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Vanjagl said:
Down there, playing the wingback.
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The last time i checked sterling was playing as false 9 in rodgers new formation since sturridge is always out due to injuries. and even as a winger he does not have as many assists as he should!
 
i dont think its anything to do with money or trophies i just think he doesnt want to be at liverpool any more fo what ever reason
 
mersk said:
And we could easily end up blaming the player instead of the strategy. Sterling is greedy. Torres was a Judas. Suarez was crazy. Owen was an *******. "The player wanted more money, we did what we could". Off to scout for a new talent. Buy him as a teenager, grow him into a top-class talent. Sell him after he makes his breakthrough. And on and on we go. A certain Limahl song comes to mind.
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Torres and Suarez have too many Liverpool fans supporting them! They both helped us with their performance to touch the BPL title( finished 2nd two times one with Torres and one with Suarez) They both did incredible things with the club and also brought to the club extraordinary transfer offers in order to leave! the Comparison betwewn them and Sterling is not so good. Furthermore the strategy cannot and will not change. This is what LFC has been doing the last 30 years this is what it will keep doing in the next 30 unless some new owner comes and buy the team like Man city, PSG, Chelsea....etc... which i hope it does NOT happen.i don't like the way those teams buy and sell.
 
ELNIN0 said:
Torres and Suarez have too many Liverpool fans supporting them! They both helped us with their performance to touch the BPL title( finished 2nd two times one with Torres and one with Suarez) They both did incredible things with the club and also brought to the club extraordinary transfer offers in order to leave! the Comparison betwewn them and Sterling is not so good. Furthermore the strategy cannot and will not change. This is what LFC has been doing the last 30 years this is what it will keep doing in the next 30 unless some new owner comes and buy the team like Man city, PSG, Chelsea....etc... which i hope it does NOT happen.i don't like the way those teams buy and sell.
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Get used to us never winning the Premier League then... Money wins title's barring the odd exceptional year from an underdog

I could not be happier if some flash billionaire wanted to splash the cash at Liverpool
 
ELNIN0 said:
The last time i checked sterling was playing as false 9 in rodgers new formation since sturridge is always out due to injuries. and even as a winger he does not have as many assists as he should!
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I agree, he's ****.
 
 
LFCMarshall said:
Get used to us never winning the Premier League then... Money wins title's barring the odd exceptional year from an underdog

I could not be happier if some flash billionaire wanted to splash the cash at Liverpool
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Unfortunately this is true! No matter how great is to win the league with hard work and smart moves e.g. the beautiful Atletico de Madrid last year! Money keep you in the top! Because your players will leave e.g. Diego costa etc and if you want to replace them with good ones you need to spend a lot of money or your performance will start declining. No matter how nice is to be an underdog and win it doesn't always happen. So yeah I think I agree with you I would like a new owner that would start spending loads of money and bring us back to the top
 
ELNIN0 said:
Torres and Suarez have too many Liverpool fans supporting them! They both helped us with their performance to touch the BPL title( finished 2nd two times one with Torres and one with Suarez) They both did incredible things with the club and also brought to the club extraordinary transfer offers in order to leave! the Comparison betwewn them and Sterling is not so good. Furthermore the strategy cannot and will not change. This is what LFC has been doing the last 30 years this is what it will keep doing in the next 30 unless some new owner comes and buy the team like Man city, PSG, Chelsea....etc... which i hope it does NOT happen.i don't like the way those teams buy and sell.
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The point is that both Torres and Suarez were sold too soon. Sure, in retrospect the Torres deal was fantastic for us, but there and then there weren't many Liverpool fans who wanted to see him go. Same with Suarez. And it's the same now with Sterling: If he's sold it's too early, but we'll get a nice fee. A nice fee which we will spend on new talents, and we keep doing the same thing over and over.

And that's the problem here: What has this strategy really done for us? Personally I like the idea, but it necessitates that we actually KEEP HOLD of the talents that do break through. If not, we're just a farmer club for the top teams. We can't expect to save money both on transfer fees and on wages. Those players WILL leave when they get a better offer. We can't expect every player to be a fan of the club like we are, and stay just because he likes the colour red and our pretty little song. So if this strategy is to do us any good, then we have to keep our up and coming players. That isn't to say we should throw money after Sterling and his agent, but if it's a matter of £10k, £20k or £30k per week? **** yes.
 
ELNIN0 said:
Unfortunately this is true! No matter how great is to win the league with hard work and smart moves e.g. the beautiful Atletico de Madrid last year! Money keep you in the top! Because your players will leave e.g. Diego costa etc and if you want to replace them with good ones you need to spend a lot of money or your performance will start declining. No matter how nice is to be an underdog and win it doesn't always happen. So yeah I think I agree with you I would like a new owner that would start spending loads of money and bring us back to the top
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Yeah look at Atletico this season, things what they achieved are a one off. Madrid and Barca will always dominate La Liga simply because they spend the most.
 
Theatreof Dreams said:
Is that what Rodgers said mate? If so I would be surprised if they let him leave for free! Oh just watching Rodgers presser now :)
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Yeah he also repeated how relaxed he was about it all. But I guess we all know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, it's like when the board of a club insists the manager has their full backing, and two days later he's sacked.
 
mersk said:
Yeah he also repeated how relaxed he was about it all. But I guess we all know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, it's like when the board of a club insists the manager has their full backing, and two days later he's sacked.
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Yeah true that! Does seem a bit knarky about it all though which is understandable. Longer it goes on the harder it will be imo. You?
 
mersk said:
The point is that both Torres and Suarez were sold too soon. And it's the same now with Sterling: If he's sold it's too early, but we'll get a nice fee. A nice fee which we will spend on new talents, and we keep doing the same thing over and over.

And that's the problem here: What has this strategy really done for us? Personally I like the idea, but it necessitates that we actually KEEP HOLD of the talents that do break through. If not, we're just a farmer club for the top teams. We can't expect to save money both on transfer fees and on wages. Those players WILL leave when they get a better offer. We can't expect every player to be a fan of the club like we are, and stay just because he likes the colour red and our pretty little song. So if this strategy is to do us any good, then we have to keep our up and coming players. That isn't to say we should throw money after Sterling and his agent, but if it's a matter of £10k, £20k or £30k per week? **** yes.
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Both those players were sold when we received 2 extraordinary offeres. 55m% for torres and around 75-80£ for Suarez i don't remember exactly. If we did not accept those offers i don't think we could get any higher than that. Both players left on the right time. At the peak of their value and their performance when we could get the highest amount of money for them. As far as Sterling raise. I think it is about keeping the balance in the team. You have to reward your best players but when they perform well. We cannot be blackmailed by sterling or any other player! we are Liverpool FC not Sterling FC if he does not like playing here then the door is open to leave! I think that the fans will support Rodgers and the team if they don't give him what he wants. Is about showing to everyone that nobody is above the team. Is about keeping the team together!Showing to everyone that you CANNOT DEMAND things just because you are one of the best young players and we need you. If he was Messi or Ronaldo yeah i would accept that for f£$%cks shake he is Sterling....Sterling who?what has he accomplished so far?when suarez was out last year sturridge kept us in the top with his goals. This year when Sturridge was out he did not do absuletely anything. I don't see why he deserves that wage and coutinho does not...Is about keeping the balance in the team....
 
ELNIN0 said:
Both those players were sold when we received 2 extraordinary offeres. 55m% for torres and around 75-80£ for Suarez i don't remember exactly. If we did not accept those offers i don't think we could get any higher than that. Both players left on the right time. At the peak of their value and their performance when we could get the highest amount of money for them. As far as Sterling raise. I think it is about keeping the balance in the team. You have to reward your best players but when they perform well. We cannot be blackmailed by sterling or any other player! we are Liverpool FC not Sterling FC if he does not like playing here then the door is open to leave! I think that the fans will support Rodgers and the team if they don't give him what he wants. Is about showing to everyone that nobody is above the team. Is about keeping the team together!Showing to everyone that you CANNOT DEMAND things just because you are one of the best young players and we need you. If he was Messi or Ronaldo yeah i would accept that for f£$%cks shake he is Sterling....Sterling who?what has he accomplished so far?when suarez was out last year sturridge kept us in the top with his goals. This year when Sturridge was out he did not do absuletely anything. I don't see why he deserves that wage and coutinho does not...Is about keeping the balance in the team....
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Yeah, 2 extraordinary offers, and what did we do with the money? We bought Carroll with the money from Torres, which can at best be regarded as a brainfart. With the money from Suarez, we bought talents. Not a single top player - the closest we get would be Lallana and Balotelli, and neither are world class. And as you say, they were at the peak of their value, Sterling most likely isn't.

"Balance in the team", "reward your best players", "cannot be blackmailed". Come on man, this is just jibberish. What balance are you talking about? The balance of never being able to keep your best players? The balance of being a farmer club? Who are the "best players" we are rewarding? Glen Johnson, who's on 3x the wages of Sterling? Borini who's on 2x? There should be no doubt at all that Sterling deserves a new contract, and it's not a matter of being blackmailed. Sterling is one of our best players already, at the age of 20. He's an international player, he won European Golden Boy, and only a fool would claim that Sterling has already reached his peak. He's only going to get better.

But sure, we could refuse his demands altogether and not even try to negotiate a deal, that'd be great. Just show the whole world that we refuse to be "blackmailed", that "nobody is above the team" and all that bullshit. Just realize that only Liverpool fans will interpret it like that. Everyone else will just think that there's no point in signing for Liverpool other than as a pit stop, because we don't make an effort to keep our best players and get better as a club to be able to win trophies.

Then we can blame Sterling afterwards for leaving. "What a moneygrabbing ****". But he's easily replacable, right? We can just find a new, top English talent, bring him in when he's 15 and sell him too when he's 20.

It all boils down to this: To become a top team, you can't keep selling your best players. And that's what we've been doing. If you wanna keep doing it, fine, but then don't expect to ever win anything besides the odd cup.
 
The big debate here has to be: Is Sterling really worth over £100k a week? I’m a huge Sterling fan, huge. I have been

since the day he put on a red shirt, but in the grand scheme of things, is he really worth that money? I’d probably go as

far as saying no more than £100k a week at the moment. I’d love Sterling to stay, and I think he will. But when you hear

£50 – 60 million floating around, it makes you think, is he worth that? For me, no. He’s not worth the stupidly high

wages, although we can afford them this year with letting go Gerrard, so it all depends on how you look at it. Sterling is

not your Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, and never actually will be. He is a brilliant talent but he will never be in that bracket of

quality for me. He is not world class, and never will be. The one thing I will say is great about the hype for Sterling in our

team, is it keeps Coutinho under the radar. Coutinho is almost world class already, if not. But you can see he will be one

day. Sterling lacks a brilliant first touch, consistent finishing, decision making, and a good delivery into the box. Yes he

has pace and dribbling, but a winger needs the other four attributes mentioned. I hope we keep him, but he is not as

good as we think.



Another thing. Everyone is fixated with this theory that if a player is good when he is 20, he will be one of the best when

he is in his late 20’s, this is wrong. Rooney is a prime example, he has got no better since he was 24-25, still a good

player, but definitely not better.
 
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mersk said:
Yeah, 2 extraordinary offers, and what did we do with the money? We bought Carroll with the money from Torres, which can at best be regarded as a brainfart. With the money from Suarez, we bought talents. Not a single top player - the closest we get would be Lallana and Balotelli, and neither are world class. And as you say, they were at the peak of their value, Sterling most likely isn't.

"Balance in the team", "reward your best players", "cannot be blackmailed". Come on man, this is just jibberish. What balance are you talking about? The balance of never being able to keep your best players? The balance of being a farmer club? Who are the "best players" we are rewarding? Glen Johnson, who's on 3x the wages of Sterling? Borini who's on 2x? There should be no doubt at all that Sterling deserves a new contract, and it's not a matter of being blackmailed. Sterling is one of our best players already, at the age of 20. He's an international player, he won European Golden Boy, and only a fool would claim that Sterling has already reached his peak. He's only going to get better.

But sure, we could refuse his demands altogether and not even try to negotiate a deal, that'd be great. Just show the whole world that we refuse to be "blackmailed", that "nobody is above the team" and all that bullshit. Just realize that only Liverpool fans will interpret it like that. Everyone else will just think that there's no point in signing for Liverpool other than as a pit stop, because we don't make an effort to keep our best players and get better as a club to be able to win trophies.

Then we can blame Sterling afterwards for leaving. "What a moneygrabbing ****". But he's easily replacable, right? We can just find a new, top English talent, bring him in when he's 15 and sell him too when he's 20.

It all boils down to this: To become a top team, you can't keep selling your best players. And that's what we've been doing. If you wanna keep doing it, fine, but then don't expect to ever win anything besides the odd cup.
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Agree with the statement you're making here, not selling our best players. But Sterling is replaceable, Suarez wasnt.
 
Theatreof Dreams said:
Is that what Rodgers said mate? If so I would be surprised if they let him leave for free! Oh just watching Rodgers presser now :)
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Obviously nobody knows the full extent, but it could simply be the media making a mountain out of a molehill (they have every right to because it is a story)

The summer will tell us either way and Rodgers seems very relaxed about the situation
 
I would love us to make a move for De Bryune, seems kind of impossible, but he's one player I could actually see being like Gerrard in our squad.
 
mersk said:
Yeah, 2 extraordinary offers, and what did we do with the money? We bought Carroll with the money from Torres,

It all boils down to this: To become a top team, you can't keep selling your best players. And that's what we've been doing. If you wanna keep doing it, fine, but then don't expect to ever win anything besides the odd cup.
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Totally agree with this. We do not have good scouters and when we find one good player we sell him and is hard of as to replace him soon enough. I don't believe that Sterling will stay to Liverpool for ever no matter how much we offer him when he will get older he will definitely go somewhere else! So the only way to grow as a team is to follow the Chelsea and Man City Model? Spend 100m every summer for 3-4 years until we create a good team? Sorry but there is a reason Liverpool is one of the teams with the most fans in the UK and that is not due to succes as a club but rather for its philosophy as club. And it also has way too many international supporters again because it does not sacrifice its values for money glory and success. And I tottaly support this! To be honest i would prefer the 100m this summer to have been spent better i don't agree with most of the transfers and would prefer to buy players like Reus, Kross etc but I understand why they do not do it. You can easily find a ticket to watch a Man city game but if you want to go at Anfield...good luck with that....
 
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