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Who is to say Rodgers isn't changing his style and that's why HE wants Benteke,

It's such a shame reading what our fans think on here as it's just so negative all the time.

I suppose this is a football manager website, so you may all be expecting Reus or Lacazzette.

Open your eyes and realise we are not In that top bracket of clubs.
 
It's FAR from in here Jamie the complete apathy to such an average forward who doesn't fit a footballing side, regardless of how Rodgers plays. But meh, with the rest of that you should hop over the Utd thread. They'd currently love you given this mornings ramblings in there.

Moving on .....

On paper at least, it look's like the midfield diamond for the second straight outing. Be interesting to see if that changes to a 4-1-4-1 again when we're on the defensive with one of the two forwards dropping to the right and Adam to the left:

(Right to left) Mingolet; Clyne, Skrtel, Lovren, Gomez; Allen; Henderson, Milner; Lallana; Ings, Origi.

Only 2 changes. With the shortened pre-season, it's good to see we at least appear to be nailing down the bulk of the opening day line-up and how we want to play.

Better showing than Friday please Red Men. Not that I'm too bothered about pre-season. But the ridiculous fervour of the 53K in Adelaide and Australia as a whole are. Small club that we now are.

Do it for them.

*Edit* Scrap that. Busy multitasking. I misread Ings as Ibe.

So looking like that 4-1-4-1 again with Ibe on the right and Adam on the left. With Origi on his own up front, Ugh. Even in an exhibition game he shouldn't be hung out to dry like that.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
It's FAR from in here Jamie the complete apathy to such an average forward who doesn't fit a footballing side, regardless of how Rodgers plays. But meh, with the rest of that you should hop over the Utd thread. They'd currently love you given this mornings ramblings in there.

Moving on .....

On paper at least, it look's like the midfield diamond for the second straight outing. Be interesting to see if that changes to a 4-1-4-1 again when we're on the defensive with one of the two forwards dropping to the right and Adam to the left:

(Right to left) Mingolet; Clyne, Skrtel, Lovren, Gomez; Allen; Henderson, Milner; Lallana; Ings, Origi.

Only 2 changes. With the shortened pre-season, it's good to see we at least appear to be nailing down the bulk of the opening day line-up and how we want to play.

Better showing than Friday please Red Men. Not that I'm too bothered about pre-season. But the ridiculous fervour of the 53K in Adelaide and Australia as a whole are. Small club that we now are.

Do it for them.

*Edit* Scrap that. Busy multitasking. I misread Ings as Ibe.

So looking like that 4-1-4-1 again with Ibe on the right and Adam on the left. With Origi on his own up front, Ugh. Even in an exhibition game he shouldn't be hung out to dry like that.
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True though isn't it...

Why haven't we signed all of these world class stars? Is it just because we can't afford them?

I suppose you're right though as you always are.

Origi hung out to dry because he's playing upfront alone in a friendly? BR will be putting him there to see how he gets on, after all you call him RAW, maybe he want's to see how he plays there. I'm with you I think he is still raw but how will anyone ever know if you don't try things.

These are friendly games after all...
 
xJamieWilliams said:
True though isn't it...

Why haven't we signed all of these world class stars? Is it just because we can't afford them?

I suppose you're right though as you always are.

Origi hung out to dry because he's playing upfront alone in a friendly? BR will be putting him there to see how he gets on, after all you call him RAW, maybe he want's to see how he plays there. I'm with you I think he is still raw but how will anyone ever know if you don't try things.

These are friendly games after all...
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The lone role is hard enough for an experienced player. To have an inexperienced kid in that role is not fair on him at all IMHO. Friendly or not. It's a thankless task and not one you want when you're trying to adapt.

That goes for Rodgers or any other coach/ manager.

Your PL era downgrading of Liverpool Football Club is a futile debate to continue with. So we'll leave it at that.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
The lone role is hard enough for an experienced player. To have an inexperienced kid in that role is not fair on him at all IMHO. Friendly or not. It's a thankless task and not one you want when you're trying to adapt.

That goes for Rodgers or any other coach/ manager.

Your PL era downgrading of Liverpool Football Club is a futile debate to continue with. So we'll leave it at that.
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plz do leave it there is no need to rise to the bait every time some 1 says your are not a big club i know you are so do you so just let them say what thay want be the bigger man
 
I have no arguments that we are a big club. We are.

How I see it though is to be a big club, you need marks out of 10 for say youre history, and now.

Our history - 10

Now - 5-6, maybe 7

What do top top players genuinely care about? Playing for a club who had everything? Or playing for a club who currently has everything?

Surely some people can see this?

I love the club as much as anyone, but I'm not going to pretend we're up there with the Madrids and Uniteds (As much as that hurts me to type)

I hope we get back there though
 
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plz do leave it there is no need to rise to the bait every time some 1 says your are not a big club i know you are so do you so just let them say what thay want be the bigger man
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Pertinent words. You and I both know the views of the modern day, Sky generation PL fan aren't with much of anything outside of the transient attitude of today. But man is it frustrating to see repeated ad nauseam. When your own fans play into that perception it just heightens the frustration. But you're right, silence would be the louder response.

As to on field action .....

For someone I'd never even heard of before our interest, Joe Gomez is impressing more and more every game and is quietly pushing himself right up there for opening day contention. Even taking into account the 'quality' of the opposition, again, he just looks like he 'belongs.' Not seen this composure and quality at FB in one so young since Robbie Jones went from 4th division Crewe to taking Giggs out of the game in front of the Nation in the space of 3 short days.

He looks a real talent which is sorely needed on an International level for England too.
 
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Pertinent words. You and I both know the views of the modern day, Sky generation PL fan aren't with much of anything outside of the transient attitude of today. But man is it frustrating to see repeated ad nauseam. When your own fans play into that perception it just heightens the frustration. But you're right, silence would be the louder response.

As to on field action .....

For someone I'd never even heard of before our interest, Joe Gomez is impressing more and more every game and is quietly pushing himself right up there for opening day contention. Even taking into account the 'quality' of the opposition, again, he just look like he 'belongs.' Not seen this composure and quality at FB in one so young since Robbie Jones went from 4th division Crewe to taking Giggs out of the game in front of the Nation in the space of 3 short days.

He looks a real talent which is sorely needed on an International level for England too.
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Ahh the older fan always knows best...

"Sky generation PL fan"

Ever thought maybe you are just deluded?
 
The only thing current player care about is wages, location and trophies. The top player nowaday dont give a rats **** if you won a **** load of trophies 20 years ago. If you cant give them what they want then they wont come. simples. Hence why we have this model of buying young up and coming players with a resell value who then become stars so we can sell on for profit. e.g suarez.
 
Well that was fun.

Good physical workout again, and the passing and interplay is improving as we go. But typical exhibition fare with little to write home about. Gomez impressed for the third straight game as noted above. Clyne was quite but we know what he brings. Milner still playing within himself but we know what a consistent addition he brings to the middle. Origi ..... Just don't see anything to suggest he'll ever be much of anything better than someone like David N'Gog. Enthusiastic and quick, but little else. There's just no strikers instinct there at all. Even against A-league players he's a yard short in thought. To be fair, he's not been helped at all being stuck up by himself. If he's in the PL squad this season then we have as much problems in that role as last. Shout out for Lallana. With a pre-season under his belt, and not playing catch-up like he was all last year, he'll be a real bonus. Surely inked in as a starter at Stoke given both Brazilians will be a little short of full fitness.
 
dilakh2 said:
The only thing current player care about is wages, location and trophies. The top player nowaday dont give a rats **** if you won a **** load of trophies 20 years ago. If you cant give them what they want then they wont come. simples. Hence why we have this model of buying young up and coming players with a resell value who then become stars so we can sell on for profit. e.g suarez.
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You're a year removed from taking the league to the last day, where a losing semi from going to three European Cup finals in 4 years, all within the last 10 years; have won more trophies in the 2000's than any club in England bar Utd and Chelsea; and have collected more European trophies in the same period than any other English club.

But the fixation with the PL drought has Liverpudlians 'living in the past.' Don't fall into the same uneducated modern trend man.

But what I wanted to quote you on there was FSG never intended to be a selling club.

The model they had was in line with FFP. Buy young, develop, and when more established squads grew old, the playing field levelled as those clubs couldn't then go on a massive financial spree to replace in one go. Then Platini went and through that all up in the air again. The three big ones, Torres, Suarez and Sterling wanted out. If it we're down to the club, they'd still be here.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You're a year removed from taking the league to the last day, where a losing semi from going to three European Cup finals in 4 years, all within the last 10 years; have won more trophies in the 2000's than any club in England bar Utd and Chelsea; and have collected more European trophies in the same period than any other English club.

But the fixation with the PL drought has Liverpudlians 'living in the past.' Don't fall into the same uneducated modern trend man.

But what I wanted to quote you on there was FSG never intended to be a selling club.

The model they had was in line with FFP. Buy young, develop, and when more established squads grew old, the playing field levelled as those clubs couldn't then go on a massive financial spree to replace in one go. Then Platini went and through that all up in the air again. The three big ones, Torres, Suarez and Sterling wanted out. If it we're down to the club, they'd still be here.
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Our last big trophy was the F.A Cup in 2006...

Our last trophy was the Carling Cup in 2012...

Chelsea - 2015 league

City - 2014 league

United - 2013 league

Arsenal - 2015 FA Cup

I personally don't count the Capital One Cup as a major trophy, althogh I still always want us to win it, but were years behind again...
 
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..... I personally don't count the Capital One Cup as a major trophy, althogh I still always want us to win it ....
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That right there encapsulates what the PL/ Sky era has brought around. There's only three trophy's you can win domestically in England every year. The League Cup (should) be a major trophy. Day out at Wembley with the added bonus of qualifying for Europe in the Spring. But the Champions League has become so big, finishing top 4 is the all encompassing thing and successive disrespectful managers have denigrated a top trophy by fielding weakened sides in that (and even worse doing the same in the FA Cup); as they prioritise either the Champions League or at the other end of the table, staying in the PL with all it's riches.

Finished 2-0. Milner 67 and Ings 88.

Typical pre-season fare but a very good physical workout again. Milner's goal was offside but he still showed everything Origi doesn't. Instinct and anticipation to be there for a great Ibe ball in. Ibe and Clyne is an exciting developing partnership down the right. People are going to be surprised with more game time and more experience just what Liverpool fans know already. Just how talented Jordan Ibe actually is. Ings missed an absolute sitter of an open net header but took his goal with real composure.

Good workout with pretty much the backbone of what will start at Stoke. Now back to the 'bin men' in Asia on Friday.
 
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That right there encapsulates what the PL/ Sky era has brought around. There's only three trophy's you can win domestically in England every year. The League Cup (should) be a major trophy. Day out at Wembley with the added bonus of qualifying for Europe in the Spring. But the Champions League has become so big, finishing top 4 is the all encompassing thing and successive disrespectful managers have denigrated a top trophy by fielding weakened sides in that (and even worse doing the same in the FA Cup); as they prioritise either the Champions League or at the other end of the table, staying in the PL with all it's riches.

Finished 2-0. Milner 67 and Ings 88.

Typical pre-season fare but a very good physical workout again. Milner's goal was offside but he still showed everything Origi doesn't. Instinct and anticipation to be there for a great Ibe ball in. Ibe and Clyne is an exciting developing partnership down the right. People are going to be surprised with more game time and more experience just what Liverpool fans know already. Just how talented Jordan Ibe actually is. Ings missed an absolute sitter of an open net header but took his goal with real composure.

Good workout with pretty much the backbone of what will start at Stoke. Now back to the 'bin men' in Asia on Friday.
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It's not just the basis of money, it's how players look at it.

Players want Champions League, players want to win big cups.

Everyone want's to play for and against the best clubs in the world, you can't prioritise the Capital One Cup like you could the Champions League...

Blame Sky all you want but that's not why
 
xJamieWilliams said:
It's not just the basis of money, it's how players look at it.

Players want Champions League, players want to win big cups.

Everyone want's to play for and against the best clubs in the world, you can't prioritise the Capital One Cup like you could the Champions League...

Blame Sky all you want but that's not why
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I was talking about todays fan and the reasons behind their attitude.
 
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Exactly, but the reasons behind out attitude is because we want the best players at our club,

So we don't care as much about the Capital One Cup as qualifying for the Champions League.
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And that again just encapsulates what's so wrong with today's generation of fan.

The club's are a separate issue. It's major business now far more than mere sport. So their priority is a top 4 finish. Regardless of whether they win the title or not. Just getting in the top 4 is all that matters. A completely *** backward approach but that's what the Champions League riches have brought about sadly.

But for a 'fan' (and you haven't directly said this, but many do) to be happier with a top 4 finish over winning a trophy absolutely blows my mind and goes completely against what being a fan should be all about. Kenny lost his job back in 2011-12 after winning one domestic trophy, and losing the other in a final we never should of; but missing out on the Champions League places. Yeah, that league campaign was shockingly bad with an 8th placed finish. But as a fan, give me the two great weekends out I had again down at Wembley and the chance of actual silverware over no final day out/ trophy but a top 4 placing ANY day of the week.

It's the same with those that didn't want to be in the Europa Lge this year because that's been totally downgraded in England and is treated with complete contempt here in relation to the Champions League. This club is ALL about European competition. But people would rather not be in it because it's not the Champions League and it's embarrassing to be playing on Thursday night et all.

The above two attitude examples are so foreign to me and what the very ethos of being a fan is/ should be ALL about I can't begin to tell you.
 
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As a club we have always made stars not bought them. However sometimes it would be nice to just buy a ready made star rather than take a gamble on another up and coming.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
And that again just encapsulates what's so wrong with today's generation of fan.

The club's are a separate issue. It's major business now far more than mere sport. So their priority is a top 4 finish. Regardless of whether they win the title or not. Just getting in the top 4 is all that matters. A completely *** backward approach but that's what the Champions League riches have brought about sadly.

But for a 'fan' (and you haven't directly said this, but many do) to be happier with a top 4 finish over winning a trophy absolutely blows my mind and goes completely against what being a fan should be all about. Kenny lost his job back in 2011-12 after winning one domestic trophy, and losing the other in a final we never should of; but missing out on the Champions League places. Yeah, that league campaign was shockingly bad with an 8th placed finish. But as a fan, give me the two great weekends out I had again down at Wembley and the chance of actual silverware over no final day out/ trophy but a top 4 placing ANY day of the week.

It's the same with those that didn't want to be in the Europa Lge this year because that's been totally downgraded in England and is treated with complete contempt here in relation to the Champions League. This club is ALL about European competition. But people would rather not be in it because it's not the Champions League and it's embarrassing to be playing on Thursday night et all.

The above two attitude examples are so foreign to me and what the very ethos of being a fan is/ should be ALL about I can't begin to tell you.
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In an ideal world, I would like to do both. Win a trophy and get top 4.

I also don't think it's so much being content with just being in the top 4 as a fan, but it's closer to the top of the league.

If you support a club you want them top, no question, so being 7th doesn't lift you up too much compared to fourth. As for cups, The Capital One Cup and the F.A Cup.

These arnt prioritised like the league because one bad game and you're out, it's a complete gamble.

I think you believe we all wish for top four and nothing else, and because you've seen it for however many years you have, you think you are right to label us as certain types of fans.

It's very degrading to us fans. We all have our debates and agree on different things, but you label us all.

The only view you ever see is your own, if you go on the other forums I'd imagine a lot of people would agree with that statement.
 
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