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Mike, calm down and read what I post.

I'm not even mentioning the abuse problems, all I'm trying to say is: Yossi is not good enough to be on that pitch representing us.

And my point is he is doing exactly what is demanded of him right now: be an extra body in the squad to cover you in the last few minutes of games against tiredness.
 
We ain't exactly relegation threatened. We've hit 40 points, after all. It's improbable we'd go down now.

On the other hand, if you want to make the argument that Villa are in good form and have had a bit of a habit recently of coming up with surprising results against Chelsea, I think it'd be fair.

Fair. Forgot about Wigan yesterday.
 
Looks completely in control to be honest, the remaining fixtures don't look so bad. Villa should be relatively safe and then Everton might as well be on vacation. Plus you've been playing quite well this last month. I don't even remember last time when watching Chelsea hasn't been a chore.
 
Yossi does care about the club. In fact I'm gonna stick up for him here, being professional while being subject to anti-semitic abuse from chelsea fans, and not for the first time.

Chelsea fan not fans.

Not really the point, certainly not a reason to justify the abuse he gets.

He's an extra body for a small squad, thats basically his status

A player who earns more than Juan Mata! A player who couldn't get a game at West Ham earlier in the season! I am not blaining Rafa for him being here because we could have/should have re-called someone else instead but i am blaming Rafa for using him so often especially when you have someone like Lampard on the bench.
 
Before the game I would have taken a point for sure but when it happens like that it feels like a defeat. We had 2-3 guilt edge chances when 2-1 up to wrap the game up and we didn't and at that point I said to my brother that this would come back to bite us. Torres worked well I thought up until the 70 minute mark when he was exhausted and kept being tackled so easily handing back possession to Spurs. Luiz again played well in parts but handed possession back to them far to easily. Ramires another one especially late on kept handing back possession to them by picking the wrong ball. As for the substitute I wonder what all the Rafa backers in recent days thought of it and whether he still deserves credit or the job fulltime? In need of a goal, midfield starting to get over run so he brings on Yossi!!!! I mean seriously come on no one can defend this change no one! His decision making is far to slow and he doesn't recognize the players that need to go off. Because of them reasons alone they prove he is an average manager at best! The pressure is on us now to pick up 3 points from our remaining two games, two games which in the recent past we have not found too easy.
 
Oliver Holt ‏@OllieHolt22 Rooney's representatives been talking to Bayern for some time. Chelsea have only just made their interest known.

lols

There has definitely been contact between Chelsea and Man Utd as i have been told tonight. I have also been told that the club have re-opened negotiations with Lampard. You know who wants both Lampard and Rooney next season allegedly.
 
Chelsea fan not fans.



A player who earns more than Juan Mata! A player who couldn't get a game at West Ham earlier in the season! I am not blaining Rafa for him being here because we could have/should have re-called someone else instead but i am blaming Rafa for using him so often especially when you have someone like Lampard on the bench.

Fans Carl, its sadly happen more than one, both in the stadium on on his twitter.

He was injured at west ham, thats why he is back( he wouldn't have been recalled otherwise)

Bringing on Lampard would have moved Ramires out wide, and he was causing havoc through the middle. Ideally you'd have actual reinforcements!

That said, it had little impact ether way
 
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A player who earns more than Juan Mata! A player who couldn't get a game at West Ham earlier in the season! I am not blaining Rafa for him being here because we could have/should have re-called someone else instead but i am blaming Rafa for using him so often especially when you have someone like Lampard on the bench.

How much he's paid shouldn't be anyone's fault apart from the club's for paying him that much.

Before the game I would have taken a point for sure but when it happens like that it feels like a defeat. We had 2-3 guilt edge chances when 2-1 up to wrap the game up and we didn't and at that point I said to my brother that this would come back to bite us. Torres worked well I thought up until the 70 minute mark when he was exhausted and kept being tackled so easily handing back possession to Spurs. Luiz again played well in parts but handed possession back to them far to easily. Ramires another one especially late on kept handing back possession to them by picking the wrong ball. As for the substitute I wonder what all the Rafa backers in recent days thought of it and whether he still deserves credit or the job fulltime? In need of a goal, midfield starting to get over run so he brings on Yossi!!!! I mean seriously come on no one can defend this change no one! His decision making is far to slow and he doesn't recognize the players that need to go off. Because of them reasons alone they prove he is an average manager at best! The pressure is on us now to pick up 3 points from our remaining two games, two games which in the recent past we have not found too easy.

Chelsea go through a fantastic run of form, get themselves into a European cup final - thanks in no small part to their manager's excellent use of meagre resources - and look to be favourites to secure third and automatic Champions League qualifications. And, of course, the Chelsea fans complain.

I find there to be something of an irony that Benitez is being derided as an average manager despite having won the CL, since I think that's more or less what the entire rest of the world thinks of Roberto Di Matteo, not Benitez.
 
West Ham earlier in the season! I am not blaining Rafa for him being here because we could have/should have re-called someone else instead but i am blaming Rafa for using him so often especially when you have someone like Lampard on the bench.

Jesus Christ man, out of all the games in the world, playing grandpa Lampard in pivot vs. Spurs is last thing you want. Might just as well bend over and allow Bale to cut inside from the wing 24/7 and make one impossible powershot after another. Rafas squad selection was spot-on, he picked two most mobile CMs to help shut down the biggest threat.

As for Yossi - for a 100 time, who else is on the bench and isn't ****?
 
Jesus Christ man, out of all the games in the world, playing grandpa Lampard in pivot vs. Spurs is last thing you want. Might just as well bend over and allow Bale to cut inside from the wing 24/7 and make one impossible powershot after another. Rafas squad selection was spot-on, he picked two most mobile CMs to help shut down the biggest threat.

As for Yossi - for a 100 time, who else is on the bench and isn't ****?

Given the way Spurs got the second goal, and the way they were going through the midfield in the last 10 minutes, Lampard would not have been a good option.
 
Fans Carl, its sadly happen more than one, both in the stadium on on his twitter.

He was injured at west ham, thats why he is back( he wouldn't have been recalled otherwise)

Bringing on Lampard would have moved Ramires out wide, and he was causing havoc through the middle. Ideally you'd have actual reinforcements!

That said, it had little impact ether way

People who do it on Twitter are not "fans" in my opinion.

You bring Lampard on for Oscar instead of Yossi and go to a 3 man midfield which is where Spurs were over running us. He also needed to bring Torres off you could see that, Ba holds the ball up far better than Torres.

How much he's paid shouldn't be anyone's fault apart from the club's for paying him that much.

Chelsea go through a fantastic run of form, get themselves into a European cup final - thanks in no small part to their manager's excellent use of meagre resources - and look to be favourites to secure third and automatic Champions League qualifications. And, of course, the Chelsea fans complain.

I find there to be something of an irony that Benitez is being derided as an average manager despite having won the CL, since I think that's more or less what the entire rest of the world thinks of Roberto Di Matteo, not Benitez.

Oh i am not slating Yossi for how much he earns as it is the clubs fault for sure, just find it staggering the amount he is on. I would agree with you if he actually did use the squad well. I am fully sympathetic towards him in terms of how small the squad is but he does not help himself and constantly contradicts himself with this so called rotation because of fitness policy. Playing Torres on the Thursday (as he has no choice) and then again for 90 minutes on a Sunday knowing for well he has to play again on Thusday is not managing the squad well is it? Making subs so late in games that there is no resting time for players and not even using the full allotted subs he can is not managing the squad well is it? One massive difference between Di Matteo and Rafa is that Di Matteo was still learning his trade, Rafa is stuck in his own ways and will never change that no matter how much he fails with it.
 
Jesus Christ man, out of all the games in the world, playing grandpa Lampard in pivot vs. Spurs is last thing you want. Might just as well bend over and allow Bale to cut inside from the wing 24/7 and make one impossible powershot after another. Rafas squad selection was spot-on, he picked two most mobile CMs to help shut down the biggest threat.

As for Yossi - for a 100 time, who else is on the bench and isn't ****?

And bringing on Yossi gives us what exactly? We were effectively playing with 10 men! 9 If you count Torres because he was absolutely shattered from 70 mins on wards.
 
Given the way Spurs got the second goal, and the way they were going through the midfield in the last 10 minutes, Lampard would not have been a good option.

Yet he brought Yossi on and we continued to get bullied anyway? At least with Lampard he gives you a threat going forward.
 
Yet he brought Yossi on and we continued to get bullied anyway? At least with Lampard he gives you a threat going forward.

And a big gaping hole in defence, when Spurs were coming through you.

That's the point it would have been even worse through the middle!
 
And a big gaping hole in defence, when Spurs were coming through you.

That's the point it would have been even worse through the middle!

Worse than Yossi who stayed out wide? So having someone in the middle (Lampard) will leave more gaps than not having someone there (Yossi)?
 
Worse than Yossi who stayed out wide? So having someone in the middle (Lampard) will leave more gaps than not having someone there (Yossi)?

Yes. Yossi wasnt in the middle, he was on the flanks.

Bringing on Lampard means a midfield duo of Lampard and Luiz, while pushing Ramires back out wide.

So you have made a midfield duo that was already under pressure, even weaker. Because Lampard is poorer defensively than Ramires, and would certainly struggle to track Bale surging inside.
 
Oh i am not slating Yossi for how much he earns as it is the clubs fault for sure, just find it staggering the amount he is on. I would agree with you if he actually did use the squad well. I am fully sympathetic towards him in terms of how small the squad is but he does not help himself and constantly contradicts himself with this so called rotation because of fitness policy.

Really? Because considering how small the pool of players who can play to Chelsea's standards are, I'd say rotation for fitness is ****** paramount. Oscar and Eden Hazard have both played over SIXTY games each this season. Torres, Mata and Ramires are racking up similar amounts of appearances. Contrast this to Manchester United - who, it must be noted, have a strict rotational policy under Ferguson - and their key players: Michael Carrick has played 34, Van Persie 36 and Rooney 26.

Frankly, it's a miracle your entire squad hasn't just broken down and ground to a halt under sheer weight of injuries. It's a testament to Rafa's rotational policy that you can even field an eleven of senior players, let alone actually improve towards the end of the season and start outplaying your rivals when it matters.

Playing Torres on the Thursday (as he has no choice) and then again for 90 minutes on a Sunday knowing for well he has to play again on Thusday is not managing the squad well is it?

No idea. Perhaps? I wouldn't want to speculate past basic fact. Rafa's the one with all the sports scientists here, not me.

Making subs so late in games that there is no resting time for players and not even using the full allotted subs he can is not managing the squad well is it?

That's one accusation that can definitely be levelled against him, I'd agree.

One massive difference between Di Matteo and Rafa is that Di Matteo was still learning his trade, Rafa is stuck in his own ways and will never change that no matter how much he fails with it.

Yeah, he totally didn't change at all when 3-0 down in the Champions League final at half time. Nope. NEVER EVER CHANGES, and fails (or in this particular case, succeeds spectacularly) all the time.
 
Its true, Rafa doesn't like to switch formation unless at half-time. I'm guessing it has something to do with people being out of position.

Trivia time, guess who else almost never changed formation this entire season? Helpful hint: he likes to poke people in the eye.
 
Yes. Yossi wasnt in the middle, he was on the flanks.

Bringing on Lampard means a midfield duo of Lampard and Luiz, while pushing Ramires back out wide.

So you have made a midfield duo that was already under pressure, even weaker. Because Lampard is poorer defensively than Ramires, and would certainly struggle to track Bale surging inside.

Well no not really because Bale cuts inside from the flanks and he started the game wide left as he thought he would have a better shot against Azpi which turned out to be wrong. Azpi had him covered, tracked him outside and inside. He then tried his luck briefly down the right but quickly established Cole was always going to have him covered too. He then spent the rest of the game being very in-effective, both full backs tracked him inside all night and he was anonymous. Ramires was not even thinking about defending in the last 20 minutes and kept attacking anyway. Luiz kept being pulled out of position too. I also never said push Ramires wide right, i said change to 4-3-3.
 
Really? Because considering how small the pool of players who can play to Chelsea's standards are, I'd say rotation for fitness is ****** paramount. Oscar and Eden Hazard have both played over SIXTY games each this season. Torres, Mata and Ramires are racking up similar amounts of appearances. Contrast this to Manchester United - who, it must be noted, have a strict rotational policy under Ferguson - and their key players: Michael Carrick has played 34, Van Persie 36 and Rooney 26.

Frankly, it's a miracle your entire squad hasn't just broken down and ground to a halt under sheer weight of injuries. It's a testament to Rafa's rotational policy that you can even field an eleven of senior players, let alone actually improve towards the end of the season and start outplaying your rivals when it matters.

No idea. Perhaps? I wouldn't want to speculate past basic fact. Rafa's the one with all the sports scientists here, not me.

That's one accusation that can definitely be levelled against him, I'd agree.

Yeah, he totally didn't change at all when 3-0 down in the Champions League final at half time. Nope. NEVER EVER CHANGES, and fails (or in this particular case, succeeds spectacularly) all the time.

I totally understand players have played monumental amount of games for us but i don't think he has rotated properly for the valid reasons i just gave. He had a fully fit Demba Ba to play in between them games i mentioned but he played a total of 0 minutes in a week when Torres played 270 minutes. You don't need sports science to tell you that Torres needed a rest, this is what i mean when i say he contradicts himself. He has changed formation once during a game this season and it worked! So why not do it on more occasions?
 
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