Saw this comment on WAGHN-
A guy who cannot score double digits in the league is up for the challenge of competing with Costa. The guy who actually has a chance of displacing Costa is whining
Except Ivanovic is better suited to play RB under Jose's system which was why Azpi was benched.
People literally except us to hand Lukaku the No.1 spot
Look at Torres' comments recently.
Pointless comparison really.
The one who can't score double digits is in no real threat of losing out on anything considering his age, is unlikely to get a move to another club that will offer anything close to what he's on currently and can generally just relax knowing all his hard work has been done.
Lukaku on the other hand is still young and fighting to improve himself and his career, if Chelsea don't want to play him then he has every right to "whine".
If he is better suited, how did he lost his place then?
Nobody ever has said that except, ironically, you and Subtle.
Of course Torres is willing to fight for no.1 spot, its not like other clubs are lining up to buy a striker who demands 150k/week and can't hit a barn. What else he is going to say? I guess he could say "I'd gladly leave to be no.1 but I don't have any offers".
Fine if you don't like that comparison then look at Schurrle. He came to Chelsea young and without having won anything just like Lukaku. He faced serious competiton from the likes of Hazard, William and Mata for a starting spot. Lukaku only had to compete with an ageing Eto'o and Torres. Schurrle worked hard and proved himself and got major minutes. Lukaku on the other hand ran off on loan and is now whining
1. When did Ivanovic lose his place? He was virtually untouchable last season
2. Because that's the only alternative. What plan of action do you think Chelsea should take then?
3. He can just as easily lower his wage demands. But if you don't like that example then look at Schurrle or Azpilicueta
Azpilicueta is an even worse example given he's a full back and only had Ivanovic and Cole to compete with for two places given he can play on the left or right.
Schurrle was already doing pretty well though for Leverkusen and realistically only had to compete with Hazard to be out on the left but with Hazard getting moved around he was fine to play out there. He played 30 games for Chelsea in his first season compared to Lukaku who spent the vast majority of it in the reserves.
EDIT: Actually screw it, just remembered we have Van Ginkel who is comparable if not better than Strootman
Chelsea should really be in for Strootman if he is available. Still think we are one quality CM short assuming Fabregas arrives
EDIT: Actually screw it, just remembered we have Van Ginkel who is comparable if not better than Strootman
Chelsea should really be in for Strootman if he is available. Still think we are one quality CM short assuming Fabregas arrives
EDIT: Actually screw it, just remembered we have Van Ginkel who is comparable if not better than Strootman
Actually he only started playing left this season which shows the faith Jose has in players like him. Jose was willing to drop Ashley Cole to allow Azpi to play despite him not being a natural LB.
Right sorry this is bollocks. Schurrle didnt come to Chelsea a young talent. He was a German league regular, in the national team already FFS.
He got 30 games because he was bought be a regular option.
You're really fighting a losing battle on this one mate. Azpi's talent was obviously recognised by Benitez and Jose's decision to drop him really was a bit baffling. His competition was: a 32 yr old on the decline and a converted CB who still can't cross a ball 5 years later.
Schurrle is a much better example of how a player can fight for his place, improve and get game time at Chelsea.
Actually he only started playing left this season which shows the faith Jose has in players like him. Jose was willing to drop Ashley Cole to allow Azpi to play despite him not being a natural LB. And on Schurrle, he had to compete with Mata, Hazard and Willian. Hazard was never moved around as you suggest. The reason Schurrle played 30 games is precisely because he stuck around, trained hard and competed for his place in the team
On the comparative, Lukaku ran off on loan as soon as Eto'o came and is now whining when Chelsea are close to buying Costa.
To all the pro-Lukaku fans out there, please suggest an alternative path that Chelsea should adopt because the only one I can think off is handing Lukaku the main strikers spot and giving up on Costa
You're really fighting a losing battle on this one mate. Azpi's talent was obviously recognised by Benitez and Jose's decision to drop him really was a bit baffling. His competition was: a 32 yr old on the decline and a converted CB who still can't cross a ball 5 years later.
Schurrle is a much better example of how a player can fight for his place, improve and get game time at Chelsea. Which brings us neatly to:
And for the first part of the year, he was ineffective at best. He may have been an established player but he needed time to adapt to the club and to refine aspects of his game. The situations are highly similar in that way.
Which is exactly what Lukaku is certain to be. Do you genuinely think that Lukaku isn't going to be a regular option for a club that plays as many games as Chelsea? I can definitely see him getting 30, even if it might be with 10 starts, and 20 subs as opposed to Schurrle's 15 and 15.
Not with Torres there. And the point is: at what point over the last 2 years have chelsea properly put this across to him? Fair play to him not want to waste time, like many players who sit on the bench for the whole season (Rodwell). The problem here is that there is no relationship from the club to him, he has no reason to trust in the club.
This is where I have to disagree. This is it for Jose really, if he splashes 100m on the squad and it doesn't deliver he's in ****. Now you might argue that this means he won't have time to bring through new talents but I'd say that Lukaku is a far more reliable option than Torres right now. Common sense says he should be getting the games and, although you can normally bank on Chelsea to do the opposite of whatever is common sense, I think that Jose is a sensible man.
The lack of communication really is rather unfortunate, although I think it has a lot to do with the rate that Lukaku has developed at. I don't think the club expected him to jump every hurdle so convincingly. If you had looked at him when he first started at West Brom, the idea that a year later he would be performing at an even higher standard with a top 6 club was unlikely.
Common sense says that he would be, but Jose does like Torres, who has a knack fog the big European games. And Jose is an arch pragmatist, will do what it takes to have the bets chance of him winning. And well, Chlesea arent great on the common sense.
But the lack of communication here is more than unfortunate, i think it's a vital reason in why he's ask to leave. He's developed faster than expected, but the club have not really responded to that at all.
All these fabregas rumours are boring me now. We've apparently agreed a deal to sign him around 780 times and he has completed 1500 medicals
But also with Torres you have to consider the fact that he is on ?175k a week and knows 100% no other club in Europe would be willing to pay him anywhere near that amount anymore. Also he has the chance of lifting a few trophies after only playing a bit part in winning them whilst he earns all that dosh.