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Chelsea fans are way too harsh on Florent! All seem to be forgetting 09/10 when he was our second best player and was tearing the **** out of teams. Has been a good player for Chelsea overall I am still a fan of him.
Seems like Hulk is definitely coming. Not really fan of the move as I am struggling to see how we are going to line-up.
One solution is to send Lukaku on loan so he gets enough game time and use Daniel Sturridge as cover for Fernando Torres and Left Wing. If physicality is needed then stick Hulk up there.
So something like this...
----------------------------------------------Torres/Sturridge------------------------------------------
----Hazard/Marin--------------------------Mata/Hazard--------------------------Hulk/Ramires-----
Opens up a lot of options as well. We can revert to a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-2-1 depending on the opposition. I suspect Ramires and Hulk will be rotated depending on the opposition. Ramires when the opposing winger is dangerous and the right flank needs to be solidified and Hulk when we want to overload the flank
Plus in a 4-3-3, Ramires to play as a CM where he did so well under AVB by drifitng to the right and together with the RW he would overload the flank with the LW streching play from the other flank. Think Sturridge will mainly be used as an impact sub where he can utilize his fantastic pace to beat defenders. The role he has been mostly playing under RDM
If I had a choice, I would still not buy Hulk. Would spend that money on a regista like Modric. Still hope we do go for Modric after the Euro's. That would be... Incredible
Plus I think we should sell Malouda. He has been atrocious and static all season long. Along with Essien. Essien has not been the same since his injury and we have Romeu who looks like he can be some player. Love Essien to bits but its time we move him on according to me
One solution is to send Lukaku on loan so he gets enough game time and use Daniel Sturridge as cover for Fernando Torres and Left Wing. If physicality is needed then stick Hulk up there.
So something like this...
----------------------------------------------Torres/Sturridge------------------------------------------
----Hazard/Marin--------------------------Mata/Hazard--------------------------Hulk/Ramires-----
Opens up a lot of options as well. We can revert to a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-2-1 depending on the opposition. I suspect Ramires and Hulk will be rotated depending on the opposition. Ramires when the opposing winger is dangerous and the right flank needs to be solidified and Hulk when we want to overload the flank
Plus in a 4-3-3, Ramires to play as a CM where he did so well under AVB by drifitng to the right and together with the RW he would overload the flank with the LW streching play from the other flank. Think Sturridge will mainly be used as an impact sub where he can utilize his fantastic pace to beat defenders. The role he has been mostly playing under RDM
If I had a choice, I would still not buy Hulk. Would spend that money on a regista like Modric. Still hope we do go for Modric after the Euro's. That would be... Incredible
Plus I think we should sell Malouda. He has been atrocious and static all season long. Along with Essien. Essien has not been the same since his injury and we have Romeu who looks like he can be some player. Love Essien to bits but its time we move him on according to me
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I was shocked when I heard Hulk AND Hazard. Did the owner of Man City buy Chelsea when I wasn't looking?!
So that's £84m just on transfer fees, not counting wages, agent fees, etc, before the window even opens. Nice to see you guys taking FFP seriously
But, honestly, that looks like it could hit you pretty hard.
Pretty sure the club knows what it is doing in regards to FFP. Roman will not risk losing the Champions League revenue by failing to comply with the FFP
Sponsorship deals with Audi and Sauber will certainly help. Not to mention the wages freed up due to the departure of Drogba, Kalou and Bosingwa along with the possible departures of Malouda, Essien and Ferrreira.
Plus plans for a new stadium which will surely increase match day revenue is still on the Board's mind. Not to mention they are still finding a sponsor for Stamford Bridge naming rights. I heard the club will also be talking to Samsung and other current existing sponsors to give us a more lucrative deal on account of us winning the Champions League.
So its not as bad as people think. We certainly have a long way to go but the club is moving in the right direction and as long as can show UEFA that, I doubt they will kick us out of the Champions League
To be fair Roman did spend 70m on 2 plays just last January so its not like this massive outlay is a shock. It has been evident that Roman has seen the dire need to overhaul the squad and he is doing that himself currently.
I cant really complain. He has brought in the most in-demand and talented youngster in Europe and is bringing in another huge player so it seems
Sponsorships will help, but wont even begin to cover this kind of spending. Stadium sponsorship is another matter and it will be much bigger than regular sponsorships. Wages freed are bonus but are they bigger than wages given to new players? If not then it's bad cos Chelsea are already spending way too much on wages. Only United have healthy wages to revenue ratio of big clubs.
New stadium wont matter at this point. Only when you move there and get to enjoy it's new matchday revenue.
Moving to new direction needs to be shown and that means you need to cut your losses. You cant say you are moving in right direction and same time show bigger losses than last season eventhough your revenue rises.
Uefa have already started enforcing their FFP. Besiktas will be slight warning to other clubs.
Most of our losses have been classified as 'exceptional'.. Things like Managerial compensation allow of which amounts to a whopping 42 million
So if you are willing to exclude these exceptional losses, then you can see that Chelsea have been steadily improving year after year. Factor in new and more lucrative existing sponsorship deals and you would find that we are cutting our losses. Factor in a new, bigger stadium with naming rights sold and thats another huge jackpot right there
The holy grail would obviously be the naming rights deal in the short-term. That is estimated to bring in 10m per year.
I expect the wages to remain stagnant this year. The departures of Anelka, Alex, Drogba, Bosingwa, Kalou as well as the possibly dpeartures of Malouda and Essien should be enough to subsidize the wages Hazard and possibly Hulk will have
Our revenue has been growing steadily as well. If we can get a new stadium + naming rights then we are on sound financial footing
I do hope you're right. It would be a shame if Hulk and Hazard were lured by Champions League football only to be told, "Nope. You cost to much. You can't play." Would be funny but a shame.
Aye, the great irony this season was that when Chelsea finally were looking to sort out their finances they would fail to qualify for the Champions League. Thankfully we saved ourselves by beating Bayern Munich lol
Of course they will be paid. Only problem currently is that Roman has already covered big losses last season ( 40m or so? correct if wrong. ) FFP rules state owner can cover upto 45m € per 2 seasons for 2011/12 and 12/13 seasons. After that 45m for 3 seasons and so on.
When they have new stadium there will be no problems. Matchday revenue likely to double at least ( +50m or so ) and stadium sponsorships to go with it.
Apparently Hazard+Hulk+Marin have cost only 2m more than the Liverpool trio of Henderson+Carroll+Downing
But of course they are inferior cos they are not English. They lack english grit
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Apparently Hazard+Hulk+Marin have cost only 2m more than the Liverpool trio of Henderson+Carroll+Downing
Hazard is nothing compared to Stewie. :$
Thats the key part though. A new 60,000 seater stadium along with stadium sponsorships and we will be on firm financial footing. Provided we can cut out the 'exceptiona' costs by which I mean Roman actually does not be trigger-happy with his managers
But a new stadium is still very far on the horizon. We have put in a bid for the site at Battersea Power stattion although according to reports our bid is too low. We still have not managed to gain ownership of the land under Stamford Bridge because the shareholders of CPO are being incredibly retarded about not selling it to Roman
So as of now, we are still on square one. But I do see some major moves towards the building of a new stadium being made next season. The club realises how much one could improve the financial situation of the club. Would be a quantam leap
Lol.. We have not even confirmed the signings of two of them. But certain parts of the media have already christened the impending Hazard-Torres-Mata-Hulk combo as the Fantastic Four.
Heard the name before 8 years ago as well....
Heard the name before 8 years ago as well....
Swiss Ramble on Chelsea's FFP Chances:
Many people ask me about CFC chances of meeting FFP targets after purchases of Hazard and (probably) Hulk, so heres a few thoughts.
1) CFC 10/11 loss (last year before FFP) was £67m, but that included exceptional items of £42m, so underlying loss was "only" £25m.
2) FFP allows some costs to be excluded (youth, depreciation, community), estimated at £18m, so CFC 10/11 loss was just £7m (in FFP terms).
3) FFP allows total losses of €45m (£36m) for first 2 years (11/12 + 12/13), if benefactor covers losses, so clubs have some leeway.
4) 11/12 CFC revenue boosted by CL win (£12m more prize money + gate receipts + sponsor bonuses), tho partly offset by player/coach bonuses.
5) CFC 11/12 PL revenue was £3m lower (6th place), but more from FA Cup win. Profit on player sales also likely to be lower than 10/11.
6) CFC 11/12 commercial revenue should have increased, not just from main Adidas & Samsung deals, but also secondary sponsors.
7) CFC 11/12 will be hit by pay-off to AVB (£12m?) and higher player amortisation, due to other purchases, e.g. Mata, Lukaku, Meireles, etc.
8) FFP allows exclusion of wages for players signed before June 2010, if break-even deficit only due to this factor, which will help CFC.
9) All in all CFC 11/12 per FFP rules still a loss, but within striking distance of FFP.
10) CFC 12/13 Hazard £32m & Hulk £38m obvs hurt FFP, but if 5 year contracts, annual impact only £12m player amortisation (£70m / 5 years).
11) CFC higher wages also a factor, but offset by departures (Anelka, Drogba, Kalou, Malouda, Boswinga, Ferreira, etc).
12) CL money up 20% in 12-15 cycle. CFC got £49m from CL last season they (& others) simply cannot afford to miss out on qualification.
13) CFC could still pull a few irons out of the fire, e.g. stadium naming rights (Gazprom Bridge, anyone?).
14) So Hazard & Hulk obviously make it more difficult for CFC to meet FFP (it was already a struggle), but may be closer than most believe.
15) Please note that this is NOT an attempt to forecast next CFC figures, but just some food for thought.
Many people ask me about CFC chances of meeting FFP targets after purchases of Hazard and (probably) Hulk, so heres a few thoughts.
1) CFC 10/11 loss (last year before FFP) was £67m, but that included exceptional items of £42m, so underlying loss was "only" £25m.
2) FFP allows some costs to be excluded (youth, depreciation, community), estimated at £18m, so CFC 10/11 loss was just £7m (in FFP terms).
3) FFP allows total losses of €45m (£36m) for first 2 years (11/12 + 12/13), if benefactor covers losses, so clubs have some leeway.
4) 11/12 CFC revenue boosted by CL win (£12m more prize money + gate receipts + sponsor bonuses), tho partly offset by player/coach bonuses.
5) CFC 11/12 PL revenue was £3m lower (6th place), but more from FA Cup win. Profit on player sales also likely to be lower than 10/11.
6) CFC 11/12 commercial revenue should have increased, not just from main Adidas & Samsung deals, but also secondary sponsors.
7) CFC 11/12 will be hit by pay-off to AVB (£12m?) and higher player amortisation, due to other purchases, e.g. Mata, Lukaku, Meireles, etc.
8) FFP allows exclusion of wages for players signed before June 2010, if break-even deficit only due to this factor, which will help CFC.
9) All in all CFC 11/12 per FFP rules still a loss, but within striking distance of FFP.
10) CFC 12/13 Hazard £32m & Hulk £38m obvs hurt FFP, but if 5 year contracts, annual impact only £12m player amortisation (£70m / 5 years).
11) CFC higher wages also a factor, but offset by departures (Anelka, Drogba, Kalou, Malouda, Boswinga, Ferreira, etc).
12) CL money up 20% in 12-15 cycle. CFC got £49m from CL last season they (& others) simply cannot afford to miss out on qualification.
13) CFC could still pull a few irons out of the fire, e.g. stadium naming rights (Gazprom Bridge, anyone?).
14) So Hazard & Hulk obviously make it more difficult for CFC to meet FFP (it was already a struggle), but may be closer than most believe.
15) Please note that this is NOT an attempt to forecast next CFC figures, but just some food for thought.