im sorry but you are being well too harsh on Torres just because you are seeing Drogbas name in the same conversation. If any other clubs fans came in here and bashed Torres for only scoring in the EUROPA league and pointless goals in the champions league you would argue otherwise. You are seeing drogbas name and are taking that as mike is saying Torres is better than drogba in Europe and at scoring big goals when he isn't saying that at all. Torres has scored big goals in Europe as has drogba is the point mike is trying to make which is 100% true.
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im sorry but you are being well too harsh on Torres just because you are seeing Drogbas name in the same conversation. If any other clubs fans came in here and bashed Torres for only scoring in the EUROPA league and pointless goals in the champions league you would argue otherwise. You are seeing drogbas name and are taking that as mike is saying Torres is better than drogba in Europe and at scoring big goals when he isn't saying that at all. Torres has scored big goals in Europe as has drogba is the point mike is trying to make which is 100% true.
Inverting is excellent. What I really wanted was Carlo Ancellotti's book, but I cant' seem to find it in English. He actually used his tactical play in from the book against both Bayern, and Atletico.
No lets rephrase that to he really isn't a manager as bad as he shown himself to be. He let himself down and looked like a small fish in an ocean with his comments in the media, tactically, key decisions including subs, buying Fellaini, etc etc.
Less sympathy for Moyes and more realisation that you want him at Chelsea to succeed Jose next season.
Yeah Drogba hasn't done it for the last couple of years because he has been in China and Turkey. If the criteria for being a third choice striker is that the person must show up in Europe then Drogba is a better choice than Torres. And you were opposed to it because you said in your initial post that you don't think it would be 'great' if Drogba replaced Torres
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The argument started around that but then changed into a whole torres doesn't score big goals or I have been asleep and dreamt of a chelsea thread where all is at peace and Alcaraz and Sunil don't bicker?
Also regarding this who would be a better third choice striker, so your telling me a 36 year old Didier Drogba who has been in China in the wilderness and playing in Turkey is a better choice than Torres who is what 30? Will need less game time to be match fit, will probably keep his match fitness more than Drogba well if indeed it is a straight third choice selection. I really do not get your argument at all, bringing up stuff that is over two years ago to support your point but when I compare last season which is probably more relevant it doesn't fit in the argument right.....
Come on mate, if I had a choice between Moyes and Mourinho ... Which idiot in the world will pick Moyes? Name me just one idiot who will do that. Just one
If the criteria for being a third choice striker is that the person must show up in Europe then Drogba is a better choice than Torres.
The last two seasons show that isnt the case, and the last two/three seasons are surely more relevant because of the ages of both players? We already know Torres has shown up in Europe. Even without goals, Drogba wasnt effective in CL for Gala. If he plays at the same level for Chelsea, it's actually a step down. he will need to raise his game back up
Not saying it wasn't great =/= being opposed.
1. Neglible difference in quality between Torres and Drogba
2. Drogba will have far less wages which is kinda important because Torres has a huge FFP hit on us
3. Drogba is a legend whereas Torres is a polarizing figure
4. Drogba's skill set makes him better suited as an impact sub
5. Lukaku more likely to stay because Drogba is his idol
Who even says Mourinho would of come to United? According to the man himself, he was only set on Chelsea, make of that what you will.
It's tremendously unfair if you judge both of them based on their last two seasons. Torres was playing with a much better team. Drogba had spent a year in China before being shoved straight back into the CL with a far worse team in a far worse league
Also Drogba brings advantages that Torres will never bring which I have mentioned to epic terrorist and time and time repeatedly on this thread
Nah he would have gone to United if he had the chance ... First you lambast people for believing Mourinho and then suddenly believe him yourself when it suits you. Naughty
1. Neglible difference in quality between Torres and Drogba - last two seasons dont necessarily back that up
2. Drogba will have far less wages which is kinda important because Torres has a huge FFP hit on us - Actually, with the other high earners gone, Torres has a relatively low impact now.
3. Drogba is a legend whereas Torres is a polarizing figure - true, but really less relavant to the work on pitch
4. Drogba's skill set makes him better suited as an impact sub - both capable of impact in different ways.
5. Lukaku more likely to stay because Drogba is his idol - Driving factor in him staying would be regular game time, he would be the de facto number 2 striker.
It's not unfair, its actually the relevant data, it what will impact on both players coming up this season. What happen 4-5 years back for both players doesn't matter, because they are no longer such players. You can't call it unfair just because it doesn't as look as good for Drogba. The aim is to give an even handed view, not to make your player look good.
I said "make of that what you will", I never believe a thing he says so not sure if he's telling the truth or not.
Oh and just for the sake of the argument, Moyes was a better appointment than Mourinho at the time anyway for the sake of a long-term role he was the better option, he just drastically become a worse manager with this step up, why? I don't know.
If he demonstrated some of the qualities at least like at Everton, just some, he would still be in a job now. He didn't show any.
1. No because one striker was playing in China and the other was playing in England. Unfair comparison to make
2. He still has a big impact. I am pretty sure him being gone would give the club a lot more room to work with. Perhaps offer that type of money to a player who really deserves it like Pogba/Vidal
3. Still relevant to some degree
4. Fair enough
5. Yeah but surely having his idol around to convince him would help
Yeah well obviously United don't do long-term anymore ... The fact that they turned to a super coach in LVG just shows that they realise their mistake and they probably wish they appointed Mourinho last summer
Isn't that exactly what Charlton and Ferguson did?
And as GC said, Drogba is an entirely different proposition when coached by Mourinho. Anyways this argument has no relevance now anyways because Atletico just confirmed that they are not interested in Torres
Jonathan Wilson's books in general are fantastic knowledge builders. Check out "Behind the Curtain" if you ever find yourself wanting to learn more about Eastern European football haha. I've heard a lot of good things about The Ball is Round, are you far enough through as to be able to recommend it?