The Chelsea Thread

[Alcaraz]

Didnt back him that heavily. or he would have had the player meeting before sacking him. Seems a good way to undermine him if you want to get rid. Remember how AVB said certain things were not true, but he couldnt say because he was forced to sign a non disclosure? Makes you wonder.

The Alex/Anelka situation happened at a time when AVB was doing reasonably well so there is no reason for the club to use that situation as a ploy to undermine him to make it easier to let him go

Roman did back AVB heavily mate. Went against the wishes of the board and paid a lot of money to get him from Porto. Worked solely with him on transfers. Was more patient with AVB than he was with any of the previous managers

 

[TheRealMourinho]

Ryan Bertrand: Of English players to attempt 20+ crosses from open play this season or last, Bertrand has the best cross accuracy (36%)

 

[Alcaraz]

Does anyone know if there are contract renewal talks ongoing with Lampard?

He is in the last year of his contract and I have heard nothing so far to suggest he is extending his deal...

 

[ChrisBird]

Does anyone know if there are contract renewal talks ongoing with Lampard?

He is in the last year of his contract and I have heard nothing so far to suggest he is extending his deal...

Lamps said in a press conference that contract negotiations are underway.

 

[Athe~]

A type of small sponge cake about the size of a regular biscuit with a layer of orange jelly and a topping of chocolate. Greatest food in the world.

Sounds nice, looks nice and probably tastes nice. I guess I'll have to try them sometime...

 

[Mike.]

Well, this was too tempting to stay out of, so here it goes.The ethical thing for Malouda to do would've been leaving the club. I think (or I'd like to think) I would've done that if I were in his shoes. I have values which are worth a lot more to me than money. But that doesn't mean everyone lives by the same rules - and they don't have to. Chelsea, on the other hand, are being disrespectful to a player that served them well for a time, even if he's not the player he used to be.That said, the fact is Malouda and Chelsea Football Club signed a contract binding him to the club until 2013 for a certain amount of money. The club wanted to move him on, he didn't want to go because noone would pay him as much, and in the end, instead of a final pay-day in some sandy shithole he's getting it in London playing for Chelsea reserves. It doesn't look pretty, but at the end of the day, both sides are fulfilling their obligations, even if they could've (and probably should've) handled the situation better.

But you havent answered the big question here. Why is it the ethical thing to do? How do you know his values are only money. After all a considerable amount of his money goes to his charity. Lower wages = lower donations.

 

[Athe~]

But you havent answered the big question here. Why is it the ethical thing to do? How do you know his values are only money. After all a considerable amount of his money goes to his charity. Lower wages = lower donations.

Lower wages mean lower donations only if he decides it means lower donations. It's not like he's going to starve to death because he's giving a larger chunk of his wages to charity. Are you seriously going to argue that he's been a moneygrabber "out of the goodness of his heart"?

 

[Mike.]

Lower wages mean lower donations only if he decides it means lower donations. It's not like he's going to starve to death because he's giving a larger chunk of his wages to charity. Are you seriously going to argue that he's been a moneygrabber "out of the goodness of his heart"?

Again how you do know he is being a money grabber? That is the point. you and steve are damning with a certainty that you simply cannot be sure of. You are judging him by your own interpretations of what a footballer should be and do.

 

[Athe~]

Again how you do know he is being a money grabber? That is the point. you and steve are damning with a certainty that you simply cannot be sure of. You are judging him by your own interpretations of what a footballer should be and do.

Actually, no, I did say not everyone has to live by the same values, and that he's legally entitled to what he's doing. But he's doing a Bogarde and we all know he's not doing it for the poor and homeless in Haiti. You'd have to be extremely naïve to think that.

 

[Mike.]

Actually, no, I did say not everyone has to live by the same values, and that he's legally entitled to what he's doing. But he's doing a Bogarde and we all know he's not doing it for the poor and homeless in Haiti. You'd have to be extremely naïve to think that.

How is he doing a Bogarde? He did nothing for basically his entire Chelsea career. No we dont know he's doing anything, that is the point. Malouda has been a key member for about 5 years. You cant even compare the two.

 

[Athe~]

How is he doing a Bogarde? He did nothing for basically his entire Chelsea career. No we dont know he's doing anything, that is the point. Malouda has been a key member for about 5 years. You cant even compare the two.

Well, you may not like the comparison but he's been told he would no longer feature and he "Bogarded" his way to the u-21s...

 

[Mike.]

Well, you may not like the comparison but he's been told he would no longer feature and he "Bogarded" his way to the u-21s...

He didn't Bogarde his way, club dropped him to under 21s in order to force him out, again, the comparison is flawed.

 

[Athe~]

He didn't Bogarde his way, club dropped him to under 21s in order to force him out, again, the comparison is flawed.

How is it flawed when that is the exact same thing they did to Bogarde? =/

 

[Mike.]

How is it flawed when that is the exact same thing they did to Bogarde? =/

Bogarde wasn't wanted 6 weeks into his 3 year contract. he actually made it perfectly clear he wanted his pay for three years during his prime, with no intention of doing anything else. Which is fair, he was entitled to it.

Malouda on the other hand has played in and out and won almost everything there is to win with Chelsea, and wants to see out his final year, since he is 32, thus near the end.

Bogarde was happy to do nothing. Malouda still wants to fight for his place, bearing in mind he is still playing for France. he may well yet move in January. Should be noted that he is still named in the 25 man domestic squad, just not the CL squad.

 

[CJACKO11]

Ryan Bertrand: Of English players to attempt 20+ crosses from open play this season or last, Bertrand has the best cross accuracy (36%)

I have always said i thought his crossing ability was better than Coles.

How is it flawed when that is the exact same thing they did to Bogarde? =/

It is kinda the same thing but Bogarde's was worse because he never actually tried at all and even moved back to Holland getting a flight to training most days!

 

[ajt09]

Still a good player imo. Yeah he's had streaky periods but who doesn't have them? The best of the best have them too. Also add squad depth to the Chels which is vital these days with all the competitions clubs are involved in

 

[Mike.]

I have always said i thought his crossing ability was better than Coles.



It is kinda the same thing but Bogarde's was worse because he never actually tried at all and even moved back to Holland getting a flight to training most days!

Maoulda is still in the 25 man home squad, so they havent given up on him yet, which makes putting him with the youth very short sighted though

 

[Athe~]

Bogarde wasn't wanted 6 weeks into his 3 year contract. he actually made it perfectly clear he wanted his pay for three years during his prime, with no intention of doing anything else. Which is fair, he was entitled to it.

Malouda on the other hand has played in and out and won almost everything there is to win with Chelsea, and wants to see out his final year, since he is 32, thus near the end.

Bogarde was happy to do nothing. Malouda still wants to fight for his place, bearing in mind he is still playing for France. he may well yet move in January. Should be noted that he is still named in the 25 man domestic squad, just not the CL squad.

I didn't criticise Malouda's previous performances, nor did I deny that he was a good player in the past, but he was told he wasn't wanted and he didn't leave the club because noone would pay him as much, and as a result he was demoted to the u-21s as a way to force him out. I believe the situation at this point is pretty similar.

It is kinda the same thing but Bogarde's was worse because he never actually tried at all and even moved back to Holland getting a flight to training most days!

Indeed, and I must say that I found it very funny back in the day. Well, I still do .

 

[CJACKO11]

I didn't criticise Malouda's previous performances, nor did I deny that he was a good player in the past, but he was told he wasn't wanted and he didn't leave the club because noone would pay him as much, and as a result he was demoted to the u-21s as a way to force him out. I believe the situation at this point is pretty similar.



Indeed, and I must say that I found it very funny back in the day. Well, I still do .

The funny thing about it is a year ago or so he was declared bankrupt!

 

[Joel`]

Well comparing accountants to footballers is wrong.
For the point is, footballers are role models. Kids look at footballers and their reactions and attitude influence them. That has become more evident over the past few years and it is more important to be a good role model.

If you have kids would you encourage thm to follow monetary gain or follow their dreams? That is another spin on it. Do what your passionate about, if your not passionate for it, go and find something else that drives and inspires you

Has he really? I seem to recall him rejecting other offers a few years ago purely because Chelsea offered him a bumper contract?

I dont disagree with him staying at chelsea, if it was that financially profitable i doubt many would act that differently. My cause for concern is that society and footballers as a whole seem to think more about their wallets nowadays than actually doing what there passionate about.

Why is the comparison wrong? You can't FORCE someone to lose their talent if they're not passionate about football. IIRC Assou-Ekotto said that he doesn't like football, he's just good at it and wants to get paid. Just like myself and plenty of other people at uni are studying Physics because we can do it, and in terms of opportunities for high paying jobs afterwards it is one of the best, and after coming from nothing, we'd like to better ourselves for the future. We like the subject, but very few of us have the passion to actually pursue a career as a Physicist afterwards. Are we part of the problem with society too?