very under performing Meireles. From day one all he had to say was you are all still needed in this team but when you don't play just help and guide the younger players through. But instead he tried to play the big tough guy not even acknowledging the players when he walked past them etc and players need to feel wanted. Players like Lampard, Drogba and Terry can be a massive influence on players coming through with their experience. Not all AVB's fault but from the first proper press conference when he said "everyone will get a chance to prove themselves" i didn't feel as confident.

They can play a role, but they are not the be and end all, which is what they want. BIG difference between the two.

He wanted the former, they wanted the latter. Can you imaging Scholes or Giggs trying that?

From day one that is what he did say to Lampard, it was publicised. Drogba played a lot. And Terry was still key.

Mereles is inferior but tactically superior. Essien would have played had he been fit from the start.

Like i said it tells you a lot about the egos of 30 year plus professionals if they need to feel needed.

 

[CJACKO11]

They can play a role, but they are not the be and end all, which is what they want. BIG difference between the two.

He wanted the former, they wanted the latter. Can you imaging Scholes or Giggs trying that?

From day one that is what he did say to Lampard, it was publicised. Drogba played a lot. And Terry was still key.

Mereles is inferior but tactically superior. Essien would have played had he been fit from the start.

Like i said it tells you a lot about the egos of 30 year plus professionals if they need to feel needed.

But where has this criticism come from for Lampard? Everytime he was interviewed not once did he slate AVB's decision to leave him out or even slate AVB. I don't think dropping Lampard was the right decision as he was still playing a 4-3-3, if he changed to a 4-2-3-1 then yes i may have agreed with you. AVB leaves Lampard and Cole out for one game so the media believe they went moaning to Roman about it. Proof??? there will never be and i wonder why that is.

 

[Mike.]

But where has this criticism come from for Lampard? Everytime he was interviewed not once did he slate AVB's decision to leave him out or even slate AVB. I don't think dropping Lampard was the right decision as he was still playing a 4-3-3, if he changed to a 4-2-3-1 then yes i may have agreed with you. AVB leaves Lampard and Cole out for one game so the media believe they went moaning to Roman about it. Proof??? there will never be and i wonder why that is.

Your club got him to sign a non disclosure about what went on behind the scenes. You're being one eyed if you dont understand how serious that is.

 

[CJACKO11]

Your club got him to sign a non disclosure about what went on behind the scenes. You're being one eyed if you dont understand how serious that is.

How many managers are allowed to talk about what happened after they have been sacked??

 

[Mike.]

How many managers are allowed to talk about what happened after they have been sacked??

Quite a lot (and they do talk about it, Warnock recently spoke about QPR for example), they usually dont get asked to sign a legal contract preventing them from doing so.

 

[CJACKO11]

Well its something Chelsea do because no-one has spoken out after being sacked since Roman has took over so this isen't the only case. AVB made some massively huge and bad calls early on which in the end didn't help him, the sacking for me was totally justified.

 

[Jak]

Well its something Chelsea do because no-one has spoken out after being sacked since Roman has took over so this isen't the only case. AVB made some massively huge and bad calls early on which in the end didn't help him, the sacking for me was totally justified.

but have those managers signed legal documents forbidding them from talking about the problems at Chelsea? If you can't see how significant this is then you are slightly deluded. Each to their own about his sacking, personally I think its a massive step backwards

 

[CJACKO11]

but have those managers signed legal documents forbidding them from talking about the problems at Chelsea? If you can't see how significant this is then you are slightly deluded. Each to their own about his sacking, personally I think its a massive step backwards

Who knows whether they have signed legal documents, if they have then its obviously something the club likes to do. If its only AVB that signed one then yes or course something happened which they don't want you to know but i suspect the former.

 

[Subtle]

But where has this criticism come from for Lampard? Everytime he was interviewed not once did he slate AVB's decision to leave him out or even slate AVB.

“No I’m not [happy being on the bench],” the former West Ham United player admitted to Sky Sports. “It is not easy and I want to play.

“There have been certain issues. Certain players, we don't like not to play.

Plus all the silence over rumours of rifts between the two is almost as damning as coming out and saying it directly. If Frank had really supported AVB, he would have publicly said "there's no is problem with me and Andre." He didn't, yet you'll notice AVB tried numerous times to quash the rumours but he came off as looking desperate because Frank never backed him.

I don't think dropping Lampard was the right decision as he was still playing a 4-3-3

But Lampard doesn't suit the typical 4-3-3 because he's a box to box. Torres explicitly needed the furthest member of the midfield trio to be a creator and Lampard couldn't fulfil that role. His pass wasn't quick enough, his touch not steady enough etc. Frank's a fine player but he didn't suit what we needed so he was dropped.

 

[Jak]

Who knows whether they have signed legal documents, if they have then its obviously something the club likes to do. If its only AVB that signed one then yes or course something happened which they don't want you to know but i suspect the former.

I've never heard any of the other Chelsea managers being forced to sign a non-disclosure act which shows the significance of this. Whoever is the next manager in there has a monumental job on their hands and could really shape the future of Chelsea football club, for better or for worse

 

[Mike.]

Plus all the silence over rumours of rifts between the two is almost as damning as coming out and saying it directly. If Frank had really supported AVB, he would have publicly said "there's no is problem with me and Andre." He didn't, yet you'll notice AVB tried numerous times to quash the rumours but he came off as looking desperate because Frank never backed him.




But Lampard doesn't suit the typical 4-3-3 because he's a box to box. Torres explicitly needed the furthest member of the midfield trio to be a creator and Lampard couldn't fulfil that role. His pass wasn't quick enough, his touch not steady enough etc. Frank's a fine player but he didn't suit what we needed so he was dropped.

Nail on the head, Carl mate you really need to open your eyes on this.