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Completely agree... Our transfer policy since FSG has lead to this. Lowballing on fee's and wages on new signings and contract renewals has let other clubs' interest change everything.

A key player like Sterling, Gerrard (at the time) should be dealt with as priority and a contract wrapped up, especially when the team was doing well



Not to mention in can be dangerous with the accusations that another club may have helped Sterling buyout his contract

Very, very unlikely.

100% true, however maybe not offering gerrard a contract is a good thing its time he left anyway. but the sterling fiasco should have been kept in house, you have to also not shift all the blame on sterling he hasnt been helped by the club making it out that he is a greedy ******* which he may or may not be we dont know its only what rodgers shouted out to the media. poor from both sides imo.
 
Completely agree... Our transfer policy since FSG has lead to this. Lowballing on fee's and wages on new signings and contract renewals has let other clubs' interest change everything.

A key player like Sterling, Gerrard (at the time) should be dealt with as priority and a contract wrapped up, especially when the team was doing well

Yeah, Gerrard said if the contract was offered last summer he would have signed. Same with Sterling if the contract was offered before Suarez was sold he would have signed it for lesser money. Timing is very important.


Not to mention in can be dangerous with the accusations that another club may have helped Sterling buyout his contract

Very, very unlikely.

Like I said clubs don't do that as if 1 club starts then the chances of someone targeting their club is also higher. Yeah very unlikely scenario.
 
100% true, however maybe not offering gerrard a contract is a good thing its time he left anyway. but the sterling fiasco should have been kept in house, you have to also not shift all the blame on sterling he hasnt been helped by the club making it out that he is a greedy ******* which he may or may not be we dont know its only what rodgers shouted out to the media. poor from both sides imo.

From a playing point of view, Gerrard leaving is best for the club - We look better as a team without him in the side now. But he brings so much more in terms of the dressing room, influence and a big name at the club which is very important

Sterling is not completely to blame and both sides have come out looking terrible, but he has been the main source of this problem, whether it has been bad advice or himself orchestrating it

Yeah, Gerrard said if the contract was offered last summer he would have signed. Same with Sterling if the contract was offered before Suarez was sold he would have signed it for lesser money. Timing is very important.




Like I said clubs don't do that as if 1 club starts then the chances of someone targeting their club is also higher. Yeah very unlikely scenario.

They got one scenario correct and that was Luis Suarez. He was always going to leave, but by signing a new contract with a high release clause it meant when he did leave Liverpool got top money and had the chance to replace him
 
They got one scenario correct and that was Luis Suarez. He was always going to leave, but by signing a new contract with a high release clause it meant when he did leave Liverpool got top money and had the chance to replace him

Yeah, how much ever I dislike Suarez I respect him for that, he made sure Liverpool got the money they deserved and that's one of the things I was arguing over past few days. Suarez and Ronaldo deserve respect for signing contract and making sure selling club gets fair price, so they will always be a heroes.
 
United are doing it now. Offering contracts while club is on the rise, and virtually all are signing. If I was a Liverpool fan I would be fuming at the way the its been dealt with (and not just with sterling)
 
United are doing it now. Offering contracts while club is on the rise, and virtually all are signing. If I was a Liverpool fan I would be fuming at the way the its been dealt with (and not just with sterling)

Where's some filthy rich arabs when you need them!
 
Vulnerable Liverpool are mediocre - and they know it

Tony Barrett
Last updated at 10:53AM, May 19 2015

Not since buying Liverpool in October 2010 has Fenway Sports Group (FSG) endured such a chastening 72 hours. On Saturday, supporters at Anfield reacted with derision to the suggestion that the club are heading in the right direction. Then yesterday there was a vicious double whammy as Michel Platini confirmed that the Financial Fair Play rules which attracted John W. Henry to purchase the club are to be relaxed and Raheem Sterling’s camp made it known that the winger wishes to leave.

Liverpool are vulnerable right now. They are mediocre and everyone knows it. The reality is that those at the top end of the football industry have known it for some time, hence senior scouts from Manchester City and Chelsea becoming Anfield regulars this season in the knowledge that Liverpool’s best players are there for the taking in a way that they haven’t been for half a century.

For all the opprobrium – some of it just, some of it not – that will inevitably be showered on Sterling and his representative, Aidy Ward, following yesterday’s events, the reality is that it is Liverpool’s weakness that allows players and agents to act in the way that they are. One of the club’s first and most important responsibilities is to make it a place that players find difficult to leave and it would be absurd to claim that is the case.

With no Champions League football to offer, only one trophy (the League Cup) won in the past nine seasons, just three title challenges since 1991, a transfer policy that prioritises the future over the present and an inability to compete for top players, Liverpool are failing to keep their end of the bargain in terms of how a big club are supposed to behave. Expectations have been lowered, almost dumbed down, and if the supporters can recognise that so too can the players.

Thus far, the strongest argument that Liverpool have been able to muster in their attempts to convince Sterling to remain at the club is that it is the best place for his development at this stage of his career; not that if he remains at Anfield he can fulfil his ambitions, that success is around the corner or that they will pay him as much as others are willing to. It is an argument rooted in weakness and lacking in conviction.

It could also be argued that it is flawed given that Sterling, a creative player, has spent the past 12 months playing in a team without a forward. It is all well and good playing regular first-team football but doing so in a dysfunctional team that stymies your best qualities is hardly developmental.

The reality is that Liverpool’s problems – their failure to finish in the top four, their struggle to hold on to their best players, the lack of supporters’ faith in the club’s direction and the pressure that is building on the Anfield hierarchy – are symptoms of the same cause: a flawed transfer strategy that it is causing untold damage. Signing potential rather than proven talent is undermining everything that Liverpool are supposed to stand for. It has reached the stage where one of their better young players is not prepared to hang around to see if their inferior young players will improve.

For all the accusations that Sterling is going the wrong way about forcing a move (and many of these are wholly legitimate), Liverpool are at the mercy of the ambition of others because they are either unwilling or unable to match their rivals’ ambition. That situation is only likely to become more severe now that FFP is about to be watered down. As Henry himself conceded recently, without FFP it becomes “very difficult” for Liverpool to compete. The established football food chain, ordered according to owners’ wealth, leaves them exposed. Rival clubs, avaricious agents and even their own supporters know this only too well.

FSG’s model is failing. Whether that is because it is fundamentally flawed or poorly executed is a moot point but what is not in question is that Liverpool’s entire football operation is in need of urgent evaluation. Until the things that are going wrong are put right, then Raheem Sterling won’t be the last to believe the grass is greener elsewhere, he’ll just be one of a number in an ever lengthening line who view Liverpool Football Club as a stepping stone rather than a final destination.
 
Yeah, how much ever I dislike Suarez I respect him for that, he made sure Liverpool got the money they deserved and that's one of the things I was arguing over past few days. Suarez and Ronaldo deserve respect for signing contract and making sure selling club gets fair price, so they will always be a heroes.
I think you're forgetting the way Suarez left Liverpool. The year before he left he did interview after interview saying how he wanted to leave. Rodgers made him train with the reserves for how he was acting and wouldn't let him train with the first team until he apologised. Then Arsenal bid for him but it was rejected. Suarez only signed a new contract so that Liverpool would have to let him go if someone bid enough money for him. Gerrard convinced him to stay one more season to wait for Barcelona.
 
I think you're forgetting the way Suarez left Liverpool. The year before he left he did interview after interview saying how he wanted to leave. Rodgers made him train with the reserves for how he was acting and wouldn't let him train with the first team until he apologised. Then Arsenal bid for him but it was rejected. Suarez only signed a new contract so that Liverpool would have to let him go if someone bid enough money for him. Gerrard convinced him to stay one more season to wait for Barcelona.

Wouldn't surprise me if similar happened with Sterling this summer
 
Wouldn't surprise me if similar happened with Sterling this summer

I would doubt it. I think Gerrard played a big part in convincing Suarez and he's gone soon. Also Sterling can buy out his contract quite easily next summer as he's on a relatively low salary, which will influence owners to sell now even without new contract and clause.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if similar happened with Sterling this summer

except we dont have gerrard convincing sterling to stay. what worries me the most and i actually hope its down to money is that sterling wants to leave for trophies. what kind of message does that send out that we cant even hold onto a hot prospect which is what sterling is. ffs this club is a shambles from top to bottom. major shakeup required this summer.
 
I would doubt it. I think Gerrard played a big part in convincing Suarez and he's gone soon. Also Sterling can buy out his contract quite easily next summer as he's on a relatively low salary, which will influence owners to sell now even without new contract and clause.

its called webster ruling, researched it and sterling can buy out his contract which is a year salary considering his on peanuts he could most certainly do it.
 
except we dont have gerrard convincing sterling to stay. what worries me the most and i actually hope its down to money is that sterling wants to leave for trophies. what kind of message does that send out that we cant even hold onto a hot prospect which is what sterling is. ffs this club is a shambles from top to bottom. major shakeup required this summer.

Its been that way for a while.. the club is no longer elite and cant compete if a top club comes in for a player
 
its called webster ruling, researched it and sterling can buy out his contract which is a year salary considering his on peanuts he could most certainly do it.

yeah and just saw a twitterpic of article where Gerrard says that Sterling should leave if he wants to win trophies. Trying to verify if its true atm.
 
I would doubt it. I think Gerrard played a big part in convincing Suarez and he's gone soon. Also Sterling can buy out his contract quite easily next summer as he's on a relatively low salary, which will influence owners to sell now even without new contract and clause.

This buying out contract thing simply wont happen
 
Its been that way for a while.. the club is no longer elite and cant compete if a top club comes in for a player

the difference was that ready made players were leaving us for bigger things. that i can understand. but when i young prospect no longer thinks he can continue his development thats when the **** has really hit the fan.
 
the difference was that ready made players were leaving us for bigger things. that i can understand. but when i young prospect no longer thinks he can continue his development thats when the **** has really hit the fan.

Sterling is leaving us for bigger things, that's his reasoning... Trophies

Young player or not, he is one of our best players
 
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Sterling is leaving us for bigger things, that's his reasoning... Trophies

Young player or not, he is one of our best players

i understand that but even he must know that he is not the finished article and that he is still developing. the fact that he feels he wont develop at lfc is whats the problem. i think their will be further revalations in the next couple of days. and only lfc the club will come out looking bad. thats a problem in itself.
 
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i understand that but even he must know that he is not the finished article and that he is still developing. the fact that he feels he wont develop at lfc is whats the problem. i think their will be further revalations in the next couple of days. and only lfc the club will come out looking bad. thats a problem in itself.

Maybe he feels that he needs to be playing with better teams, a footballing version of the old adage "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room."

Though, I do suspect that he has lost faith in Rodgers as well.
 
Who didnt!

If FSG don't go for Klopp this summer they are dumber than overcooked potato.

Proven world class manager, plays fantastic football, actually has a style and vision that are comprehensible, works great with low budgets, very charismatic, camera loves him, media love him, which will improve club brand instantly.

When is the next time a guy like that may be even available for you? Never, quite possibly.

Basically what I'm saying is, the entire board should take turns blowing Klopp until he signs.
 
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