The Liverpool Thread

[Mike.]

Higuain is an excellent forward. He is also a poor penalty taker and has bottled some massive moments this season and last season. Not fussed about the penalties but the latter is what stops me from calling him world class.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Actually, Benteke has only scored 13 headers in 42 goals. Therefore 30% of his goals have been headers... But people suggest he is only that type of player because that's what they want to think

He's big, quick, with little ability. He'd be completely out of place in a team that plays football as his first touch is poor and his passing pretty darn woeful. He'd be lost as a lone forward the same way Lambert, Borini and Balo are. He get's by on his physique, out muscling players and is best with a ball to run onto. Not a ball into feet. He's scored goals, but in spells. He's a very patchy forward. Nothing approaching a £32 million pound player and completely and utterly the wrong type of striker for us.

That's what I think from games against us I've seen him live; and others I've seen him on the TV.

 

[dilakh2]

Actually, Benteke has only scored 13 headers in 42 goals. Therefore 30% of his goals have been headers... But people suggest he is only that type of player because that's what they want to think

Well i read otherwise, but thats not the point of the matter. stats dont show how villa utilise benteke does it?. when dim sherwood arrived and went direct benteke was scoring. people just use stats to point he can score goals, but the stats doesnt show the type of player he is. That can only be done by watching benteke.

 

[spook]

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I cant understand why people doesn't rate Origi that much. I mean he is tall ,fast ,good balance just what you need in premier league.Finishing is a question but he is still young.

 

[LFCMarshall]

He's big, quick, with little ability. He'd be completely out of place in a team that plays football as his first touch is poor and his passing pretty darn woeful. He'd be lost as a lone forward the same way Lambert, Borini and Balo are. He get's by on his physique, out muscling players and is best with a ball to run onto. Not a ball into feet. He's scored goals, but in spells. He's a very patchy forward. Nothing approaching a £32 million pound player and completely and utterly the wrong type of striker for us.

That's what I think from games against us I've seen him live; and others I've seen him on the TV.

Well i read otherwise, but thats not the point of the matter. stats dont show how villa utilise benteke does it?. when dim sherwood arrived and went direct benteke was scoring. people just use stats to point he can score goals, but the stats doesnt show the type of player he is. That can only be done by watching benteke.

I was simply pointing out that Dilakh was wrong with his statistics.... At the moment, Benteke would seem a signing that would struggle to fit in with Liverpool's style of play last season, but who's to say that is Rodgers' plan going forward

Im warming to the idea of Benteke - If we sign him, we'll soon find out!

 

[Alcaraz]

Higuan also missed the penalty versus Lazo that meant Napoli couldn't qualify for the CL last season. For a supposed world-class player, he sure as **** messes up big time when it matters

 

[damola3]

I was simply pointing out that Dilakh was wrong with his statistics.... At the moment, Benteke would seem a signing that would struggle to fit in with Liverpool's style of play last season, but who's to say that is Rodgers' plan going forward

Im warming to the idea of Benteke - If we sign him, we'll soon find out!

People assume big, fast and strong = poor technique. If people actually watched his goals, he's very good with his feet and his link up play with his midfielders is very good. He's a very rounded striker.
These are his 2012-3 season goals: http://youtu.be/-fg-b4QMic8

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

People assume big, fast and strong = poor technique. If people actually watched his goals, he's very good with his feet and his link up play with his midfielders is very good. He's a very rounded striker.
These are his 2012-3 season goals: http://youtu.be/-fg-b4QMic8

Put him in a footballing side and see how good his 'technique' is.

Preferably someone like Arsenal so we don't waste any more money.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Put him in a footballing side and see how good his 'technique' is.

Preferably someone like Arsenal so we don't waste any more money.

Nobody is saying his technique is fantastic, but people are very quick to write him off as a very poor striker in any team bar a direct one

The big worry if we do sign him, is the fans will be on his back immediately which will not help in the slightest

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

If we're worried about signing players who would be worried about fan reaction and who will hide if they aren't getting total support then we're looking at completely the wrong type of characters to bring into a club as big as this.

 

[LFCMarshall]

If we're worried about signing players who would be worried about fan reaction and who will hide if they aren't getting total support then we're looking at completely the wrong type of characters to bring into a club as big as this.

I dont buy into this in the slightest, players are not robots.

That's human nature... When you have tens of thousands in the ground and millions at home making a point of slating you, it will affect the majority of players

where do you think the term confidence player comes from? A happy player generally plays better

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I dont buy into this in the slightest, players are not robots.

That's human nature... When you have tens of thousands in the ground and millions at home making a point of slating you, it will affect the majority of players

where do you think the term confidence player comes from? A happy player generally plays better

I aren't condoning it, but if you aren't mentally strong to handle abuse, which is the nature of the beast, don't become a footballer.

And you most assuredly aren't strong enough to handle the pressures of playing for a club as big as LFC.

Answer with your feet and prove the doubters wrong.

 

[LFCMarshall]

I aren't condoning it, but if you aren't mentally strong to handle abuse, which is the nature of the beast, don't become a footballer.

And you most assuredly aren't strong enough to handle the pressures of playing for a club as big as LFC.

Answer with your feet and prove the doubters wrong.

I do agree you need to be able to handle pressure, you cannot be mentally weak at any club, let alone LFC. I just know the fanbase are either fantastic with players or very impatient and despite a player's mentality it cannot help

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I do agree you need to be able to handle pressure, you cannot be mentally weak at any club, let alone LFC. I just know the fanbase are either fantastic with players or very impatient and despite a player's mentality it cannot help

Oh, look, no question it doesn't help. In total agreement there. I've never understood getting on your own players backs during a game. It's detrimental and totally counter productive. But unfortunately, particularly in todays age, that's the nature of football fans and most of our support is no different to any other clubs in that regard. They want it all, and they want it now!

So if you aren't strong mentally, you are never going to reach the top.

Anyone that would be on Benteke's back from the off is a f'ing cretin. But you know it's going to happen, or they'll just be waiting for the first bad game. It just sadly is what it is and you need to be able to have a short memory, ignore it, and not let it affect your game.

It's refreshing to see English clubs turning to sports science and slowly embracing sports psychologists and the like. But we still have a long ways to go in that regard to catch up with the Europeans.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I wonder how many clubs actually have a full time analytics department in England?

I mean we know they've embraced the prozone software, but in today's mega high stakes financial game you'd think they'd be looking for ANY edge and would be fully embracing everything they could.

 

[xJamieWilliams]

Rodgers may have actually woken up and smelt the coffee and realised we have to play different football. He is a direct striker but that's not all he is.

I'm not 100% on him but the more we're being linked the more I'd rather him than someone who cant adapt to the league, time will tell.

 

[Chelski Shogun]

I wonder how many clubs actually have a full time analytics department in England?

I mean we know they've embraced the prozone software, but in today's mega high stakes financial game you'd think they'd be looking for ANY edge and would be fully embracing everything they could.

It may not be full-time, however with this whole 'moneyball' approach of theirs, I imagine Brentford have some form of analytics department.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It may not be full-time, however with this whole 'moneyball' approach of theirs, I imagine Brentford have some form of analytics department.

Yeah, Brentford's statistical approach to player recruitment, for want of a better word, is a good example but you would think clubs would be looking at the whole gambit to say, look for any 'trends' that may be happening and paying off, in whatever fashion, they can capitalise on to stay on top and one step ahead of their competitors.

I'm old school in a lot of respects, but there's SO much money at stake now you're absolutely foolish not to embrace everything you can that may give you that slight edge that makes the difference.

 

[Alcaraz]

I wonder how many clubs actually have a full time analytics department in England?

I mean we know they've embraced the prozone software, but in today's mega high stakes financial game you'd think they'd be looking for ANY edge and would be fully embracing everything they could.

I am pretty sure every EPL club has a dedicated analytics department or at least those in the top half of the table

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I am pretty sure every EPL club has a dedicated analytics department or at least those in the top half of the table

I would certainly hope so and speaking from a NW perspective, I know City are heavily into the data collection side of things and both L'pool and Utd have technical departments that encompass all that. (Which ironically was Moyes bag. Ferguson was still of the old school mindset to not fully embrace that.).

I just wonder, outside of the top end, how widespread it is and just how many clubs in England are still stuck in the past and not fully dragged into the modern game?