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Before throwing away loose comment like "future world player of the year" remember Messi is just 25 years old and will be 26 in july. Same was just about Thiago and number of young players.
 
Hmm okay perhaps I exaggerated a bit but no doubt Hazard has world-class potential
 
Hazard is already great, what exactly could he improve? Propably beef up a bit and gain some composure.

Maybe its just me but wingers always seem to peak at relatively young age. Before someone screams CR7, if I had half of Cristiano's work ethic I would be world class swordsman, marksman, baker, painter, chess grandmaster and expert gynocologist, so lets not pretend he is even a human being.
 
Tyton said:
Hazard is already great, what exactly could he improve? Propably beef up a bit and gain some composure.

Maybe its just me but wingers always seem to peak at relatively young age. Before someone screams CR7, if I had half of Cristiano's work ethic I would be world class swordsman, marksman, baker, painter, chess grandmaster and expert gynocologist, so lets not pretend he is even a human being.
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More clinical? Just like Ronaldo and Messi who scores for fun. He is already an excellent player but he can improve his goal scoring record and consistency for sure.
 
You'd think Mourinho worship would calm down a bit around these parts after guy came to an already top team and
blew up nearly 200m on transfers only to get bombed out of champions league by a team that was build for 10% of that.
 
Or you might remember the fact that be has win consecutive premiere league titles. 2 champions league titles with unfancied teams. League titles in 4 different countries. The fact that he toppled what was widely regarded as the best team ever in Barcelona. Only a fool would not want Mourinho managing their club. He is a winner and wherever he goes, success follows
 
Alcaraz said:
Or you might remember the fact that be has win consecutive premiere league titles. 2 champions league titles with unfancied teams. League titles in 4 different countries. The fact that he toppled what was widely regarded as the best team ever in Barcelona. Only a fool would not want Mourinho managing their club. He is a winner and wherever he goes, success follows
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I'm not denying his record, that would be retarded. I just get tired at the idea that guy basically ***** genius. 4 games they had vs. Dortmund and 4 times he gets outsmarted by Klopp. And that after barely making it past United.

Makes you wonder how much else of his success in the past was really just good timing and shitload of money.
 
If your going to try and discredit his past record on the basis of 6 matches against frankly the best teams in Europe, that is stupid. So what if he got outsmarted by Klopp? Every manager has their bogey team. Remember how Wenger used to get his *** kicked by Big Sam? Are you going to say Wenger is not a good manager on the basis of that? Plus their is is no shame in losing to Klopp. He is one of the best managers in the world after all
 
Tyton said:
You'd think Mourinho worship would calm down a bit around these parts after guy came to an already top team and
blew up nearly 200m on transfers only to get bombed out of champions league by a team that was build for 10% of that.
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Switch Mourinho's name with Pellegrini and that would still make sense.
 
Alcaraz said:
If your going to try and discredit his past record on the basis of 6 matches against frankly the best teams in Europe, that is stupid. So what if he got outsmarted by Klopp? Every manager has their bogey team. Remember how Wenger used to get his *** kicked by Big Sam? Are you going to say Wenger is not a good manager on the basis of that? Plus their is is no shame in losing to Klopp. He is one of the best managers in the world after all
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3 years ago people in Bernabeu could buy this entire best team in Europe by gathering coin into a hat.

And where did I say he's not a good manager? He's one of the all-time greats, but his biggest achievement is , apparently, having an army of zealot worshipers convinced he can do no wrong.

He majorly ***** up the first leg by having a brilliant idea to play Mesut "i never track back" Ozil out of position, on the wing vs. Reus.

Reus roams freely all over the pitch overloading Alonso so hard Madrid can barely keep possession even in their own half, but the idea of Jose messing up doesn't even hit the mainstrem media. Its ridicolous.

I'm genuinely dissapointed with the guy right now. After the draws I figured , if someone is able to figure out a way to counter this new german style, its gotta be Jose. He's the best anti-team manager of our time, and has had two games head start.

Guess not.
 
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Switch Mourinho's name with Pellegrini and that would still make sense.
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Well, Pellegrini never actually got a real chance in Madrid. People joke about Roman making rash decisions, but he has nothing on Madrid, this is the club that fired Del Bosque for...having unfashionable moustache?
 
Tyton said:
You'd think Mourinho worship would calm down a bit around these parts after guy came to an already top team and
blew up nearly 200m on transfers only to get bombed out of champions league by a team that was build for 10% of that.
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Why should it calm down? Fergie has been out smarted by various manager on a constant basis in the past but is he hounded for it? Fergie got beat by Barca in the CL final so prepared even more for the next one against them and still got beaten, it happens.

Tyton said:
I'm not denying his record, that would be retarded. I just get tired at the idea that guy basically ***** genius. 4 games they had vs. Dortmund and 4 times he gets outsmarted by Klopp. And that after barely making it past United.

Makes you wonder how much else of his success in the past was really just good timing and shitload of money.
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Could money have helped? Course it could have but you can spend all the money you like it doesn't guarantee results and Real is the perfect example of that. As is QPR and even certain other managers at Chelsea who have not succeeded. Money will only help if you build everything i.e good squad, training methods, relationships etc etc. Chelsea under Jose was as united as they ever have been and that has nothing to do with money.

Tyton said:
3 years ago people in Bernabeu could buy this entire best team in Europe by gathering coin into a hat.

And where did I say he's not a good manager? He's one of the all-time greats, but his biggest achievement is , apparently, having an army of zealot worshipers convinced he can do no wrong.

He majorly ***** up the first leg by having a brilliant idea to play Mesut "i never track back" Ozil out of position, on the wing vs. Reus.

Reus roams freely all over the pitch overloading Alonso so hard Madrid can barely keep possession even in their own half, but the idea of Jose messing up doesn't even hit the mainstrem media. Its ridicolous.

I'm genuinely dissapointed with the guy right now. After the draws I figured , if someone is able to figure out a way to counter this new german style, its gotta be Jose. He's the best anti-team manager of our time, and has had two games head start.

Guess not.
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Difference is this game play probably would have entailed sitting deep and letting Dortmund have possession and then hit them on the counter attack. But as we all know Madrid fans are a demanding bunch, to them Madrid have to play a certain way and he has been under pressure in the past because of this hasn't he? They would rather win 8 games 7-0 and lose 2 1-0 where as Jose would rather win 10 games 1-0.
 
Mourinho back to chelsea is probably the smatest move roman could make. The fans would be appeased the dressing room united and you know he is going to buy the midfielder they need. He will also get that little bit extra out of the players too. If he goes back title is definitely a 3 horse race next season and if I was a fan of either manchester club id be worried if this move happens because if he makes this chelsea team finally click with the attacking talent they already have they could be unstoppable. You got to figure he'd be excited by lukaku too that is his kind of striker. But i suppose the question id like to know the answer to is can he fix torres.
 
Tyton said:
Well, Pellegrini never actually got a real chance in Madrid. People joke about Roman making rash decisions, but he has nothing on Madrid, this is the club that fired Del Bosque for...having unfashionable moustache?
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Del Bosque created one of the most successful (if not the most successful) teams in Madrid's history and was promptly fired because he was unfashionable and didnt agree with the Galacticos idea.
 
Torres is never going to be back to his former self so might as well stop even harbouring the faintest hope. At the moment, he is a decently average striker who is on wages that far outweigh his ability. Hopefully if we can somehow get rid of him and Lampard, it will lessen the burden on our wage bill massively allowing us to make the moves we need to get this club back as genuine title contenders
 
The only thing i worry about with Jose possibly coming back is that he seems like he iniciating the move himself, it seems he is desperate to come back and he may do so in any circumstance and that would be wrong. Roman wouldn't need to change anything so would keep Emenalo/Gourlay etc and still dump Lampard and JT and because Jose is so desperate for a return he may just let these decisions go on over his head AGAIN.
 
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