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The doubts over the mental strength is understandable

KDB wanted to start despite not being good enough. His justification ... Oh I stay late after training and stopped drinking Coke and eating chocolate, yet Jose doesn't start me. I am off bye bye

He wouldn't have been a regular. Schurrle, Willian and Oscar all better than him

On Lukaku ... He ran off on loan when Eto'o came. He didn't want competition. Costa embraced competition when Falcao came. He was sent on loan numerous times yet didn't moan about it

Costa was out on loan when Falcao signed. So all this arguments are based on incorrect data.
 
I can actually see both sides of the coin here. Yes Lukaku is right in his own way but one cannot deny that he is afraid of competition. As Jose said ... Lukaku is a good kid who has his own way of organizing his career

Again see my point about competition.
 
Costa was out on loan when Falcao signed. So all this arguments are based on incorrect data.

Out on loan when he banged in a substantial amount of goals ... 10 in 16 for a small club in La Liga is pretty good
 
Again see my point about competition.

I have seen it and agree with it. But you need to look at the other side of the coin as well. Lukaku wants to be undisputed No.1 ... He doesn't like competition even if it comes from an 80 year old Eto'o. That does raise doubts over his mental strength
 
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Out on loan when he banged in a substantial amount of goals ... 10 in 16 for a small club in La Liga is pretty good

Are you for real?

Costa was out on loan when Falcao signed, yeah Costa proved himself scoring for small club.

Lukaku was out on loan, yeah he ran off from the competition and scoring for small club doesn't mean he is good enough for Chelsea.

You said Costa embraced the competition which was wrong. He was out on loan.
 
I have seen it and agree with it. But you need to look at the other side of the coin as well. Lukaku wants to be undisputed No.1 ... He doesn't like competition even if it comes from an 80 year old Eto'o

Liking or not liking competition is irrelevant. He wants as much development time as he can get, as he is young. Can't get it at Chelsea? Then he goes to Everton. There is a good chance he wont even be at Everton in two years if he rapidly develops.
 
I have seen it and agree with it. But you need to look at the other side of the coin as well. Lukaku wants to be undisputed No.1 ... He doesn't like competition even if it comes from an 80 year old Eto'o

Or he doesn't trust the manager and wants to work with the manager where he is trusted and given chances to grow.
 
Are you for real?

Costa was out on loan when Falcao signed, yeah Costa proved himself scoring for small club.

Lukaku was out on loan, yeah he ran off from the competition and scoring for small club doesn't mean he is good enough for Chelsea.

You said Costa embraced the competition which was wrong. He was out on loan.

Yes he was out on loan where he scored goals. Atletico sold Aguero and then bought Falcao instead of agreeing to give him a chance. He didn't decide to run off but instead stayed and competed with Falcao. Lukaku refused to do the same and went off on loan

I am not even criticizing Lukaku though. I am just pointing out the difference between Costa and Lukaku in terms of the way they approach competition
 
Yes he was out on loan where he scored goals. Atletico sold Aguero and then bought Falcao instead of agreeing to give him a chance. He didn't decide to run off but instead stayed and competed with Falcao. Lukaku refused to do the same and went off on loan

I am not even criticizing Lukaku though. I am just pointing out the difference between Costa and Lukaku in terms of the way they approach competition

But you did criticize him for it. For a whole season.
 
Liking or not liking competition is irrelevant. He wants as much development time as he can get, as he is young. Can't get it at Chelsea? Then he goes to Everton. There is a good chance he wont even be at Everton in two years if he rapidly develops.

Why is it irrelevant though? The way strikers embrace competition does give us an indication of their determination and strength. If he stayed, he would have gotten enough games and training alongside someone like Costa would have only helped him push himself

On the other hand, getting regular games at Everton will help him as well although he won't have someone like Costa pushing him
 
Or he doesn't trust the manager and wants to work with the manager where he is trusted and given chances to grow.

Trust the manager in what way? You think he doesn't trust Jose to give him time on the pitch?
 
But you did criticize him for it. For a whole season.

Ok wait I got your point. The reason why he criticized him was because he was moaning about not getting chances at Chelses even though his competition would have been Ba, Torres and Eto'o which he wasn't ready to embrace
 
Why is it irrelevant though? The way strikers embrace competition does give us an indication of their determination and strength. If he stayed, he would have gotten enough games and training alongside someone like Costa would have only helped him push himself

On the other hand, getting regular games at Everton will help him as well although he won't have someone like Costa pushing him

No, no it doesn't. This is exactly the kind of backwards notion that needs to stop in English football, It infuriates me. A player might be extremely determined, but judges that right now, individual development is more important.

The whole point is that he was unsure about getting enough games, and development is his current drive.
 
Ok wait I got your point. The reason why he criticized him was because he was moaning about not getting chances at Chelses even though his competition would have been Ba, Torres and Eto'o which he wasn't ready to embrace

Stop talking about embracing competition. Embracing it is not wholly good thing. You keep making out like it is. I'm beginning to understand why you insisted on having a dig at him now, I should have realised this before.

It's not you it's the notion we ascribe to. I really hate it.
 
No, no it doesn't. This is exactly the kind of backwards notion that needs to stop in English football, It infuriates me. A player might be extremely determined, but judges that right now, individual development is more important.

The whole point is that he was unsure about getting enough games, and development is his current drive.

Yes development is his current drive. Don't you think he would progress fast as well if he had someone like Costa pushing him in training and someone like Drogba and Mourinho to learn from. This is in addition to getting decent minutes on the pitch as second choice striker

As I said, I can see both sides of the coin. Lukaku obviously felt he wanted guarenteed games on the pitch and fair play to him
 
Yes he was out on loan where he scored goals. Atletico sold Aguero and then bought Falcao instead of agreeing to give him a chance. He didn't decide to run off but instead stayed and competed with Falcao. Lukaku refused to do the same and went off on loan

I am not even criticizing Lukaku though. I am just pointing out the difference between Costa and Lukaku in terms of the way they approach competition

Costa went out on loan when Falcao was signed. Not sure if you are getting this wrong intentionally. Also Costa played with Falcao which wouldn't have happened with Lukaku and Costa.
 
Yes development is his current drive. Don't you think he would progress fast as well if he had someone like Costa pushing him in training and someone like Drogba and Mourinho to learn from. This is in addition to getting decent minutes on the pitch as second choice striker

As I said, I can see both sides of the coin. Lukaku obviously felt he wanted guarenteed games on the pitch and fair play to him

Not necessarily. We know Martinez is excellent with young players, and improving technique, which is his biggest weakness. Its not wrong of Chelsea to say "we're not sure you are ready to be the 1" But it's wrong to hammer him for not "embracing competition"
 
Not necessarily. We know Martinez is excellent with young players, and improving technique, which is his biggest weakness. Its not wrong of Chelsea to say "we're not sure you are ready to be the 1" But it's wrong to hammer him for not "embracing competition"

Not really hammering him though. As you can see, I understand where Lukaku is coming from. I just didn't like the idea of him shooting his mouth off in interviews saying how he should be No.1 at Chelsea or he is off even though he would have been No.1 if he had decided to stay and compete
 
Not really hammering him though. As you can see, I understand where Lukaku is coming from. I just didn't like the idea of him shooting his mouth off in interviews saying how he should be No.1 at Chelsea or he is off

Not now, but you did in the past. IIRC there was only one interview that was actually a poor one, the rest were fairly benign.
 
Costa went out on loan when Falcao was signed. Not sure if you are getting this wrong intentionally. Also Costa played with Falcao which wouldn't have happened with Lukaku and Costa.

Ahh yes ... Made a mistake. Falcao was singed in 11-12 season. Apologies
 
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