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Probably best if your coming out with nonsense defending him no matter what happens. I don't blame him for everything but you blame him for nothing. Its everyone else's fault even the fans before him, shocking!

Well done, you clearly have read nothing of what I posted.

Ridiculous.
 
You say this but things like booing torres, chanting RDM's name on whichever minute, all the anti rafa placards and there has been chants you can hear them on TV. Maybe its not as bad as made out but what you have to consider into the argument is the actual media coverage chelsea are a worldwide club. You get one picture of an Rafa out placard it ends up in ten newspapers then the following day another 20 etc. Then lets say a game live on tv sky's microphone near home fans you can hear one anti rafa chant for even twenty seconds thats millions of people who have heard it. I get what you are saying about the misrepresentation of the chelsea fans but surely you can see from the wider picture how there is a negative atmosphere around the club?

When isn't the atmosphere negative towards Chelsea as a football club? Its one of the things we have used to our advantage over the years this us vs the world thing. 2-0 up at home vs Southampton at half time and we threw it away, was that down to the negative atmosphere? Or was it down to the players playing poorly and the manager not realising it something needed to change quicker?
 
Well done, you clearly have read nothing of what I posted.

Ridiculous.

Course i have, the only thing you said he may be guilty of is his timing of subs which apparently aren't that big a deal.
 
Course i have, the only thing you said he may be guilty of is his timing of subs which apparently aren't that big a deal.

Considering all the issues at the club, no its really not. The major issues are all ones that can only be solved by transfers. It would be the same for any manager, though if it was Di Matteo, i'd be calling him an idiot for putting himself in such a position by letting Essien go out on loan, although I would withdraw that if he didnt have control over the loan:

Lack of width

Lack of a deep passer

Lack of a linking forward

Lack of overall depth

This has a MAJOR impact, Chelsea have NO variation. If you stop them, you generally stop them dead. You have no real variation on the bench, so once you are stopped, you cant really change it. You have no depth, so to keep the side fresh the manager has to rotate even if its to the detriment of the club. God help Chelsea if you get a proper injury crisis.

Which is why I cannot fathom the lack of any signings.
 
Considering all the issues at the club, no its really not. The major issues are all ones that can only be solved by transfers. It would be the same for any manager, though if it was Di Matteo, i'd be calling him an idiot for putting himself in such a position by letting Essien go out on loan, although I would withdraw that if he didnt have control over the loan:

Lack of width

Lack of a deep passer

Lack of a linking forward

Lack of overall depth

This has a MAJOR impact, Chelsea have NO variation. If you stop them, you generally stop them dead. You have no real variation on the bench, so once you are stopped, you cant really change it. You have no depth, so to keep the side fresh the manager has to rotate even if its to the detriment of the club. God help Chelsea if you get a proper injury crisis.

Which is why I cannot fathom the lack of any signings.

I agree we don't have the correct players to play this way. But two things as i keep bringing up, we played better with it under Di Matteo that cannot even be argued and why play it if its not working under him? Try something different, you never know it might shock you and might actually work.
 
When isn't the atmosphere negative towards Chelsea as a football club? Its one of the things we have used to our advantage over the years this us vs the world thing. 2-0 up at home vs Southampton at half time and we threw it away, was that down to the negative atmosphere? Or was it down to the players playing poorly and the manager not realising it something needed to change quicker?
It's probably a collection of both to be honest. Southampton pull one back so player get edgy because they want to take some heat of the manager but they concede another it's not unhear of in football and it's not like Chelsea are robust defensively so you can see why they may get anxious. But I'm not defending rafa tactically because yes he has got it wrong. But surely you must be able to see how the negativity from your own fans is having an effect?
 
It's probably a collection of both to be honest. Southampton pull one back so player get edgy because they want to take some heat of the manager but they concede another it's not unhear of in football and it's not like Chelsea are robust defensively so you can see why they may get anxious. But I'm not defending rafa tactically because yes he has got it wrong. But surely you must be able to see how the negativity from your own fans is having an effect?

I would have agreed if the anti rafa chants were vocal at home but they aren't. As i said the bridge has no atmosphere at all and i went to QPR at home and then Southampton away which were 3 days apart and the anti rafa chants/di matteo chants wearn't even sung at home compared to away. Swansea in the cup we only started booing when Torres came off which was with 10mins left when the damage was done but booing only normally happens after the final whistle. The chants to rafa are nothing compared to the chants to Kean, plus Blackburn had a **** team lol
 
Rafa to Chelsea was match made in ****. It's simple, as long as he wins fans will keep quiet without giving him any credit and when he loses everyone will call for his head. I'm sure he knew what was coming when he took the job and I was surprised when Roman appointed him after the history he had with Chelsea.

He is a good manager but at wrong club. I'm 110% sure same thing would have happened had Rafa was appointed as ManUtd manager.

Chelsea's form is very erratic, scoring for fun away from home but struggling at Bridge. This is very tricky topic as being Manager he deserves criticism for the team's performance but he had absolutely 0 transfers of his own and hardly any time for team to play his way.
 
I agree we don't have the correct players to play this way. But two things as i keep bringing up, we played better with it under Di Matteo that cannot even be argued and why play it if its not working under him? Try something different, you never know it might shock you and might actually work.

It stopped work for the 5-6 games which lead to his firing, and hasnt worked since, because as a side you are largely one dimension, though Rafa and the players have done well at times. That's what you havent realised, you initially played better under Di matteo, teams worked you out quite quickly, it didnt work for 5-6 games for Di matteo and he got sacked, and every team that has got something from you has played roughly the same way, and Chelsea dont have the answer for it, and you don't have anything different to offer, except maybe a 4-3-3 when Mikel returns.

I'd be saying this of any manager right now, Rafa or not. Whoever has it is in a terrible position relatively, without signings.
 
Rafa to Chelsea was match made in ****. It's simple, as long as he wins fans will keep quiet without giving him any credit and when he loses everyone will call for his head. I'm sure he knew what was coming when he took the job and I was surprised when Roman appointed him after the history he had with Chelsea.

He is a good manager but at wrong club. I'm 110% sure same thing would have happened had Rafa was appointed as ManUtd manager.

Chelsea's form is very erratic, scoring for fun away from home but struggling at Bridge. This is very tricky topic as being Manager he deserves criticism for the team's performance but he had absolutely 0 transfers of his own and hardly any time for team to play his way.

I give him credit where its due mate, Everton away we were being bossed for the first 15-20 minutes literally couldn't get a kick. He changed to a 4-3-3 and it worked, so if that worked why not try it again?
 
It stopped work for the 5-6 games which lead to his firing, and hasnt worked since, because as a side you are largely one dimension, though Rafa and the players have done well at times. That's what you havent realised, you initially played better under Di matteo, teams worked you out quite quickly, it didnt work for 5-6 games for Di matteo and he got sacked, and every team that has got something from you has played roughly the same way, and Chelsea dont have the answer for it, and you don't have anything different to offer, except maybe a 4-3-3 when Mikel returns.

I'd be saying this of any manager right now, Rafa or not. Whoever has it is in a terrible position relatively, without signings.

But the performances under Robbie were not this poor. We went on a poor run under him before his sacking yes but all games were tough games and we stayed competitive in them games
 
It stopped work for the 5-6 games which lead to his firing, and hasnt worked since, because as a side you are largely one dimension, though Rafa and the players have done well at times. That's what you havent realised, you initially played better under Di matteo, teams worked you out quite quickly, it didnt work for 5-6 games for Di matteo and he got sacked, and every team that has got something from you has played roughly the same way, and Chelsea dont have the answer for it, and you don't have anything different to offer, except maybe a 4-3-3 when Mikel returns.

I'd be saying this of any manager right now, Rafa or not. Whoever has it is in a terrible position relatively, without signings.

I'd just give up Mike.
 
Eh, Chelsea started well because its way of playing was relatively unknown due to formation switch and few big transfers. But the league doesn't exist in a vacuum, teams keep track of recent developments and adapt quickly, you're simply figured out by now.

And there aren't any good options to change things around. Your way of playing is so one-dimensional, by now even people here have a rough idea of what works vs. Chelsea, which means every self-respecting manager had it all figured out by November. Which, strangely enough, is just about when things went downwards.

This isn't 1958 where video recordings barely exist and you have to play Brazil without even knowing how this guy Pele looks.
 
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You've been here before, with AVB. Fired him.

I disagree. AVB had a team full of superstars such as Falcao and Hulk and had the best resources out of anyone in the league whereas the situation was completely different for Pochettino when he was managing Espanoyol in La Liga.

Anyways I don't know whether Pochettino has done enough to warrant an opportunity to manage a top team like Chelsea but in my opinion, he is definitely someone worth a punt on.
 
Rafa to Chelsea was match made in ****. It's simple, as long as he wins fans will keep quiet without giving him any credit and when he loses everyone will call for his head. I'm sure he knew what was coming when he took the job and I was surprised when Roman appointed him after the history he had with Chelsea.

He is a good manager but at wrong club. I'm 110% sure same thing would have happened had Rafa was appointed as ManUtd manager.

Chelsea's form is very erratic, scoring for fun away from home but struggling at Bridge. This is very tricky topic as being Manager he deserves criticism for the team's performance but he had absolutely 0 transfers of his own and hardly any time for team to play his way.


Its what usually happens when a manager takes over a team mid-season. Plus he is not being backed in the transfer market which more or less confirms that Roman does not want him in the hot seat after this season. The least the fans can do is get behind him so we finish Top 4.

I wonder which high-profile manager will Roman go after now? Klopp? If he has any sense, he should not waste his time on Klopp but try and spend the next 6 months convincing someone like Moyes.
 
I disagree. AVB had a team full of superstars such as Falcao and Hulk and had the best resources out of anyone in the league whereas the situation was completely different for Pochettino when he was managing Espanoyol in La Liga.

Anyways I don't know whether Pochettino has done enough to warrant an opportunity to manage a top team like Chelsea but in my opinion, he is definitely someone worth a punt on.
AVB was also worth a punt on. You fired him. Doing pretty well with spurs though.
 
AVB was also worth a punt on. You fired him. Doing pretty well with spurs though.

I think AVB was more than someone worth a punt on when we hired him. He was widely regarded as the best young manager in the game whereas it will be a bit of a shock if we hired someone like Pochettino.
 
AVB was also worth a punt on. You fired him. Doing pretty well with spurs though.

I said all along with AVB right man wrong time. If he was appointed this season with the players we signed and possibly his input in a DLP i.e Moutinho then it could have been different.
 
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